The Freepers are straining their leashes -- can't wait for the Empire

[tom_paine]

to be fully under the thumb of their Bushevik Masters.

Read this:

http://www.progressive.org/mcwatch03/mc102903.html

My God, what will it be like in twenty years when the Busheviks have finsihed their purges of local law enforcement top match their military and FBI/CIA purges?

What will happen as the Imperial Senate goes bankrupt, and the only effective government left is the Imperial Shadow Government, which will rule the localities directy through the Citizen Corps Councils (it it truly just a coincidence that these organizations are called the 'CCC'?)

What will it be like when Freeper Brownshirts have the impunity that Mississippians had in the 30s and 40s to murder African-Americans?

I pray that I am wrong, but history tells another story for nations that have played with "Adolf's Bonfire" of dehumanization and demonization.

It wans't so long ago that in most of the country whites could intimidate and murder African-Americans without fear of investigation or prosecution? How long until the circle closes back again, with the added benefit that "liberals" will also be included on this list of people it's ok to beat and kill?

I pray I am wrong. But I have read my history and the outlook is not promising. Don't be caught by surprise when this happens.

[Loonman]

1. I'll be able to live my dream

Bagging freeps.

I'm not afraid to employ a method that involves psychology and extreme violence on those sick fucks.

Keep your powder dry.

[atreides1]

8. Not A Dream, But May Be Neccessary

While it's not a dream of mine, I will follow the inspiration of General Patton:

"No SOB ever won a war by dying for their country, they won it by
making the other poor SOB die for theirs."

If it comes to this then all bets are off, and the total eradication of collaborators of the empire along with their families, will have
to occur.

It's better to get them before they get us.

[piece sine]

24. gee..how many family members do you guess you'll kill?

Only Mom and Dad? Maybe decapitate a few of the kids? Rape a freeper lass or two before slitting their throats? Where does the HATE end?

Yet, somethere on this site, somewhere, a DUer is agast at the disgusting threads found a FreeRepublic. This is exactly the same thing.

[tom_paine]

25. I agree piece sine

I wasn't even goignt o dignify that with a response, but since you bring it up...I wholly agree.

And you don't even have to go far to find that DUer aghast.

I am right here. Unfortunately, having read dozens (literally) messages on Freak ReBushevik lovingly fantasizing about murdering liberals, combined with the article I posted at the start of this thread (and others I didn't psit when they happened) , is what makes me believe that we may be forced into this situation one day.

But I have to admit, some of these posts disturbingly mirror the shit found on nazistormtrooper.com

What else can I say, piece sine, but that I wholeheartedly agree and that atreidies is WRONG WRONG MOST HORRIBLY WRONG!

[piece sine]

26. Thanks Ton Paine....

Fer-real....I got spooked at little while ago. Sure, I surf the Freeper and Lucianne sites once in a while and I get freaked-out! But it's always them and not us. When it's "us" then I feel I have no place else to go.

I've read all your posts here and the context is intellectually intersting. The worst of the worst post on the Freeper sites. Working in DC (in Dem. politics, media and law) I have labored cheek by jowl with Repubs. my whole professional lives. Do we argue all the time about everything? You bet! Do they want to kill me? NO! DO I want to kill them? NO!

A wonderful differentiator between DU and Freeperland is LOST when any DU speaks glowingly of killing our adversaries. Like Marvin Gaye sang: "Makes me wana holler; throw-up both my hands."

[tom_paine]

28. What is most frightening to me is the way the Freeper mentality

is infiltrating tha Mainstream Republican Party. In truth, this has been going on since OxycontinRush first picked up his mike.

Now you have Annthrx Coulter saying things in which you switch the word "Jew" for "Liberal" and "Germany" for Amerika and you get an almost verbatim Goebbels speech, including suggested that liberals should be killed, to the claps and cheers of Smokin' Gamblin' Bill Bennet, Lynne Cheney, and otehr Mainsteram Bushevik Luminaries.

Very chilling indeed.

As has been pointed out on this thread, the Busheviks now routinely call us Rats. Just as the Nazis called the Jews.

"Adolf builds a bonfire, Rush Limbaugh plays with it..."

[tom_paine]

10. You are the first person I've ever heard of on DU fantasize

about killing Freeps.

Contrast that to the nearly daily peans and odes to the days when they will be kill us over at nazistortrooper.com and it becomes even clearer what will occur.

I don't fantasize about bagging Freeps, but after seeing just how many of them dream about the day when they can do so to us, I fell a certain inevitablility about the whole thing.

Well, that and the fact that I've read my history.

[Loonman]

13. Better to die on your feet

Than live on your knees.

Better not to die at all, but the time of turning the other cheek with these animals have long gone by. I'm not de-humanizing them, because they surrendered any trace of their humanity during the Clinton years.


...and I'm not saying anything they have not said before, about us.



There were other folks who called people "rats". They were the Nazis.

[tom_paine]

16. You're right about the Nazis calling the Jews "rats".

Yet another disturbing similarity I didn't consider to add to a very long list.

Here's one for you:

Tell me these aren't in the EXACT SAME FAMILY OF SLUR TYPES:

Turning "Democratic Lawyer" into "Democrat Lawyer"
Turning "Jewish lawyer" into "Jew Lawyer"

The particular words are different. The slurs are identical, using a noun where and adjective should be...

Just one for your list you might not have thought of, loonman.

[Fish Eye]

17. ah another civil war

that should be sooooo much fun.

[theivoryqueen]

2. In every fundamentalist or extremist driven coup

the first people executed are the educated, educators and liberals. That's the norm...

Let's hope it doesn't come to that!!!!

[La_Serpiente]

3. I have a feeling

that there is going to be a social and political earthquake here within the next few years.

[RummyTheDummy]

5. I agree.....

The pot is simmering isn't it? Frankly, it's just what this country needs.

[tom_paine]

14. No it's not just what the country needs

I could very easily and very happily liveunder the peace and prosperity of the Old American Republic for the rest of my life.

I have no desire for what is to come, I just can see it building.

Once the Busheviks embraced the Nazi Propganda tactics, they increased the likelihood by an order of magnitude.

Again I say: I hope and pray that I will be WRONG!

This is most emphatically NOT what this country needs!

[Vogon_Glory]

15. I Agree With La Serpiente

I agree with La Serpiente. I think that after the effects of Dubya's and the GOP's social, economic, and fiscal policies hit the dumbed-down electors who either sat out the election or unthinkingly voted Republican, there is going to be the sort of political uproar that has swept through Latin America. Even your dumbest, knee-jerking FREEP starts to think about what's real and what's not when he or she is shivering and hungry in the dark in their cardboard-lined quarters in shantytown, especially while listening to their hungry children crying.

Personally, I expect that what will happen in the USA will most strongly resemble what has been happening in Argentina since the Junta was kicked out--massive strikes, political demonstration, near-riots, and intense rage.

We may have the sorts of shootings and police actions that the US hasn't seen since the 1890's (Which made the 1930s look tame indeed).

[el_gato]

4. of course the anti-gun types would have us all disarm

[leesa]

9. Don't fall for the BS of Republicans wanting your gun rights protected

The NRA...a RW group was made to make available a list of gun owners to the fascists.

The"anti-gun" types are usually mis-represented. They usually do not want guns removed. That is the propaganda put out by the RNC to keep it a voting issue. Do you truly belive these fascists will allow you to keep your guns?? In their model Democracy in Iraq, one of their first decisions was to take away their guns.

[el_gato]

11. i agree with you

NRA sucks

and asscroft would love to take every gun away if he could
but it's too politically difficult for them right now
but it would be their first move when imposing martial law

NRA supporters are fools

[Bandit]

12. Americans just love violence don't they?

America has to be the most violent nation on earth and we glory in it.

[Fish Eye]

18. what anti gun types

are you talking about??

[el_gato]

19. Mr. Benchley for one

there are others here as well

[knight_of_the_star]

27. I don't care!

I still have my sword!

[theivoryqueen]

6. Is this scary talk for Halloween??

Usually I am in complete agreement with DU posters, but gotta take a powder on this one. I don't think any violent change will occur - too much effort, too much blood. Easier to wear away at social change - like water on rock. Maybe it's the Boo-day efffect - or solar flares, but folks here seem a little extreme today!

[tom_paine]

20. No, ivoryqueen, the scary part is people getting their house burned down

for displaying a sign.

[theivoryqueen]

21. when did that happen?

I must have missed it - unless you are referring to racially motivated hate crimes?

[tom_paine]

22. Click on the link I provided at the top of this thread, my dear.

This sort of thing is happening all over the nation, from cars being keyed for their bumper stickers, to more severe incidents like this one.

It is still not widespread yet (Thank God).

[phishhead]

7. Thats just depressing as hell..

n/t

[Clete]

23. Scary.

I am reading "Mein Kampf" again. These are Hitler's ideas.

[IrateCitizen]

29. Today I saw a little old lady walking through Midtown Manhattan...

with a "Dennis Kucinich for President" button on her coat and, more impressively, a button on her hat that said, "Don't Like Free Speech? Leave."

If this little old lady can still walk the streets making such a statement, we're still OK. Cowards and bullies have always been among us, and they always will. The important thing to remember is that it is the responsibility of each and every one of us to oppose the tactics of bullies and cowards -- clearly and loudly.

This is one part of the article that does actually still give me hope, that we can get back to a society in which we are free to disagree but do so respectful of each other as human beings.

On October 22, the Daily News-Record, which is a conservative paper, wrote a strong editorial entitled "Arson Assault." It said: "The arson at the home of an anti-war Harrisonburg couple was outrageous and must be condemned not only by those who believe in the First Amendment, but also by all those who believe in decency and humanity. The harassment of the Harrisonburg couple was appalling. . . . Violence and vandalism used to intimidate are not only criminal and cowardly, but profoundly un-American."

I'm not saying that everything is all hunky-dory. I just don't know if it's gotten quite as bad as you may think it is. But, then again, it's the responsibility of all of us to make sure it doesn't get any worse.

[tom_paine]

31. I never said it was that bad YET, IC

I'm glad that old lady felt safe in midtown Manhattan. You think she'd be ok in Dallas, TX...Forsythe County, GA, Philadelphia Mississippi? By the time people are scared to speak out in Midtown Manhattan, arguably one of the most tolerant places on Earth, it will be far far too late to do anything about anything.

I said these are the precursors to, as JanMichael calls it below, the "descent into reichwing barabrism".

I also said I didn't think it would get that bad for a couple decades, and I think there are more than a few here who would think me a starry-eyed optimist for saying so.

You are absolutely right regarding the message of hope in the vigil staged by their neighbors.

That is the Old American Republic peeking through...the character displayed by the neighbors. THAT is our only hope. That Americans won't go where the Busheviks lead.

But the Nazis showed what a truly barabric minority can "accomplish" in turning the rest of the nation to their will.

And I see more and more of that and less and less of the Old American Character as time goes by. The whole giant megaphonic infrastructure of the Right-Wing Sub-Media and the rest of their Attackj Machine that I choose to call Goebbels v2.0 is psychoengineered (as Goebbels v1.0 was also, but with far less technological/psychological progress and sophistication) to grow and grow and grow numbers.

once someone is infected with the "Freeper mentality", they can never go back. Their critical thinking skills are eradicated, along with the ability to question their Masters' Pronouncements and to receive information from anything other than Party Loyal Sub-Media.

Like a virus, Goebbels v2.0 irrevocably alters forever that which it infects, and sets the stage for further infection. When you consider that Corporate TV Pravda has become something of a Totalitarian Megaphone of Gobbels v2.0, it's not surprising that their ranks are growing.

Like Goebbels v1.0, it is not something that, once it reaches critical mass, can be stopped.

And while a sizeable majority of Amerikans still believe Violence and vandalism used to intimidate are not only criminal and cowardly, but profoundly un-American. do you think after 20 more years of Goebbels v2.0 dominating the airwaves, after LIHOP #2 and #3, after full implementation of the PATRIOT and VICTORY Acts, after people begin literally rebelling, after the older generation dies off and more people who can't even remember what the Old American Republic was like come to power...do you still think that will be the dominant ethic?

I just don't know myself.

I just don't know.

[IrateCitizen]

32. Look again, tom_paine. I cited the conservative paper's editorial.

That was a conservative paper publicly denouncing the tactics of bullying cowardice exhibited by whoever it was that set the fire.

Things have been worse in this country before than they are now. I realized that after reading Emma Goldman's autobiography, Living My Life. Do you realize that Goldman would be arrested on site just for attempting to give a speech? Do you realize that a US soldier was once court martialed and imprisoned for just shaking her hand after a speech? Or what about Eugene Debs being sentenced to prison for giving a speech in which he encouraged people to resist the draft?

While I hardly believe that we are living in an age where free speech is as widely accepted as it might have been five years ago, I also realize that things have been worse in the past. Palmer Raids and so forth.

While what you are presenting is one POSSIBLE outcome, there is also another. More and more "moderates" (and by that, I'm referring to moderate Republicans as well as Democrats) begin to see the realities of the disastrous policies pushed by the brownshirted Hannitys, Limbaughs and Coulters of the world. More and more of them realize that the belligerence and insensitivity of their ways are just pure insanity. The right wing is marginalized as a bunch of crazy kooks, and the pendulum swings back. They are done in by their own barbarism, and their hate devours them in the end.

I'm not saying that the future is necessarily bright and rosy. I'm just saying that it might not be as dark and dismal as like to make it out to be, with talk of "Goebbels v2.0" and such. :shrug:

[tom_paine]

34. I pray you are correct. Sorry to be so gloomy.

You are absolutely right about previous eras in history. In spite of the truth of that statement, something is different here, though that's just my opinion.

I'm just calling it like I see it.

And as you said, this is only one possible outcome.

2004 will be very telling. How can the moderates swing the pendulum back if the voting systems are hopelessly rigged.

Once that becomes clear then you will start to see some real tension.

[JanMichael]

33. You could have at least corrected my mis-spelled words!

"Barbarism" dammit:evilgrin:

BTW I'm one that thinks that you're a "starry-eyed optimist".

It won't take decades (PS~ Hopefully it'll just NEVER happen...).

One or two big events, combined with a willingness to "end" the game, and it's on our doorstep.

A heartbeat away.

[JanMichael]

30. I won't be surprised at all.

Nor will I sit back and take it like a good lil' victim either.

I'm almost certain of the bad outcome...If only by self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think it's about time to start really considering what our response will be and how we'll deal with the meltdown into reichwing barbarism.