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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:59 PM
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NYRoB piece on Clark.
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 07:00 PM by BillyBunter
Tremendous amount of information, with interviews from military and civilian sources not quoted elsewhere in the media on Clark. Covers Pristina, Shelton's 'character' remark, and more.


Clark haters should read this (not that it's likely to make an impact), as should Clark supporters.


Wesley Clark, for all his fame, is the least known of the major candidates. He is a complex man, intense and often tightly wound. He can also be relaxed and humorous. He is a talented mimic who can mock his own performance in the debates. He is capable of apologizing for the slightest discourtesy without being prompted, a rarity among politicians and part of his considerable charm. He is known to be exceptionally intelligent—he was first in his class at West Point and a Rhodes Scholar—but he is clearly aware that he has a lot to learn in his campaign. He's shown that he can change his mind. For example, he at first resisted turning back his fees for already booked speeches at three universities after he launched his campaign and after The Washington Post said they might be illegal under the campaign finance law. His campaign lawyer had advised him that the fees were legal, and his inclination was to seek a ruling from the Federal Election Commission. But when he was told that the FEC is dominated by Republicans, and that the administration might unleash the Justice Department to tie up his campaign, as it did John Edwards's over an allegedly questionable contribution, he reversed himself and put out a statement saying that he would return the funds and cancel all the other paid speaking arrangements that had been booked before the campaign.

Clark can be brash, he can be flip. He is also a highly ambitious man— otherwise he wouldn't have become a four-star general. Out of a military force of about 1.5 million, and an officer corps of about 230,000, there are, by statutory limit, only thirty-five four-star generals. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, like Clark a veteran of Vietnam, told me, "To become a four-star general you have to get through a very tight screen."


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According to three former Clinton aides, when Clinton approved the list of appointments submitted to him by Cohen, including the selection of General Joseph W. Ralston as the new commander of the NATO forces, it wasn't made clear to the President that this would cut Clark's term as the supreme commander by nearly three months. (Of this, Clinton later said at a press conference in Europe, "I had nothing to do with it.") Despite having been treated badly, Clark continued to serve for the following nine months. Clinton was reportedly furious when he realized the mistake that had been made, but he didn't want to go back on it lest he look indecisive, or further alienate military officials, with whom he had been on bad terms since the beginning of his presidency.

To make sure that Clark's dismissal was a fait accompli, the Pentagon immediately leaked the news that he had been fired, thus denying him the dignity of being allowed to announce his own retirement. Several members of the Clinton administration believe that Clark was treated in an extremely unfair, even cruel, manner. This treatment continues. Cohen, who had originally declined to comment, said on CNN on October 15 that "there was friction between General Clark and myself. And, frankly, I think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on his political aspirations. I made a judgment during the time that he was serving as head of NATO, SACEUR. And I felt that the ax, as such, when it fell, spoke for itself."



http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16795


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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:08 PM
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1. The Author Also Had a Kick-Ass Appearance on CNN Today
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 07:12 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:08 PM
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2. Cohen was then, and still is a cry baby
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:58 PM
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6. Cohen is a piece of low life...
you know what.

So is Shelton.


They cut Clark's throat, now it's payback time.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:06 PM
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7. They Are Divas... And HATE To Be Upstaged
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 08:27 PM by cryingshame
Especially by an intellignet, Liberal leaning guy who enabled a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT succeed in a military campaign.

Only Republican Presidents, you see, are allowed military victories.

Besides, the PNAC plan WANTED there to be chaos in the Balkans. How dare Clinton and NATO intervene.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:07 PM
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8. I can't wait until he is CIC
and cans all the a**holes in the military
that tried to f*** him up.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:28 PM
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14. Somehow, I Don't Think That Would Happen
But it will be interesting to see.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:30 PM
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3. All this substance, on things people
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 07:56 PM by BillyBunter
have been slinging mud about for months, and I have to bump this back up. Some people here won't deign to read this, but they'll continue making the same claims they always did, even though Drew does a good job in exposing the petty and specious motivations behind some of the anti-Clark charges.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:45 PM
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4. Thanks for the post
All us undecideds need all the info we can get to help us make up our minds! :think:

(hee hee...I read the link even though I am not a Clark hater or supporter! :))
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:57 PM
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5. The article is real journalism...
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 07:57 PM by familydoctor
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16795


It blows the lid on the smear campaign.

We are taking the White House back and Clark is our vanguard.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:13 PM
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11. About Damn time!
Maybe they got the deluge of information I sent about Ralston and Cohen to every news organization I could locate. I am interested in how the Mediawhore pundits are going to take the news. They had been ignoring Clark for the last 21/2 weeks hoping that he would disappear.....even said so. Bunch of Animals, trying to deny me of The President I was promised as a kid! One who loves America without dividing it up into two parts....
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:08 PM
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9. I wish Clark had his Blackberry in his hand in that picture...
instead of a marker.

He is so wired.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:11 PM
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10. Excerpts from this article should be made
Excerpts from this article should be made and then
sent to each reporter who writes a smear story.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:23 PM
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12. The excerpts shall be used....
take it from a excerpt sender to those who attempt to smear a genuine American Hero!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:25 PM
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13. Clark- Close Deficit With Base Closings!
"I asked Clark how he would pay for these programs when there is already a budget deficit of $450 billion.

-not only repeal the tax cuts for the well-to-do
-reform the tax code by eliminating loopholes that amount to tax subsidies for corporations
-set up a bipartisan commission to recommend such changes, as is now done for base closings.

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:31 PM
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15. Elizabeth Drew--a actual reporter!
Thanks for finding this; I would have missed it otherwise. Drew is someone who has consistantly proven what it means to be an investigative reporter. I'll be sending a copy to Eric Westervelt. The prick won't write back to me.

Cohen (R) was much worse than a cry baby...he accepted a post in a Democratic administration to act as a mole. Phewtewee! Now he shills for defense contractors and continues to support thugs in high places. Reserving room #826 in lowest regions of Hell would seem to kind a gesture.

Write to the embedded Westervelt!

http://www.npr.org/about/people/bios/ewestervelt.html



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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 02:48 AM
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16. Damn good piece.
I'm liking Clark better every day.

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 02:54 AM
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17. I liked what she said to Judy Woodruff on CNN this afternoon,
re: the Shelton remark. She said that when Shelton said that Clark was removed as head of NATO due to "character issues" and when questioned about what those issues were, Shelton declined to answer. She said, "That's a smear." And she was right. This is a great informative article.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:53 AM
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18. What good press from a great place!
This campaign has had a hard go of it, but looks like were on the right path. It will get better. The candidate Clark really sells himself!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 07:39 AM
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19. rise and shine!
Edited on Sat Nov-01-03 07:42 AM by familydoctor
:kick:
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