why hasn't Clark released ALL of his military records?

[pruner]

why did he only release the parts where he received glowing reviews?

these questions are addressed to the Clarkies who are carrying Rove's water by demanding that Dean unseal all his records as governor, even though he's not required to.

[joeybee12]

1. Oh, don't start--I know some Dean bashers began this night of

flaming, but let's end it now!

[ShaneGR]

9. Uhhhhh, maybe he doesn't realise that soldiers don't release their records

The government does. DUH.

[MIMStigator]

21. Clark has begged them to release his records

it's not in his control

[ShaneGR]

25. Which is what I was saying

I'd expect better from Pruner, normally he's rational.

[WillyBrandt]

Because Clark's "hidden" military records

...should they exist, won't be a campaign weapon for use against the Good General. Merely bringing them up highlights Bush's inadequacy.

Dean's, however, while almost certainly benign in their contents, will be used to hammer the Good Doctor endlessly.

It's not a matter of Dean being unfit to lead because of the hidden papers. It's a worry that the Right's tactical arsenal against Dean will be yet that much larger than it would be against Clark.

[coralrf]

43. What a ridiculous thread....

Clarks "records" are those of a 4 star general. They will contain a wealth of information that the Army does not want public. There is no 'Monica' in Clarks records just historical information that can be used to analyze US Military policy and strategy.

Records concerning his behavior, commendations and performance are now public. Records concerning his participation in operations of a covert nature will never be publicly released. Never. The GOP will probably not make to much of an issue of this as it begs the same of Bush. Bush has some serious shit to hide.


This cannot be hard to understand.

Unlike X-Ray Dean and ChickenHawk Bush, Clark as asked that his records be released. Dean has made an unnecessary and foolish remark about his and Bush has just lied and lied. We will not see Dean’s as Dean does not want us to. We will not see Bush as his string masters do not want us to. You will see whatever the Army wants you to of Clark’s and that is all there is to it.

[WillyBrandt]

2. dupe

dupe

[oasis]

3. A prospective employee would only include the good stuff on his resume.

Anyone dumb enough to add pointless negative stuff, I would not hire.

[pruner]

8. and a prospective employer (for a high-ranking position) would…

do a little digging into what was left out.

[WillyBrandt]

Invalid analogy

Dean's hidden records are a political liability. I suspect they are a minor liability, but they are set another quiver in the Right's arsenal.

Clark's hidden records--are they hidden? I hadn't heard about this--would be of little use to the right for two reasons: the public records are loaded with fulsome praise; and merely bringing the records' up highlights the phoniness of Bush's martial aura.

It's not a matter of the records giving us--voters, the "employers"--a better window into their fitness for governance. It's a matter of denying weapons to the Right in the general election.

[oasis]

22. As long as those providing any superfluous information got their facts

straight, no problema. :-)

[Avalux]

4. This is really getting rediculous

Please stop the insanity. :spank:

[Forkboy]

11. I think it's a fair question

just as asking Dean about his records is fair.

[annxburns]

16. He has ....

... anyone above a two star doesn't get performance reviews like before. He has released all his records. For reviews of his performance above a two-star - they show up on his chest - as medals.

[Jerseycoa]

5. Oh Pruner!

You know this was up yesterday.

[Frances]

6. Give me a break

This is the DEMOCRATIC underground. This is the place to point out Bush's faults, not those of our candidates

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Is it his decision?

Other than the performance reviews he has released, is Clark able to access these records? I would imagine the Pentagon has rules and regs regarding the release of military records that may contain nat'l security info.

[pruner]

13. that's what I'm talking about…

do you really believe all his performance reviews were positive?

[bicentennial_baby]

19. Honestly

I have no idea, but no, they probably were not all 100% positive. Regardless, I don't know if the decision is Clark's to make. :shrug:

[BOSSHOG]

29. If there were any "negatives" in his performace reviews

he would not have been promoted to a FOUR STAR GENERAL. I spent 24 years in the Navy. One negative in a performance review offsets one hundred positives. Yes, I believe all his reviews were positive.

[Closer]

10. And just why

does General Sheldon have SO little respect for Mr. Clark?

Did we ever find out?

Hmmmm

[Jerseycoa]

14. That would be Shelton

With a "t"

[WillyBrandt]

23. No, it was an empty smear

thrown out without substantiation. It is used gleefully by Fox News Anchors and some of the less gifted DUers.

[Jerseycoa]

30. Yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=798403#798784

[roguevalley]

39. General Shelton. One guy. Even if three guys are whining, and I

believe I've only heard three, so what? How many
people had a chance to tell about him in 37 years?

Jeez. Such a non-issue for all of them. Who cares?

[LandOLincoln]

53. You're a troll, and Shelton's a Sore Loser

whose own integrity is about zip, otherwise he'd have it out with Clark once & for all, in public, instead of slinging mud and then refusing to back up his charges with specifics.

At the Clark Meetup tonight in Albuquerque I met a classmate of the General's from West Point. He was a very polite, very patrician man very much like Clark himself, but he did a slow burn at the very mention of Shelton's name. Said Clark's colleagues were all writing letters in support of the General.

[Renew Deal]

12. He stopped recieving reviews after he got 2 stars.

That is the beginning and the end of the story. You can view his full record at http://clark04.com/records/

[ShaneGR]

15. Snore

How childish.

[wyldwolf]

17. A non issue meant to divert attention away from a Dean issue...

[KittyWampus]

31. To Be Fair, It's Not Really A Dean Issue In and Of Itself

It's just that Dean loses a bit of ammunition against Junior...

[SEAburb]

18. He asked the pentagon to release all of his records

but they won't because some of the them contain "NATIONAL SECURITY" issues. Clark doesn't have control over the release of the records, unlike Dean.

[MIMStigator]

20. Clark asked them to release his records

He has nothing to hide

[mmonk]

24. Great

Rovian ploy ;) Divert issues by pretending you have one on someone else.

[maddezmom]

26. as a Clark supporter

He should release all records, everyone else should release all records, too. But you can't hold it against him if the government won't let him.

[Julien Sorel]

27. Another one of your shitty threads that never should

have been started. He did release them all, and they were all positive. Going to backtrack (yet again)?

[pruner]

28. LOL

[KittyWampus]

35. Pruner, What Does That Bunny Have On It's Head?

Or am I looking dumb for asking..... :dunce:

[Lefta Dissenter]

52. I was not going to participate in this thread,

because it's so idiotic, but inquiring minds want to know...

why is that bunny wearing a pancake on his head???

[xultar]

36. Aw, Pruner, Really how old are you? I gotta know u Crack me up

[carpe diem]

32. he DID release all of his...

...military records, approx. 200 pages worth, from West Point until he got his 3rd star as a General. The Army stops giving performance evaluations after the 3rd star.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/16/elec04.prez.clark.military/

[Forkboy]

38. Thank you

That answers the question for me.

[xultar]

33. What do you want him to release, his penis size!?! HE HAS! and

he can't get a court to seal them for him!

You guys are TRIPPIN for sure

[retyred]

34. You must have missed the memo

Clark released all the records he had, If there are any others the army has them and were never his to release, According to army policy, after 2 stars, records aren't required to be kept by Generals in the same manner so whatever records there were after his second star were records the army kept and never in Clarks posession, or his to release, I suggest you contact the army and ask for any additional info you require.

Nice try tho!



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read the book

[Nashyra]

37. Why aren't you asking where the *'s records are.

You will never get anywhere trying to make an issue out of Clark's military record. He is the WH's worst nightmare if they are going to run a campaign on national security and foreign policy. Hat's off to the General and ALL the candidates for putting themselves out there for BS like this let alone by the Dems, even if he doesn't get the nomination this country needs more leaders in or out of the military like Clark.

[xultar]

40. I found some additional Clark Records...

General Wesley Clark was the most decorated soldier since Eisenhower.

Wesley Clark was Knighted by Great Britain for his work with NATO and the Balkans, one of only 11 foreign nationals so recognized.

Wesley Clark was Knighted by the Netherlands.

Wesley Clark received the French "Legion d'Honneur for his service.

Wesley Clark received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Clinton after Kosovo (this is the United States' highest civilian honor).

So, any comments?

[Dr Fate]

54. I'd still like to see Bush's "lost in the mail" Nat. Guard records...

...

[izzie]

41. Frankly besides time in and out who cares.

What he did is pretty well known as he was so high up. Like Bush it is really more important what his big deal father did or made people do for him than what Bush himself did. They were the ones pulling the deal and that is why we do not get the truth. Bush the father got to someone that record will be trashed if it gets out what he did.Or that is how I think it goes.

[hlthe2b]

42. You know, I like Dean AND Clark....

What I don't like is the kind of flamebaiting.......

Ok, Go to it, Gladiators..... I'm going to hold back until you guys have taken the first two tiers out.



Sheesh. Nine excellent declared candidates, and once again, we become our own worst enemies. And before anyone takes MY head off, I find the question valid, but the way it was asked repulsive and very disrespectful of other DUers.

[mitchum]

44. kicking for lameness

[FrenchieCat]

46. Here's more on the "records"

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Clark%27s+campaign+release+military+career

WASHINGTON, Oct. 15 — The campaign of Gen. Wesley K. Clark, who has based his Democratic presidential bid on his career in the United States Army, this week released 200 pages of internal military evaluations from his commanding officers, who repeatedly used only superlatives to describe his skills, energy and leadership abilities.
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The documents, given by the campaign to The New York Times, are performance evaluations that begin with General Clark's admission to West Point in 1962 and cover more than 30 years of his military career, in which he earned such decorations as a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.
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One recurring trait that appears in the evaluations is that General Clark always spoke his mind. The evaluations are replete with mentions that he "was not a yes-man," and "says what he thinks."

[ecstatic]

45. do you think he was AWOL too?

hehe just kidding!

[curse10]

47. Because he's EVIL!

EVIIIILLLLL!!!!
:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:

[QC]

50. When will Wesley Clark release...

...his Penang Kitten Kurry recipe?

I hear that it is devilishly delish!

[Wapsie B]

48. Why hasn't chimpy released all of HIS records?

That's the question we're all dying to find the answer to. Man, I go away for a few hours and the place is just crawling with Psy Ops boys from the local Scaiffe foundation.

What's a matter freepers? Scared of a little 4-star general? You guys know you're sitting on a fucking time-bomb with president dumbo. He's gonna go off and take the rest of the gop with it. I just hope he doesn't take the rest of America with him.

[Mattforclark]

49. Because those are the parts that say

'And then we burst into the village and killed every man, woman, and child, and then we laughed, because death is funny. haha. And killing babies is fun. And by the way, I am a double agent for PNAC.'

:silly:

[FrenchieCat]

51. It's on the record....

Now Dean, however.....