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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:09 PM
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Secret 9/11 Case Headed to Supreme Court
This is bizarre -- no record exists, except on the Supreme Court docket:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1030/p01s02-usju.html

Secret 9/11 case before high court

The justices consider a petition for a case with no public record.

MIAMI – It's the case that doesn't exist. Even though two different federal courts have conducted hearings and issued rulings, there has been no public record of any action. No documents are available. No files. No lawyer is allowed to speak about it. Period.
Yet this seemingly phantom case does exist - and is now headed to the US Supreme Court in what could produce a significant test of a question as old as the Star Chamber, abolished in 17th-century England: How far should a policy of total secrecy extend into a system of justice?

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:12 PM
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1. Posted this last night. Amazing isn't it? How can this be. We are not
supposed to have "secret" trials in this country. This is truly frightening.

Read up on the "Star Chamber". This has been done before.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:23 PM
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8. It's called the "Patriot Act". Byrd was the only one to...
...read it and truly understand how it could be totally abused in the hands of the wrong people. But Byrd still voted in favor of it, leaving the honor of being the only Senator to vote against it to Feingold.

This is a very sad and shameful chapter in American History.

We've not only allowed the country to be hijacked by the bogus election of 2000, but we've also given up our rights as citizens thanks to the Patriot Act.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:14 PM
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2. Absolutely outrageous!
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 11:15 PM by Minstrel Boy
"Despite the heavy secrecy, a brief docketing error led to a newspaper report identifying MKB by name in March. The report said MKB is an Algerian waiter in south Florida who was detained by immigration authorities and questioned by the FBI.

"MKB's legal status remains unclear, but it appears unlikely from court documents that he is connected in any way to terrorism. He has been free since March 2002 on a $10,000 bond.

...

"MKB v. Warden is the first indication that the Justice Department is extending its total secrecy policy to proceedings in federal courts dealing with habeas corpus - that is, an individual's right to force the government to justify his or her detention."

America, what the hell is happening to you?


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:17 PM
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4. Not America...Amerika
We forfeited the right to the "c" when we forfeitted our right to be truly free...

12-12-2000 The REAL day the World Changed

At least, due to the fact that the fish rots from the head down, the lives of us "little people" are still sufficiently "free" (withou a vote, a voice, or a Free Press, of course) to pretend everything's ok.

How long will it last? I don't know. I intend to cherish every last second of the time remaining.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:58 AM
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18. Transparent government has been discarded
by this administration.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:14 PM
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3. Well now--the transition to Imperial Totalitarian Amerika is speeding up
First, the shameless Soviet lying about GDP growth rates.

Now this.

And of course, as serf-subjects of the Bushevik Empire, who knows how much else going on?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:19 PM
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5. This Is Indeed Damned Odd, Ma'am
Justice can hardly be done under such circumstances.

Will there even be a report of the disposition of the case?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:21 PM
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6. I don't like this
Even though I have not been one of those who defended the terrorists here at DU I have problems with something like this. This is just too secret.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:31 PM
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9. You may like it even less when Ahmed in the next cubicle is led away

And one day the nice family that runs the filafel stand is just - gone.

I imagine many will feel some unease and discomfort, and as reports of what happens in the camps leaks out, all those who feel that vague unease can take note that those reports are from Al Jazeera, and therefore biased. That will make people feel a lot better, someone else will move into the cubicle, the filafel stand will be bought by a nice Russian lady selling pirogies, and it will be like it never happened.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:45 PM
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12. The Most Interesting Feature Of It, Mr. Jiacinto
Is that the fellow is out and about on a very low bond: there cannot be much of a charge against him to justify these extraordinary measures.

It is almost certain some titanic malefeasance lies behind this thing.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:00 AM
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14. Who the hell on DU ever "defended the terrorists"?
I challenge you to substantiate this.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:23 PM
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7. Will the "justices" wear black hoods with eyeholes or

will the "defendants" wear black hoods without?

Or both?
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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:33 PM
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10. POWER !!!!!!!
Time to take the power back RATM. The truth behind SEP 11 01 will never see the light of day . To many big people ? corps involved!:bounce:
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:36 PM
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11. This is the Secret society
Whats hillarious is why keep up the facade that we have a representative government

Its such a joke

:bounce:
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:49 AM
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13. kick
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:48 AM
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15. I wonder if the outcome will be secretly 5-4. nt.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:55 AM
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16. Oh brother...the Supremem Court? I'm sure there will be an unbiased
assessment there!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 10:58 AM
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17. This doesn't seem right
I know that Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist will probably do what the DoJ wants them to, but I somehow doubt that either Kennedy or O'Conner are going to jump on demand this time.
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