12/2 Democratic Candidate STRAW poll!

[ShaneGR]

Poll question: 12/2 Democratic Candidate STRAW poll!

I think we should keep doing these things to see if there are switches based on all of the candidate bashing.

Anyways, VOTE!

[goobergunch]

1. Take a guess who I voted for.

<------- hint

;)

[ShaneGR]

2. Good job

Voting is good!

[goobergunch]

7. /me hopes that it wasn't tallied by Diebold (n/t)

[rucky]

3. It is the insane person

who repeats the same thing over and over again and expects different results.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Huh...

Aren't opinion polls by nature things that ARE repeated over and over again and DO yield different results?

[rucky]

10. Whose opinions have changed since yesterday?

[Egnever]

20. um this guys

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=810970&mesg_id=810970

I would bet a lot more did also

[Kahuna]

56. Who did he support prior? He never said. He may be a

Deanie reaffirming his support as they are wont to do every four hours or so. :7

[PurityOfEssence]

18. You mean like commenting on re-polling?

Hmmmmmmm?

Hey, if the Napoleon hat fits, wear it!

(By the way: Edwards is the one fer me...)

[lewiston]

61. It seems to me...

that the vote has been shifting in deans favor...has it not?

[slinkerwink]

4. I don't think a lot of people made switches due to candidate bashing

We're very bullheaded supporters here on DU.

[_NorCal_D_]

5. Nah

Once a month would do. B-)

[MoonRiver]

8. Looks like all the Clark bashing is having ZIP effect, lol!

He just keeps charging down the track, a mile ahead of Dean, heading straight to the finish line. :D

[goobergunch]

11. DU is not America (n/t)

[MoonRiver]

17. No, it represents the BASE of the Dem Party, or at least a big part of it.

Clark's appeal has always been couched in terms of bringing in Democratic, Independent, and Repub moderates. Well, I'd say he's doing super if he's this popular with the base, plus able to attract center to right of center folks!
:kick:

[jsw_81]

19. Super?

Is that why he's in single digits in New Hampshire?

[Kahuna]

28. Yeah but, depending on the candidates the moderates ...

may turn out in force for the primaries. If this happens, I believe it will favor General Clark.

[TLM]

33. not according to the polls...

Dean is polling the best with moderates and indi voters.

[Kahuna]

51. Proof?

nt

[TLM]

31. LOL!!! Yeah he's doing so well...

that Clark Corps had to put a call out on the blog for back up.

And he still is neck and neck with Dean on DU.


Of course looking at meetup numbers or fundraising numbers and to see Dean is miles ahead of CLark.


How's clark polling in NH again? 6%? 8%?

[Sterling]

41. Clarkies showed up late on DU

That much is obvious. Although I do like things about Clark it is clear that DU is just a tool to promote Clark to a lot of Clark people. I have been here for 3 years as many others have as well. I wish I felt that the Clarkies were team players and will be with us after the nomination even if Clark is gone but I am not sure that will happen.

I have the feeling we will be back to the regular crowd which with a couple of exceptions is not a bad thing. Some DUers have organized to do some great work not related to a specific candidate. Hopefully the Clark newbies will see this potential and become long DUers even if Clark is not in the picture.

[TLM]

46. Well you know after all Clark's favorate weapon

is DU.

[ringmastery]

9. yeah

the mods should pin these. Maybe do them once a week on Monday's. Leave the poll up for 24 hours and then close it. Then repeat the next week, etc. You could chart the results and make it like an official DU tracking poll.

[ShaneGR]

15. Hey! I donated so I could make polls...

And so I do...

[ShaneGR]

12. TIE!

Dean and Clark neck and neck.

[SPAZtazticman]

13. arg

i voted (for undecided thank you very much), but am i the only one who sees this as very irrelevant?

[oasis]

14. poll participant check in

[sleipnir]

16. Have the Clark blogs checked in yet?

I always here about the mysterious Clark blogs that are "Freeping" the polls....humm...they don't seem to exist...funny about rumors, how they tend not to exist.

[Kahuna]

24. You have to be a member to vote. And yes, we have a lot..

Clarkies as new members. What's the problem with that? so, please stop calling members freepers. It's against the rules you know.

As I recall, DU just had a very successful fundraising period. No doubt our new Clarkies are fulfilling their civic responsibility to DU too.

[sleipnir]

26. Funny how sarcasm seems to be lost on you

I was debunking the popular myth of the "Clark Blog Freepers" but you really didn't seem to read my post. I'm not attacking Clark, rather the opposite, trying to defend him.

Also "Freeping" has become nomenclature for skewing poll results due to a call for outside members to vote.

[Kahuna]

27. Oops! Sorry. I may be a bitch...

but at least I know when to admit I've wronged a fellow DUer and apologize. :pals:

[sleipnir]

29. No prob...I'm often a little to heavy on sarcasm, it doesn't come off well

online ;)

[TLM]

39. WHat myth? I posted proof of this, with links to Clark;s blog.

Are you saying I made this up?

here it is right here... follow the link and look for yourself.

_________________________________________________________________

http://blog.forclark.com/story/2003/11/13/192741/61

Vote in this poll
By Harry
Posted to Harry's weblog on Thu Nov 13th, 2003 at 07:27:41 PM EST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=703 769&mesg_id=703769

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http://blog.forclark.com/story/2003/11/26/12446/234

By dmurch
Posted to dmurch's weblog (Call To Action) on Wed Nov 26th, 2003 at 12:44:06 PM EST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=108

This is a link to the Democratic Underground web site and forum. There is very little support for Clark on this site. This a forum for all Dems to discuss the issues and to talk up your candidate. If we have enough people go and participate we may be able to win some converts. My name on the forum is

dougforclark
_________________________________________________________________

[Kahuna]

57. I remember the first poll done by admins where Dean..

got like 70% of the vote. Deanies where on the thread BRAGGING about sending out the batcall on a blog. One of those who was bragging had the nerve to post last week that she had never seen that on a dean blog. Does she think people don't remember the things she posts? People in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

[TLM]

37. Calling someone a freeper is not the same thing

as saying someone is freeping a poll.


Freeping a poll means simply that you're getting a bunch of folks to work together to skew poll results. You need not be a freeper to freep a poll, but they made the act famous so they got the name.

[TLM]

36. The CLark blog doesn't exist?

Here is the Blog.... http://blog.forclark.com

And here is a quote from a post to the blog asking for back up to skew a poll for Clark.


_________________________________________________________________

http://blog.forclark.com/story/2003/11/13/192741/61

Vote in this poll
By Harry
Posted to Harry's weblog on Thu Nov 13th, 2003 at 07:27:41 PM EST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=703769&mesg_id=703769

_________________________________________________________________



http://blog.forclark.com/story/2003/11/26/12446/234

By dmurch
Posted to dmurch's weblog (Call To Action) on Wed Nov 26th, 2003 at 12:44:06 PM EST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=108

This is a link to the Democratic Underground web site and forum. There is very little support for Clark on this site. This a forum for all Dems to discuss the issues and to talk up your candidate. If we have enough people go and participate we may be able to win some converts. My name on the forum is

dougforclark
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[Sterling]

45. Wow that was harsh

What a smackdown. I don't no why anyone would deny that this is actually going on. It's like they think DUers are stupid. The one thing I know about DU is that bullshit gets called out with a quickness I have seen no where else.

Keep it real guys.

[sleipnir]

48. Well, humm...

I guess there is something to it after all...I stand corrected, somewhat. Though I must say, it's not a massive conspiracy, rather, a couple of posts on the Blog. So, while I do see the evidence, it's not that much compared to what some are calling a veritable consipracy of the bloggers...

Thanks for the links.

[Zynx]

21. The good doctor.

[Democrats unite]

22. The good General

eom

[MoonRiver]

23. Here's a

:kick: for Clark. Still ahead of the pack!

[Padraig18]

25. Has anyone else noticed that...

... Sen. Kerry never makes it into the top 3 these days? I think there's a message in that...

[ShaneGR]

30. Looks like a Dean/Clark tie

Interesting.

[blm]

32. yep...that Kerry people are voting for Clark in these DU polls.

heheh

[mndemocrat_29]

35. I think a lot of Kerry people are actually switching their support

to Clark.

[blm]

40. I'm not guessing.

I'm telling.

[TLM]

42. I'm not suprised...

Given Clark's support for the IWR, his time as a corporate lobbyist, his sycophantic praise of Reagan and Bush Sr, and the way his flip flops more than a dying fish.... Clark and Kerry are peas in a pod.

[wyldwolf]

52. Sure, I mean...

...why would they switch to Dean - a flip flopping states rightist who was in bed with big business in Vermont, is hiding his records, was forced into a civil union agreement then pretended he was all for it, is loved by the rightwing NRA, hated by environmentalists, and also supported the Iraq war although he now denies it?

[mndemocrat_29]

34. Dean and Clark running neck and neck

Kucinich is in third as is usual.

However, from the looks of recent polls, Edwards has started to outpoll Kerry.

[seventhson]

38. These polls are being freeped and are a waste of time

But, Dammit, I voted anyway.

Funny how a supposedly far left site would support Clark when most dems nationally on the left support Dean.

It is clear to me that there is a little external planning going into these polls.

[TLM]

44. Of course there is... and a lot of so called democrats...

who just can't help but fall in line for that big bold war hawk protector image. They get all gooey for someone who will protect them and take care of them.

Whereas Dean appeals to the fighters and folks who want to stand up and take their country back. Dean appeals to those of us who want to take an active part in our government, who want to be empowered.

Clark appeals to folks who are scared and want daddy to protect them from the boogieman. It is a very different dynamic.

There are also the bitter Kerry supporters who don't care one bit about the country or beating Bush... they just hate Dean because he beat their guy.

What is telling though, is that even when putting calls out for reinforcements on the Clark blog… they’re still neck and neck with Dean.

[Zero Division]

53. Ah, another great contribution to civil, mature discourse....

N/T

[Guaranteed]

60. Basically true

Just about all of it. The bitterness in the candidate threads is pretty transparent. There's nothing to "hate" about Dean...he's a great guy. All the candidates are pretty good people. But, for some reason, as the front runner, Dean gets most of the hate.

And I'm not saying this as a Dean supporter. I don't really feel the need to defend him. I'm saying this as someone who's sick of the nastiness here on DU, from ALL sides.

To all of the haters: tough titties. Get over it.

[wyldwolf]

50. DU isn't a far left site...

...so your point is moot.

[Kahuna]

58. It used to be. This board used to be crawling with..

Greenies. They used to belittle us moderates. So, finally we've pulled even with them. Maybe we even outnumber them a little. Welcome to the real world.

[mzmolly]

43. Instead of this poll being 'freeped' it's being 'creeped'..

get it? yuk yuk. ;)

[Droopy]

47. Wow, what happened to Kerry

I remember when he used to be number 2 behind Dean. Now Kucinich has got more support than him.

[bluestateguy]

49. Go Wes!

My heart tells me Dean (who I will be HAPPY to vote for if nominated), but my head tells me Clark. In 1992 my heart said Tom Harkin, but my head said Bill Clinton.

[NewJerseyDem]

54. Edwards

I've switched my support around a lot, but I really think that Edwards is the best candidate for the general election, not just because he is from the South, but because he can appeal to moderates for a number of reasons. He is also a loyal democrat.

I like Clark too for the same reasons but I just don't trust his loyalty to the party.

[MoonRiver]

55. Yea, Clark!!!

The undisputed (ha, ha) DU straw poll winner!! How many has it been so far?? :D

[Kahuna]

59. This'll be the fifth.

:7

[kentuck]

62. How did Lieberman get more votes than Gephardt ?

Incredible! :)