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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:02 PM
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The Media, The GOP and Wesley Clark - Article by D. Potvin
This is for those who don't believe that the corporate media is manipulating the entire Presidential Election.

THE SWEET MYTH By David Potvin
That a free press exists....

The incestuous relationship between the GOP and the corporate media serves to subvert democracy by providing the public with narratives that are designed to ensure the desired electoral result. One unified message currently under development posits that former General Wesley Clark is morally and psychologically unfit to be president of the United States. During the last few weeks, the mainstream media has repeatedly libeled Clark as a liar and derided the general for being a pompous egotist whose all-consuming ambition has left him contemptibly out of touch with reality.

It was inevitable that the major broadcast and print outlets would target Clark for the journalistic equivalent of the Rodney King treatment. The arrival of a Democratic military hero on the political scene has created a serious problem for George W. Bush, and therefore has created a serious problem for the multinational communications conglomerates that are dependent on Bush for government largesse.
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The presence of General Clark on the Democratic ticket would jeopardize Bush’s political survival. Clark has already proven to be a credible authority on defense matters who is extremely persuasive in placing the blame for the events of September 11, 2001 directly where it belongs – on the commander-in-chief. As Washington political analyst Charlie Cook said just after Clark announced his candidacy, "For the White House, it is particularly important that Clark's credibility be impeached as soon as possible." In order to ensure that Bush maintains the ability to continue to transfer public wealth to the communications industry, America’s corporate media has recently begun the essential task at hand: the destruction of Wesley Clark.

Bill Clinton and Al Gore are men of substance whom the mainstream media could not subdue by reporting facts, so the men were slimed beyond recognition using rumor, innuendo, and outright lies. Clark’s impressive personal and professional background has also left America’s journalists without the necessary ammunition to damage him by telling the truth. That has not proven to be a deterrent. Clark announced his presidential candidacy less than two months ago, but the negative storyline is already forming and will soon dominate the coverage.

The first line of attack against the general is that he is “mentally unfit” to lead America. The Washington Post is initially assuming the lead role in discrediting Clark, and its resident presidential briefing book thief, George F. Will, has labeled Clark “deranged”. Mr. Will contends Clark accused the White House of a conspiracy to knock him off CNN, a charge that Will presents as proof that the general is a lunatic. Clark never actually made any such accusation, but that fact is subservient to the bigger picture: the Post pays Will a lot of money to help shape the national political debate in a way that best enhances the corporation’s bottom line.

That is precisely what the columnist was doing by beginning the process of demonizing Clark. Will’s false allegation was designed to get the media ball rolling on the “Clark Bays At The Moon” storyline, and it worked. His assertion that Clark’s sanity should be an issue has been picked up by Fox News and some of the television pundits. If the 2000 campaign serves as a precedent, they will soon be joined in questioning the general’s mental health by ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the other major media outlets.

Will’s fable has already become a staple of openly Republican talk radio, that sleazy netherworld of fictive ranting which was an accurate leading indicator of the blatantly absurd media attacks launched against Clinton and Gore. The cesspool that is conservative talk radio may be at the low end of the media food chain, but it is vitally important in amplifying storylines. Ominously for Clark, the mantra being chanted on talk radio is: “Some people have voiced concern about the general’s mental stability.”
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The second dimension of the press assault on Clark tars him as being “dishonest”. In a reprise of the smearing of Gore, the Washington Post printed this statement that was syndicated across America: "There are an awful lot of people," said a retired four-star general, "who believe Wes will tell anybody what they want to hear and tell somebody the exact opposite five minutes later." This is a classic example of using innuendo to assail someone’s honor without the slightest shred of proof. It is not journalism – it is calumny, but that doesn’t matter to the Post, which knows it must alter the truth to enhance the storyline.

One of America’s highest profile journalists is currently straining mightily to popularize the charge that Clark is dishonest. The chief political correspondent of the Washington Post Company’s Newsweek magazine is Howard Fineman, who wrote in September that Clark said he would have become a Republican “if only Karl Rove had returned my calls.” Fineman’s objective, reliable sources for this devastating proof that Clark is a rank opportunist were Bill Owens and Marc Holtzman. Owens is the reactionary Republican governor of Colorado. Holtzman is a former member of Owens’ cabinet.
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This squalor is what passes for journalism in present-day America. It could be dismissed as superhuman incompetence if only the quid pro quo were not so unavoidably obvious: huge taxpayer-subsidized profits for the media giants in exchange for Republican control of what Americans get to see and hear. Such expediency is a perversion of the system Madison and Jefferson had in mind when they insisted a free press must thrive in order to maintain the well-informed electorate that is essential to a properly functioning democracy.

For all practical purposes, freedom of the press in America is a comforting myth. The vast majority of citizens make political decisions based on false information received from corporate news organizations that are loath to report anything that alienates the Republicans who control the industry’s future. Raging against this corporate amorality by calling it cowardice misses the essential point: it is commerce. Corporations ultimately do not care about politics or journalism – they care about money.




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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:03 PM
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1. Sorry, here's the URL for the article
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:32 PM
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5. and don't forget same sentiments in this piece....
But aimed more at the fact that other candidates are being "served up".....
http://www.arktimes.com/max/110703brantley.html
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:05 PM
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2. Bill Clinton needs to go to bat for him
It won't stop the RW hate machine, but it'll clear some things in the minds of doubtful democrats.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:14 PM
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3. I think that it's a matter of time....
Already the union leader of the AFSCME was kind to Clark in that he acknowledges, in his own way, that Clark is a formidable opponent. They were actually more interested in him than they were in Dean. However, Clark's young campaign could not give them what they wanted.

But the word is out that Clark is a force to be reckoned with.

The unions are shooting themselves in the Head, and will end up deserving whatever the results yield.

If Dean wins the nom, his chances to lose in November are good.
If Clark wins the nom, the unions picked wrong, again.

If Dean wins in November, then we all win.....but I don't see it..less we forget, the media whores have a plan of their own....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:15 PM
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4. The unions will support the nominee n/t
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Cat M. Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:12 PM
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9. Media Bias
I think the media bias goes further than this article indicates. I read that the owner of the Washington Post is affiliated with a company that sells testing material and that thanks to "No Child Left Behind," they have recorded record profits. Therefore they have a financial incentive to seeing Bush remain in office. (I can't find the exact article, I apologize, because I want to be sure I'm quoting it accurately. So I'm hunting for it.)

Also, all these media moguls are interested in media expansion and stand to benefit by the new FCC rules on ownership, which Bush supports and which a democratic president probably will not.

Rupert Murdoch is one of the people who testified to congress in support of the new FCC rules. I believe he wants to get into radio? And Clear Channel wants to spread out to other media.

More than one Republican has gone on record as saying Dean is the man they want because they believe Bush will beat him easily. The New York Times reported that "operatives" (whether they were republicans or from democratic campaigns was not specified) are in Vermont all the time poring over every written record they can get from Dean's tenure in Vermont and every speech, appearance, and newspaper article they can obtain. Yet virtually no arrows have been fired at Dean from the republicans. Why? It's not because there aren't any. It's because they are taking it easy on him. They want him elected. Some have become so confident now that he will get the nomination that they are coming out and admitting this is their objective, such as Safire who has an editorial in the New York Times admitting as much and said the same thing on a recent show on CNBC. Tucker Carlson was known to wear a pin in support of Dean yet today said he was unelectable. Karl Rove was reported to be egging others to cheer for Dean in a 4th of July parade and said "he's the guy we want." Republicans all over the place are talking Dean up and talking Clark down.

So how do we counter this? I'm not sure, unless we can find a way to do something that gets media attention. Obviously writing isn't enough. We need someone important to take up the cause (as Al Franken did in Lying Liars, although too late to save Gore) or perhaps we need to protest. Would CNN cover a protest outside of MSNBC accusing the media of unfair coverage? I'm not sure.

It's very frustrating, because individually we are small voices and we rely on the media to be heard. But these media conglomerates are huge and are determined not to listen to us as they pursue their own agenda.

Clark hardly got to be a four-star general and head of NATO by being a nutcase. Any fool should be able to see that. And the republican party is hardly one to question someone's honesty, since Bush & Co. have recited a litany of lies and continue to do so.

If anyone has any ideas on how to counter this, I'm all ears.
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:51 PM
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20. for starters
What comes to mind for me is, contact Clark's campaign headquarters, fill them in on this article and suggest this be the strategy too get folks reved up for Clark. They have the funds and know the inside of the biz alot better then we do, at least its a start.

If they hear this from enough of us it will start sinking in. I say this because i personally contacted his headquarters to let them know about CNN's ( Crooked News Network) famous editing job of "Rock the Vote", the person taking the call had no idea that had happened and was excited to get the info to 1 of his superiors.

This is Clark's nomination to win not lose by the consorted effort of the GOP and Media criminals!

lets also get this article out to blogs and Clark sites so they can further branch it out.

keep this kicked!

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:29 AM
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45. In the meantime, Dean is getting losta coverage from.....
http://12.38.102.164/archives/ic/2003/11/14/101204.shtml

Clark is dogged in this article....Dean is hailed for his money raising prowess.

Clark in essence is written off, again.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:23 PM
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36. Bullshit
They may have been looking at Clark too, who wouldn't, but what you write is a fabrication. Of course, nothing is too bad to try to bring down Dean with right? This shit is nauseating. I' support Dean and I think Clark is great. Most people I know who like one like the other. Most want the other on the ticket with their guy. Dean gets press because he's a good story. If Clark got those endorsements he'd get a lot of press for it too. You people are so worried about "falling for their trap" that you're fighting their battle for them. Fuck sake. Clark isn't involved in Iowa. He'll do decent in NH and he'll kick butt in the south. Do you people have any idea how many negative Dean articles are out there? Have you read his Vanity Fair article? It inspires and that's why people are all over him.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:39 AM
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42. Fox and CNN have been pimping Dean...
since Clark entered the race. Dean, according to the broadcast networks, has won every debate. The only negative articles about Dean come from independent sources or weblogs. Right now Dean's being coddled by the mainstream press while Clark is getting hit-piece after hit-piece thrown at him. At some point the press will turn on Dean, after the primary if he wins. You won't like the look of it then as you have to find obscure news sources to convince yourself it's not a conspiricy. :mad::mad::mad:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:28 AM
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44. oh, did I forget this one?????
Story on who's running the show of electing the Democratic candidate for the Democratic party.It's a one act play called: Dean for president: A Democratic tragedy in one act? http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?catid=1104&custid=67

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:18 PM
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10. Clinton better go to bat for him....
I think Clinton kind of owes Clark for saving
Clinton's reputation in Kosovo.

It was Clinton vs. the GOP's in Congress.

Clark pulled it off, saving Big Dog's ass.

Then Clinton gets duped into "helping Wes retire".

Then Clinton gives Clark a green light: "There are
two stars in the Democratic Party (Wes and Hillary)".

Yeah, I'd say Clinton better follow-up.
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:18 PM
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31. Clinton might be divisive
There is still a lot of negative stigma attached to him in some of the more conservative states.

What I would really like to see is Gore come out and endorse Clark. That would supercharge him.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:58 PM
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35. Clinton and loyalty
For eight years, Clinton was able to stave off the forces that control the planet bringing us misery and gore, however, we would be kidding ourselves to think that Cllinton would go to bat to save anyone elses butt. Clinton takes care of Clinton. Clinton certainly owes Clark since it is the Big Dawg who let things slide over the NATO command, but don't hold your breath.

No, what pisses me off is how shallow Soros and Hollbrooke are behaving. The Elizabeth Drew article was one obvious move by someone, but not enough. I am literally weeping over this turn of events. We all know they are picking our candidate, but I still come here to read about how Dean, advises Clark to come clean about the IWR. Why isn't the media throwing up Dean's comments on the front pages. (Rhetorical question)

We get the government we deserve.



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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:51 PM
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6. First,
it was attack, then ignore, now attack again.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:53 PM
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7. They have more than Fear
to be fearful of. Clark is the one who has said "P-N-A-C" on national television.

The others are too cowed.

That's why the attack, ignore, attack.......

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:03 PM
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8. Oui...
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:18 PM
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11. How did you find this?
:bounce:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:38 PM
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13. Plucked it up from a post at a community site....
and bothered to read it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:33 PM
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12. Wow! I was not imagining then!
I mean I signed with CNN for Wesley Clark alerts and I got 2 articles about Kerry, Gephardt, dean - no mention of Clark. I wonder why? :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:50 PM
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14. The media, as I have stated numerous times
is picking our candidate for us. Like they picked Bush for us. Like they decided to go to war for us. This is sickening. I don't know if I can take it anymore.

We can opine on who the candidate will be......unfortunately, our opinions don't seem to much matter....cause just like the war was already decided on....so are these elections.

Fear and consumption, as Marilyn Manson so aptly put it, is keeping Americans busy while our democracy has been replaced by SuperPower Multi national coporate capitalism.

We have been rendered helpless by the mediawhores.

Boy, combine the movie "Network" and the book "1984" and you have us, now.
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katusha Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:57 PM
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15. what i find amazing
is how the american media will do stories about how the russian media is being controlled by a few large business interests who are cozy with putin, but fail to shine that light on themselves. the similarities to what is happening to the russian media and what is happening to the american media are starting to get uncomfortable.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 06:59 PM
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16. Well apart from lies, enuedo, and fear...
the mediawhores rule by omission.

Canada is about to become extremely crowded!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:17 PM
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17. Because unless it's a smear.....
they are not allowed to discuss Clark. This is what we are up against. But I am ready for the fight.

Are you?
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:44 PM
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18. Am I ready to fight?
Hell, yes!!! The only three candidates getting a mention are Dean, Kerry and Gephardt. The only time they mention Clark is to say that he is fading, and I don't believe it for a minute.
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:00 PM
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22. its all a lie
No one believes it for a minute, jus look at the national polls. The people that need the real facts now are the ones jus getting into the election mood, not all were like us in following the candidates from back in the summer. They need to be brought up to speed fast so they arent subjected to the character assasination of Clark by the media and GOP.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:47 PM
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19. Clark is a military man and the Republicans
will do to Clark what they've done to other military people that they choose to "put down." John McCain is an example - mentally unstable, former POW ran for office - mentally unstable and I'm sure they're many others. If some higher ranking officer spoke out against Iraq either active (he'd be gone) or retired - he/she is mentally unstable. The lesser class must always die for the upper class.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:58 PM
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21. He could break apart their entire coalition
He could break apart their entire coalition by
siphoning off the patriotic and the military vote that
has not been with the Democrats since Nixon and Vietnam.

If this happenned (they lose) the tensions in their coalition
may cause the Republican party to splinter:
economic conservatives versus the religious right
neocons versus isolationists


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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:03 PM
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23. That would be SWEET!
It's true they have a hard time holding the big corporation faction and the religious right faction together, and one of the glues that bind them is the patriotism thread.

I would love to see them splinter. :)
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:33 PM
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24. kick
kick it!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 09:18 PM
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25. The revolution....
might just have to be televised...
After all mediawhores don't care from where they bread is buttered.
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:12 AM
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26. kick
i feel its worth bringing this to the front 1 more time
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:26 AM
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27. I believe you, and it terrifies me....
The incredible stupidity of the majority of sheeple who read and believe these constant lies is just beyond me. Obviously thinking for oneself is just too hard...
give 'em pithy little sound bites and they lap 'em up like dogs slurping antifreeze...they think it's pretty sweet but they are in reality being poisoned.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:32 AM
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28. You could write the same article about what the media is doing to HELP
Howard Dean estabilish a meta-message which can win the primaries, but will lose the GE.

People should wake up. The media is propping up some candidates and tearing down and ignoring others.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:23 PM
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37. A voice of reason
We knew this was going to happen, and thank you AP speaking out.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:59 AM
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29. The most suprising thing about this article
is this is the first Potvin I've ever heard of that doesn't play hockey.

I have to get out more :)
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:02 PM
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33. Geez, I haven't thought of Dennis Potvin
in years. Remember the chants? :)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:48 PM
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34. The only chants I remember concerning the Islanders
was when we Bruins fans were chanting "Sink the island!" way back when.(The B's lost anyways :-( )

Oh,and when the Rangers fans were chanting "Fishsticks!" at the Islanders when they had the Gorton's fisherman logo :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:27 PM
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30. Thanks for the article, Frenchie.
Damn depressing. :( It's been so obvious to ME who the media wants as the Dem nominee....Dean. It's also been obvious to me who the WH wants as the nominee...Dean. Is there a direct connection between the 2? You damn well better believe there is! They have the RW talking heads out on the networks every day DEFENDING Dean and talking aboout how wonderful the shrub is. They think Dean is the one to beat. I know what's going on, but I highly doubt that mainstreet America does. They catch their evening news, they get the daily feed from the WH and believe it. They get up in the morning and read their newspaper (maybe) and get the RW spin and believe it. It's disgusting and this article has me in a rage!

I know I will be working for Clarks campaign and doing everything I can to get his name out there. I think Clark supporters should make frequent visits to retirement homes and VA Hospitals! Our elderly and our Veterans are SMARTER than the average person. They will see Clark for who and what he is, an admirable man who is 100 times more qualified to run this country than the squatter in the WH.

Mentally unfit? He graduated top of his class at West Point, He's a Rhodes Scholar, He has a Masters Degree in Economics and was the Supreme Allied Commander of Nato and he's MENTALLY UNFIT???? George Will is Mentally Unfit for writing that, IMO. If people just listen to him talk, hear his calm even voice, make note of his demeanor and hear WHAT he has to say, they will like him and vote for him. They will not and cannot see a MENTALLY UNFIT man. It's impossible. He certainly projects just the opposite. JMCPO

Now, how do we get him more airtime? This is so depressing. The WH media whores have taken over our airwaves. HOW do we get him airtime?
How can we fight them? :(
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:55 PM
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32. Hey Clarkies
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 01:56 PM by HFishbine
Boy! Spreading around a lot of blame here. What's to be done? Suggest tactics for the Clark Campaign, get Clinton to speak up, etc.. Fine. The points made here may all be valid and the strategies suggested may be good, but they have one thing in common -- they are all out of your hands.

What responsibility do YOU shoulder? Are you doing what you could be to help Clark? If you aren't doing these things below, you're really just spitting in the wind.

1) Write a letter in support of Clark to your local paper.

2) Download and print some Clark flyers and go door-to-door in your neighborhood. (http://www.clark04.com/downloads/)

3) Download and print Clark yard and window signs and display them where you can. (http://www.clark04.com/downloads/)

4) Sign up for and attend the next Clark MeetUp (http://www.clark04.com/meetup/)

5) Sign up to volunteer for the Clark campaign and follow through.(http://volunteer.clark04.com/)

6) Make a contribution (https://secure.terrasite.com/equivoxcom/clark2004/contribute.asp)

YOU are not powerless, but assume your reponsibilites and you'll be doing far more to help Clark than you'll accomlish by railing against the machine. (It's working for Dean.)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. We are working on it...
we've got an awsome plan. Don't worry. Just remember that Dean seems to need Clark as his VP...that's his foreign policy.

Needs Clark to get the South....that his southern strategy.

That's so sad!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Wrong!
Dean does not seem to need clark.

Maybe you're just wishing, eh?
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:46 PM
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39. CLARKIES: Buy bumper stickers!
Some of the best advertising around.

http://www.big-impressions.biz/clark/

Some for yourself, some for friends, some for family.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:09 AM
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40. kick
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:03 AM
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43. An amazing article
What is equally amazing is how all of the Podvin fans are now so eager to dismiss him. Tonight Novak chimed in with obligatory...Clark fading. He just wraps that spittal infested mug around his little bash and lets it drool onto the screen. What's his treasonous ass doing outside of jail anyway?


Bumper stickers...check.

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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:48 AM
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46. Latest Fox News Headline - The Howard Dean Express
The only mention of Clark was a crack from Jay 'Repug' Leno:grr:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103123,00.html

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