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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:23 PM
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CNBC about to discuss Howard Dean and a "firestorm over secrecy"
Should be interesting.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:24 PM
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1. There was a short article in Newsweek about his sealed records
This week's edition. Perhaps that is what they are talking about?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:40 PM
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18. secret files political
Politics: What’s in Howard Dean’s Secret Vermont Files?

By Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK

Dec. 8 issue — As investigative reporters and “oppo” researchers flock to Vermont to dig into Howard Dean’s past, they have run into a roadblock. A large chunk of Dean’s records as governor are locked in a remote state warehouse—the result of an aggressive legal strategy designed in part to protect Dean from political attacks.

DEAN—WHO HAS BLASTED the Bush administration for excessive secrecy—candidly acknowledged that politics was a major reason for locking up his own files when he left office last January. He told Vermont Public Radio he was putting a 10-year seal on many of his official papers—four years longer than previous Vermont governors—because of “future political considerations... We didn’t want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers at a critical time.”

http://www.msnbc.com/news/999347.asp?0dm=s11Dk&cp1=1
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:44 PM
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19. he slashed a las vegas prostitute to death!!!
had to have micheal corleone take care of it...and for that he owes the godfather a favor don t ya know!!!!
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:25 PM
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2. And you just can't WAIT can ya?
LOL.

Too bad Clark's never in the news these days, huh?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:25 PM
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3. *laughs*
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:27 PM
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6. That's because Rove wants to run against Dean.
Or haven't you heard?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:34 PM
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13. I Think Rove Just Keeps Gloating About Defeating Dean
Because he knows that Dean is the only one that can carry the nation beyond the GOP's ability to fudge the polls.

It's the briar patch tactic--"Whatever you do, Br'er Fox, please don't throw this delicious little bunny into the briar patch (where he can escape)."

Karl Rove would be the last one to say anything about what's on his mind truthfully. Bush doesn't have a mind, Cheney's mind never rises above his wallet. So Bush's Brain is trying to put us off target. Remember the target is to win back the country. To do that, we have to be paying attention to the voters, while keeping the psyops at bay with the truth.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:27 PM
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7. I'm curious.
I have nothing against Dean except I believe he can't beat the *.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:26 PM
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4. A "firestorm over secrecy", huh?
Must be a slow news day.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:27 PM
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5. Curious that the liberal media are so jazzed about Dean's records
But nary a peep about a certain other governor's records having been placed beyond the public's reach, as well as that same governor subsequently subverting the law to seal up the records of his party predecessors by executive fiat.

I wonder if anyone at CNBC will have the bad taste to mention Bunnypants?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:32 PM
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11. But, but, but, don't you understand???
It's DIFFERENT with Pukes. Then we're supposed to shut the f%#@ up and swallow whatever crap they dish out to us.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:28 PM
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8. This is good ~ We are supposed to have open government
I don't care who it is. If they are official government papers we should be able to see them. Presidential Papers for instance. Congress made a law saying after twelve years they must be released but Bush* is more powerful than Congress it would appear. Secrecy is an issue that needs to be raised. I realize they are after Gov. Dean but it should apply to all and it will be hard to say it isn't right for Gov. Dean but quite acceptable for Bush*
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:30 PM
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9. where's your clark news?
No wonder why the media and pundits talk about Dean more than they do about Clark. Clark's supporters don't try hard enough to push their candidate here on DU. Beats me...:shrug:
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:31 PM
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10. What bullshit
Where are the democrats cry to look into all the secrecy surrounding shrub? How about those secret energy meetings with Cheney? When asked for those documents, Cheney simply said no. End of story. How about documents the 9/11 panel asked for? Shrub said no. End of story. What about shrub's records when he was governor? Or his records before he entered politics? Nope, nothing forthcoming there. I say Dean should do the same. No, can't see them. Period. Didn't we learn anything from Clinton's administration? You can never please these people. They're evil. JUST SAY NO!
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Romberry Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:33 PM
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12. Wow! Wonder if the media will ever...
...get around to discussing the secrecy of the Bush admin. How about Bush's sealed records? How about friggin AWOL?

Sorry Clark people but if you want to build your candidate up, tearing Dean down won't do it. Tearing Dean down just...tears Dean down. Grow up!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:34 PM
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14. Those who live in glass houses...
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:35 PM
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15. Dean, Dean, Dean
:)
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:37 PM
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16. Hmm, the "libiral mediea" must have taken a day of Clark bashing.
:P
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:38 PM
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17. Dean said he'd open his records if * opened his, on purpose
Now I am certain of it. It's the strategy of keeping yourself in the spotlight so that you can have an audience and set the agenda. I don't think Trippi cares at all that this comes up over and over because it will allow him to say the same things about *'s secrecy over and over as well.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:46 PM
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21. Here's what Dean had to say about the "sealed
records"..

http://nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=354&ArticleID=94054

<snip>"Dean defended the sealing of records during his five terms as governor.

“There are some things under law that every governor in every state in the country seals,” he said.

Asked what they were, Dean answered: “I don’t honestly know, but I can guess. Pardons, personal letters somebody wrote in to me and say ‘I have HIV/AIDS,’ I really don’t know.”

Dean insisted he played no role in what stayed private and what did not.

“I had very little to do with it. What gets sealed and doesn’t get sealed is a matter of state law. There’s not much flexibility on that. We never went through letters to see if this gets sealed and that doesn’t get sealed,” he recalled."
<snip>
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:51 PM
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22. If that is the case how could he say he would open them if Bush* did too?
I believe he was telling the truth in your post because it makes sense but then he must of been fibbing when he said he could open them if Bush* opened his. I think he just said that to bring up the secrecy issue especially with the current administration knowing full well he could not do what he said.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:51 PM
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23. Musiclawyer Wins!
Just like the Confederate flag.

This is deliberate.

"I'll show you mine if you show me yours"
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:45 PM
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20. slashed a vegas prostitute...
had michael corleone fix it..for that he owes the godfather a favor!!
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