What the HELL is the DLC talking about?

[La_Serpiente]

OK, I go to the DLC Website once in a while to see what is "cookin'". What are they talking about? They are talking about "Progressive Multilateralism".

I am a multilateralist myself. However, not in the way they are proposing.

Here is what the shared about the left:

Too many on the left seem incapable of taking America's side in international disputes, reflexively oppose the use of force, and begrudge the resources required to keep our military strong. Viewing multilateralism as an end in itself, they lose sight of goals, such as fighting terrorism or ending gross human rights abuses, which sometimes require us to act -- if need be outside a sometimes ineffectual United Nations. And too many adopt an anti-globalization posture that would not only erode our own prosperity but also consign billions of the world's neediest people to grinding poverty. However troubling the Bush record, the pacifist and protectionist left offers no credible alternative.

I am not an isolationalist as they have claimed. However, I opposed the Iraqui war. I do not know who gave them the king's scepter of "Progressive Multilateralism" but they should just shut their trap.

And then they say this later.

Liberal democracy. Democrats believe that America should use its unparalleled power to defend our country and to shape a world in which the values of liberal democracy increasingly hold sway.

Isn't this exactly what Wolfowitz believes?

And I don't know why they are criticizing those on the left. More than 128 House Democrats voted against the War Resolution (with the help of Kucinich). Right there, they are alienating MORE THAN HALF OF THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE DELEGATION!!!! They are alienating THE CORE DEMOCRATS of the Democratic Party.

I don't know how they go around saying that they represent new ideas. To me, all they represent are a group of Conservative Democrats like Zell Miller.

Page 1 - Progressive Multilateralism

Page2 - Progressive Multilateralism

I have this feeling that this new foreign policy institute, Center for American Progress, is just another product of the DLC.

Center for American Progress

My views are more "ensync" with this new group.

Coalition for a Realistic Foreign Policy

[otohara]

1. It's Their Way of Saying

we hate Howard Dean....

[lcordero]

2. this is their idea of "multilateralism"

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Cards_Index.html

The link above shows how we have helped to shape the world.

The DLC thinks that the "use of force" is "internationalism".

Anti-globalization has also been adopted by needy countries. Globalization serves big biz and it ONLY serves big biz.

On edit: war is nothing but a vehicle for the rich to have the poor attack another country's poor.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

5. They follow the twisted mode of thought

in which beating up on other countries is "internationalism" and not beating up on other countries, especially not without allies, is "isolationism."

They're not very observant, since our "internationalism" has gotten us into more trouble than just about anything.

[rman]

10. foreign affairs = pre-emptive war

since diplomacy takes patience and compromise (and thus simply doesn't work, according to the neocons).

[w4rma]

3. Power doesn't neccessarily equal war, but I'm afraid that is likely what

the DLC means. Whoever writes the stuff that the DLC puts out needs to be more specific.

…
Liberal democracy. Democrats believe that America should use its unparalleled power to defend our country and to shape a world in which the values of liberal democracy increasingly hold sway.
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And on this quote. Is the DLC talking about Kucinich and Sharpton? This quote also seems to portray the whole left of the center as pacifist and protectionist, even though it may be refering to only the folks on the left who are pacifist and protectionist. Nonetheless, it seems to me that the DLC author doesn't care much about who is labeled with that broad brush, otherwise they would have been clearer.
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However troubling the Bush record, the pacifist and protectionist left offers no credible alternative.
…

These guys suck at explaining themselves, IMHO. Even credible moderate policy comes off as fake with these guys.

[ulysses]

11. don't hold your breath.

Whoever writes the stuff that the DLC puts out needs to be more specific.

They suck at explaining themselves because that's how they prefer it - a platitude here, an innuendo there, veiled predictions of doom concerning "activist elites" over there. Beware the organization that won't speak plainly about its agenda!

[Zorra]

4. YUK!

It seems like the DLC is finally admitting that it is a front organization for the WTO.

Empire seeking imperialists.

:dem:Kucinich

[fabius]

6. DLC = Neocons in the making

Too many on the left seem incapable of taking America's side in international disputes, reflexively oppose the use of force, and begrudge the resources required to keep our military strong.
I've seen the Repuglians set up this straw man argument about the left, but why does the DLC have to do it? Who are they talking about? Gore Vidal? Barbra Streisand? Gimme a break.

And too many adopt an anti-globalization posture that would not only erode our own prosperity but also consign billions of the world's neediest people to grinding poverty. However troubling the Bush record, the pacifist and protectionist left offers no credible alternative.Man these people might as well be on the Bush payroll. So tell me that globalization hasn't "consigned billions of the world's neediest people to grinding poverty"

Why is it that people who opposed the Iraq war, or preferred to defer it until we could get some allies, are "pacifist and isolationist?" :puke:

DLC Sucks. Big time. If they maintain control of the party it's time to give up the charade and go Green.

[rman]

9. i'd say Neocons in disguise,

Democrats In Name Only

[Resistance Is Futile]

7. What the DLC is talking about

Surrender all policy to PNAC.

[Iverson]

8. ain't no mystery atall

"And I don't know why they are criticizing those on the left."

That's why the DLC was formed. You cannot curry favor with corporate donors unless you distance yourself from those godless commies.

In fact, shame on you for actually reading the article. You were supposed to stop at the title "Progressive Mulilateralism" and, as with a Mountain Dew commercial, look no further than the surface in order to grant your assent.

OK, let's suppose you're one of those weirdo intellectuals who actually reads things. That bit about shaping the world is as Amurican as apple pie. Haven't you ever heard of manifest destiny? These days the vehicles are GATT, IMF, WTO, etc., and we'll defend Amurica's prosperity no matter how many darker folk in distant lands we need to grind into the dirt.

I mean, get with the program, dude. Whatever! LOL!!

:bounce:

[Michael Harrington]

12. Jesse said it best:

Democratic Leisure Club

[mmonk]

13. The neocon movement

originally came from the left. Whatever happened to democratic republic? The US became the greatest most influencial country using that model. What was wrong with those concepts?