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doubles (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:10 AM Original message |
Should permanent residents (green card holders) be allowed to vote? |
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La_Serpiente (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. I they are allowed to vote |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 05:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. no |
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ithacan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
36. in Sweden, also proposal for this in Japan |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Agree |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. A greencard is not citizenship. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Then you would agree that the draft should not apply |
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doubles (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. "Whatever happened to no taxation without representation?" |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. As I point out below |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Interestingly, citizen = voting not true when country founded. |
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Nazgul35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. Before the progressive reforms... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. No. Only citizens should be able to vote. |
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kixot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Interesting points. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. YEARS of bureaucratic red tape at BICE(aka INS) is usually the answer. n/t |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. Anyone who lives here should be able to vote |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. So someone visits on election day... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No, they don't live here, and I wasn't referring to sales tax but income & |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So if someone pays no income tax |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. No |
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doubles (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Of course not, but people who live here permanently, can fight for |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. They ARE representated |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Do you honestly think.. |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Depends on your district |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Good point, they probably don't care... |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Why does becoming |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Not everyone living in the US |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Being a dual citizen |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Well, I'll have to get back to you.. |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. From |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. We were there from '94-'98. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. Are you going to try to sell this to Joe & Jane Average? n/t |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. We don't need to. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
11. they should be allowed to become citizens, then vote |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
18. If an individual is a citizen, they have the right to vote... |
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Fall_No_Further (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
19. Should any government service be restricted by citizenship? |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. They are entitled |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. Negative |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
23. In local elections, yes. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
24. No! |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. That was emphatic |
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Fall_No_Further (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Not talking about practicality, but... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Every nation |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. "Deserved far more..." |
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Fall_No_Further (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Nothing. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Accidental duplicate. Sorry. n/t |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
34. No! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
35. No |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
38. Taxation without representation |
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TAH6988 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 09:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Sigh |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 11:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. They are represented in the same way the Iraqis are in the "gov council" |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Sorry...didn't know DC had copyrighted that chestnut |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
46. How about the "Starship Troopers" approach? |
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hussar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
47. Permanent resident here |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. no dual citizenship |
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hussar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Guess I'll stay with what I've got then |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I'm also a permanent resident.. |
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hussar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I agree about the God thing |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I'm too old and I'm a woman |
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hussar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Thanks |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 02:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I think British education is worse than in the US.. |
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hussar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 02:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I actually think education is better in Britain |
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VLC98 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 04:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I hope things improve for you. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
58. Residents were allowed to vote in US until early 20th century... |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. Only if they promise to vote for all Democrats! |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 02:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Sounds like a good compromise to me |
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_Jumper_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
65. Yes |
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Undemcided (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-03 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. No |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-03 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
67. Well, here's a question |
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Robin Hood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-03 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
68. If you pay taxes, |
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