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[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. That's no soundbite

but allow me:

John Ashcroft's policy “hold until cleared" is just a fancy way of saying “guilty until proven innocent.

America deserves leaders that are more concerned with prosecuting the War on Terror, than persecuting those who disagree with them or those of a certain ethnic background.

The America we believe in doesn’t quiet dissent – it encourages it.

etc.... Kerry is the man.

[Ksec]

2. Its time to get serious

This fascism cant stand. Its time to bring the pit bulls to the dog fight.

[sistersofmercy]

21. kick for that comment!

:kick:

[FredScuttle]

3. Gee....he almost sounds "angry"

Don't get me wrong...I agree with everything he said and I salute him for saying it. I just feel that, gosh...ain't he a little late to the "defending dissent" party, 21st century edition? Oh yeah, I haven't forgot when he told those of us who still speak out about the theft of the 2000 election to "get over it"

But, again, agree totally with what he said...thanks Senator Kerry for speaking the truth!

[maddezmom]

5. good speech

<<It doesn’t take a cynic to wonder about how far George Bush and John Ashcroft will go.>>

No matter who is nominated, they need to end the era of Bush and Ashcroft. Among many others.

[maddezmom]

6. sorry, thought I replied to the original n/t

[blm]

7. Kerry is one of the few politicians who spoke up for Gore

during the recount, and attacked any Republican who dared smear a Democrat as "unpatriotic" every time it occurred. Thos ewho truly paid attention know this. Taking his other remarks out of context to smear him is wrong. The Democrats at that dinner had no problem with Kerry's words because in context they mattered and the understood them.

[FredScuttle]

26. Context, eh?

So please explain to me the context in which I am to understand his statement that those who are still angry about the 2000 election should "stop crying in our teacups" and "get over it (italics added)"??? Some of us take criminal actions such as the disenfranchisement of thousands of voters in Florida a little more seriously than make flippant dismissals of it. As for the expected response that Democrats should move on and not appear to whine about 2000, I would say congratulations - you're playing right into the GOP strategy.

And how, exactly, am I smearing him by quoting him directly?

[blm]

34. Where you are wrong is assuming he said those phrases in a context

when those at the event itself didn't take it the way you and others who read about it did. They applauded his remarks enthusiastically, so I expect he framed those remarks in a way that was much more considerate towards Democratic activists than the press made it sound.

[FredScuttle]

59. So, because a bunch of people I don't know and never met

applauded that line, I should just shut up?

Who the hell was he speaking to anyway? The "Friends of Katherine Harris"??

[blm]

61. No. Democratic activists in Washington state.

They heard him speak inspirationally and NOT the way you assumed by the press report. You believed the press report from someone you don't know, but NOT the very same Dem activists who worked for Gore in 2000 who gave Kerry a standing O?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

37. "get over it" does not mean "forget about it"

It's an appeal to emotional control, not intellectual dismissal. I heard these words, coming from Kerry, as that of a leader rallying his troops to face a new battle. When you lose, you have to move on to the next fight.

[FredScuttle]

60. We may interpret things differently...

when someone tells me to "get over it", ESPECIALLY in the time since 2000, I take it to mean "stop your babyish whining and moaning and get in line with the new regime"

to me, "get over it" and "forget about it" are synonymous, if not exactly the same.

[welshTerrier2]

4. Excellent ...

It sounds like Mr. Kerry may very well be in the process of "finding his voice" ...

It shouldn't matter to anyone here which candidate, if any, you're supporting ... this is exactly the message all democrats should be highlighting ...

In fact it's the message that all Americans should be highlighting ...

We are watching the erosion of our democracy ... this is not an extremist message ... this is not a leftist message ... this is not a democratic party message ... this may well be our last chance to preserve our democracy ...

You can't look at issues like BBV and Diebold, republican gerrymandering, blocking democrats from participating in house and senate conferences on key legislation, suspension of habeus corpus, etc. without understanding that it's all on the line now ...

Here's a great big "THANK YOU" to Mr. Kerry for speaking so eloquently on the subject ... I hope all our candidates join him ...

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[welshTerrier2]

9. thanks, Pete ...

as always, i appreciate your bringing such important information to the DU community !!

keep up the good work ...

it will be interesting to see whether Kerry can catch fire after getting off to such a slow start ... i'm sure most DU'ers think he's toast ... i do not ...

it is no small thing to make such significant changes in your campaign team ... perhaps it is too late ... but Kerry is clearly making a much better showing now ... and most people have not focussed on the candidates at all yet ...

i'm not sure if it will be good or bad for democrats, but it's starting to feel like we may go well into the primary season before anyone locks up the nomination ... Dean will win big in N.H. and maybe even in Iowa ... but next year's going to be a marathon ... not a sprint ...

[Scott Lee]

10. Question: Did Kerry vote for the Patriot Act?

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[Scott Lee]

14. To repeat: Does anyone know if Kerry voted for the Patriot Act?

It is a perfectly valid question to ask whether a candidate who has vociferously opposed a Bush administration inspired act, in fact, voted for that act.

We can discuss from there. Anyone?

[DrFunkenstein]

17. Yes

People know if Kerry voted for the act. People know what Dean said he would have done in the same place. People know many things.

[Scott Lee]

41. Thank you for answering a direct question.

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[John_H]

25. Yeah , and you would have too

if you were an elected official.

The rethugs didn't let anyone read it (and it is in fact unreadable as moore points out) until hours before the vote.

The country was in full blind knee jerk mode.

The party leadership was threatening everyone--so desperate were they for their shoulder to shoulder BS.

And the whores were trumpeting it as the way to stop another attack.

We're all 100 percent corageously pure in hindsight, especially when we don't have to get elected to anything.

Guess what? Dean and Clark would have voted for it if they were seantors too.

[oasis]

52. The moral to this story is: Political politicians are not clean like Dean.

Squeaky clean Dean. Pure as the snow on the Vermont ski slopes. oops!!! ;-)

[Bandit]

29. You need to read the original post and your question would never be asked

Pay attention.

[blm]

35. He did, along with 98 other Senators and just as Dean would have

considering he was touting a curtailing of some civil rights back on Sept. 14, 2001, THREE days after 9-11.

He also said he "tended to support the president" on TIPS even, on MTP last July, 2002. But, that was BEFORE when he was running to claim the center.


MR. RUSSERT: You heard Mr. Armey’s objection to the president’s TIPS Program, where cable
       installers, utility workers would observe what’s going on and report anything suspicious to the police.
       Do you support the president?
       
       GOV. DEAN: I tend to support the president, although I have some reservations about this one as well.
       All I’ve seen is what’s been on television, and I have something in me that is bothered by the notion that
       Americans are going to be spying on each other. So if the president is simply asking people to be alert,
       I think that’s fine. If the president really is encouraging Americans to spy on each other, I have a
       problem with that.
       
       MR. RUSSERT: You did say after the 11th that the United States may be prepared to have to sacrifice
       some personal liberties and civil liberties in order to fight the war on terrorism.
       
       GOV. DEAN: We already are. I think when I got on the airplane to come down here, it took me about
       25 minutes longer than it would have a year ago. And those are the kinds of liberties that we are going
       to be sacrificing and there may be some other ones.
       

[Scott Lee]

40. you mind read for Dean now?

Awesome! We never need to have science again. We have mindreaders in the Kerry camp.

[blm]

48. Dean has indicated it on his own...you know...back when

he was running as the centrist he is.

[Scott Lee]

55. oh *INDICATED*.....uh huh....

This is blm-ese for "I just want to put words in his mouth".

[blm]

58. Russert called him on his Sept.14 statement

It's in my post above. Did you bother to read it? Dean was pushing to curtail liberties three days after 9-11. Cuz he was being true to his CENTRIST core principles.

[PVnRT]

28. Yes, I think the candidates

should be judged based on what they say today and recently as well. Instead of, say, focusing on their past record.

[oasis]

36. Question for Scott lee: Do you agree with Sen. Kerry's recent speech?

[sangh0]

39. No answer from the "attack the critic, ignore the issues" crowd

AFAIK, SL never posts any commentary besides "Dean good. Others bad"

[oasis]

42. "Such people are like owls, the more the light shines,the less they see"

Native American proverb

[Scott Lee]

44. Hoot hoot, mon.

[oasis]

47. Scottish owls at that.

:-)

[Scott Lee]

45. Are you working blm's shift today?

When does ADJHS let out for Christmas break?

[Scott Lee]

43. Answer: Yes. Too bad he didn't have this conviction when it counted!

Like during the vote. That is when the mettle of politicians is proven.

Kerry and every one of the Dem quislings who voted with him on this legal hairball bear some of the responsibility for the mess we're now in with it.

By the way, has Kerry introduced a repeal of the Patriot Act?

[oasis]

50. Kerry / Clark/Dean will toss the Patriot Act after becoming president.

[Scott Lee]

56. Really? Is there any evidence for this?

I mean, outside of Fiery John's history stopping speech on the subject?

[Egnever]

11. Kerry who?

:shrug:

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[IndianaGreen]

15. Has Kerry introduced legislation to repeal PATRIOT Act?

Yes?

No?

Waffling?

[JohnKleeb]

16. IG do you know how that Kucinich bill is going

Anyways I am glad hes speaking out on it that is Kerry, although I proudly support the only guy to say no to IWR and the Patriot Act. Yes some said no to IWR, but he also said no to the patriot act. I really think if thats your litmus test you should support Kucinich.

[sangh0]

32. Kerry slammed Bush* - Get over it!

I know it burns you up when another Dem attacks Bush*.

[Scott Lee]

51. Kerry ENABLED Bush*.

And now wants to harvest some political capital by lambasting that enablement.

I'll make you a deal. If you can get Kerry to introduce a motion to repeal the Patriot Act (I and II), I'll throw my support behind Kerry, no questions asked.

[Scott Lee]

49. Hell no. He wants to keep his job, priority number one.

But I'm sure we'll see a rousing speech soon about how we SHOULD have a repeal of the Patriot Act (as long as somebody else initiates it).

[kodi]

18. good for kerry, i wish he had spoken this way sooner, but glad anyway

we need all our people working together and i dont care if one comes late to the fray, as long as they join in against the patriot act and the vile nature of the rightwing in amerika.

i like kerry alot. he would be a better president than he has been as a candidate so far.

the only thing i can say is that it appears to me that kerry expected peole to flock to him and he did not work as hard as dean or gepthardt in building a campaign organization.

18 months ago will pitt and i got into an argument about kerry's chances, and will being a baystater thought more highly of kerry's chances than did i, but now, with the way the country is going, i think that people will respond to kerry if he runs against bush.

but, i fear, it is too little too late for him to win the nomination and he may well be the vp pick.

[leftofthedial]

19. I'd love to see Kerry step up

He is a remarkable man.

But he has been oddly lethargic as a presidential candidate.

Methinks he's gotten more than a little too comfortable and disconnected from the social and economic realities of today's America.

[sistersofmercy]

20. I can not put into words what this means to me!

I new found peace has come over me because I do not believe John Kerry will drop this or has merely used this as a spouting off point for his campaign like some. He will fight for the restoration of our rights! Thankfully!:kick:

[John_H]

24. Great speech

Jesus, can we Duers at least agree on the fact that all of our candidates w/ the exception of GOP Joe are smacking the Chimp hard--and accurately?

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[Butterflies]

30. Everyone should read this

excellent speech.

[rbnyc]

31. kick

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[eissa]

33. That was great

When he's not focusing solely on attacking other candidates only, his speeches are great. I hope he keeps hammering on these points.

[Kanola]

38. Good for Kerry

He is a great Senator and I like that he is up there fighting the good fight for us.

[Terran]

46. As someone on the fence...

I am very impressed with Kerry right now. Sure, we were all saying the same thing two years ago, but hell, it takes politicians time to catch up. The point is, he's saying this stuff on the record NOW, and people know where he stands. Again, I'm impressed.

[Hep]

53. BIG question

The Patriot Act passed 98-1.

What do people know now that they didn't know then? Tihs isn't candidate specific. That effing bill passed almost unanimously. And now the people who voted for it hate it. With that kind of passage, I can not hold the vote against the person making it, but I want to know what information came forth since their vote that leads to them criticizing it.

Anyone?

[sistersofmercy]

62. Well for starters, there is eveidence of abuse!

I don't have any links hand but Police forces are bring trained in it's "uses" or dare I say abuses. Some of the loose language has to do with the definition of chemical weapons and its interpretation. I'm paraprasing but the definition is something like this, "a substance which causes harm or death to another human being." By definition most illegal drugs would qualify as a chemical weapon. The PA has been used in the prosecution of a meth dealer I forget which state but there are other cases. Sorry no link and I read about a few months ago. Do a google of the PA and drug cases.

[Scott Lee]

54. Are you fishing for a hero? THIS is a hero (link)....

http://www.rense.com/general45/vs.htm

Brief filed against the Commander in Chimp over the continued Guantanamo incarcerations, afoul of international and constitutional law.

I wish Kerry were like this guy.

[oasis]

57. new development: Kerry and Sununu to introduce legislation to repeal

portions of Patriot Act.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

63. Should of said....

"slams Patriot Act, Hitler, Koulterkompf"