We Must Draft Hilary!

[CityZen-X]

My heart, mind, and soul say's that the best way to insure a Democrat into the White House in 2004 is a Hilary Clinton, and Howard Dean ticket!
Why she would wait until 2008 does not make any sense to me at all. If Resident Bu$h*t takes another term there won't be an America as we know and love it. This attitude that some profess, "anyone but Bu$h*t" is a defeatist position. There has to be a candidate of power, and imagery that can lead our party, and our country back to glory and respect.
If Hilary is waiting to announce her candidacy she had better hurry, or we must draft H.R. Clinton!
Then again I pray that she's not waiting for a sign from the Bilderberger's!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. I doubt the Bilderbergers are on Bush's side.

.

[ComerPerro]

2. No thanks

Hillary running is a rightwing fantasy.

[ShaneGR]

3. My prediction for August 2003

Some people will still be predicting a Hillary run.

It's not going to happen!

[Bandit]

4. A Dean/Clinton ticket would be awesome but.............

How many times does she have to say it. She ain't running.

[NicRic]

62. Clark /Clinton souds better !

Actually I believe the Dem dream team would be Gore/Clark ! I doubt Clinton would be the V.P. for anyone in reality, at least not in 2004 .Now if a Dem wins in 2004 I believe she would consider V.P. in 2008 ,setting herself up for a 2012 run for the White House. I still believe strongly,that at this point the Dems would be very united behind a second Gore win ! I still believe we can make this missed oppertunity a reality by drafting Gore at the convention !

[xray s]

5. Ha!

Another freeper wet dreamer...they sure are worried they won't have a Clinton to run against this year.

[Kurovski]

47. LOL

yes,LOL

[lewiston]

61. Yeah

A freeper wet dream... a Dean nightmare.

[Sterling]

6. not

:puke:

[Closer]

7. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I just spit up my coke!


Thanks for this!

[Egnever]

8. I'll pass

Not interested in the least.

Hillary running would be a disaster right now. Bush ios on the defensive right now bringing the clintons back in at this point would only fire up the righties and send them to the polls in droves.

[CityZen-X]

10. Don't Forget The Lefties!

And in turn it would fire up the Lefties! Let us not forget the majority of American's are Liberal.

[bobbyboucher]

11. Are you for real?

Just curious. Cause it sure doesn't sound like it.

[CityZen-X]

15. Your Not Voting?

Am I for real! As real as I feel and know what it will take to beat Bu$h*t!
Or do you not believe that the majority of American's are liberal? Think again, don't let the propaganda machines implant distortions inbetween the Cadillac commercials.

[bobbyboucher]

28. I'm not so sure you are.

The Repukes are salivating at the prospect of Hillary running. It would be the biggest simultaneous orgasm ever experienced in world history.

It just sounds funny that you are promoting it. Funny peculiar not funny ha ha, by the way. Why anyone would come to DU and try to gin up support for a Hillary run, which the right-wing fucks dream about, and therefore would turn all rational debate into a smear Hillary orgy, is beyond me. Very odd.

Yes, I vote.

[CityZen-X]

30. Your Wrong

I am sorry my liberal friend but you are wrong. This concept is not my own, you might want to question the intelligence of one Bernie Ward, and a Ray Taliaferro (KGO Radio San Francisco). And alot of Democrats that know that we have to get a winning formula, and a representative in the White House.
And as far as the statistics go that claim that American's are more liberal than not, check out Michael Moore's #1 Best Seller "Hey Dude...Where's My Country?"

[ComerPerro]

12. The majority of Americans don't know what they are

The majority is not liberal, the majority is not conservative. The majority is whatever the politicians tell them they are. Why do you think so many morons out there vote for Republican, when it only ends up hurting them (since they aren't in the upper class)? They fall for the bullshit rhetoric.
Surely you don't believe that everyone who voted for Bush did so because they love jingoism and fascism.

And, no, Hillary does not have any magic about her that will really energize the left of America. Dean is already doing it, Kucinich is already doing it, hell, even Clark is doing it.

All that Hillary running would bring about would be tons of right wing assholes screaming, "See, I told you so!!!". And then the fundraising would begin.

Imagine it! "Hillary hates America! Hillary wants to take your guns away! Hillary wants to take all of your money and give it to communists!"

Maybe you should think things through a little more.

[Egnever]

16. sory

hillary is ok but she doesnt inspire me even a little. I would take her over bush but then I would take sponge bob over bush.

There is certainly a lot of hillary lovers out there but there an equal amount if not more hillary haters.

[CityZen-X]

26. Battle Of The Despised?

I would like to believe that there are more Bu$h*t haters in this world.

[NicRic]

63. Wrong ,most are moderate !

Clinton was the master at knowing this and working within this ,by taking both sides veiw and making policy with something for everyone !

[MoonAndSun]

9. No we must not....

and she said she is not running in 2004.

Freepers and wingers have dreams about Hillary (and it is spelled with 2 ll's) so let them have them.

[papau]

13. A Dean/Clinton ticket would be awesome - but it has to be a draft and

then its Dean's choice.

I think it would work out great!

The Hillary haters already vote GOP - so it is all pick up.

The GOP GOTV effort will be huge and effective and not made more effective by Hillary being on the ticket.

She locks down the Midwest for Dean - but if Dean had a mountain state or South other than Florida hope, she also kills that hope (Florida will still go Dem)

[AndyTiedye]

43. The Fix is In

> (Florida will still go Dem)

Sorry, Florida may *vote* Democratic, but it will GO Republican regardless.

[mdmc]

58. vote gop? why not green?

Hillary haters could not vote or vote green ~ independant. I'm a new yorker that is less than impressed with hill's leadership.

[DemVet]

67. Clinton/Dean would be better...

...and more likely to be elected.

[HILLARY SUPPORTER]

99. CLINTON/CLARK

Hillary would never pick Dean! I would like to see a Clinton/Clark ticket. Clinton/Dean will NEVER happen!

[Liberal Veteran]

14. *yawn*

Methinks someone "misunderstimates" our intelligence.

[CityZen-X]

17. In Some Sectors.....

Overestimates!

[Andy_Stephenson]

18. Didn't hillary vote for the Patriot Act

War and Homeland Gestapo? You can vote for her. I certainly will not.

[Texas_Dem]

19. uh

no thanks.

[1971]

20. Clark/Clinton, maybe...

...but I still think Hill is committed to staying the course as NY Senator. That said, if Clark won the Democratic nomination, and chose Hill for his VP, then there's the possibility for 8 yrs of Pres. Clark and a successive 8 yrs of President Hillary Clinton. Wow. She'd have earned the country's trust by performing well as a VP, so when she runs for Prez, it's not such a far stretch for the public to see her as Prez.

[CityZen-X]

25. Good Scenerio!

I like that scenerio!

[Timefortruth]

21. No, no and no.

There are several combinations out there in the race now that are winners. She needs to pay some dues in the Senate.

[CityZen-X]

24. She Has Paid Dues In The White House

Paid dues? I beg to differ-what dues have Clark, and Dean paid?

[Timefortruth]

29. I'm not going to fight about it.

She gave her word that she would serve her term, she needs to keep it.

The others you mention didn't make any promises.

See it any way you wish, my way is that it is not her time. If she got the nomination I'd vote for her. I would not campaign for her, this is not her year.

[mlawson]

22. Dean woud cease to exist, as a candidate.

The repuke media whores would obsess over her, 24/7. Vince Foster. Travelgate. Whitewater. All the time, until November 2004. The masses would think that all those 'scandals' had happened this year, by the time it's over.

"Dean?? Oh, yeah, I think he is Hillary's runing mate. Must be a commie, too!!!"

[Ardee]

23. have more faith in your nation

Four more years of Bush is not going to destroy America by any means, so take a deep breath.

Hillary has made a promise to the voters of NY and will honor it. But how about Clinton for minority leader!

[1971]

34. Four more years of Bush is not going to destroy America ??

Depends... what about his penchant to incite other nations to develop nuclear weapons, and if the US can built 'designer nukes' then so can other nations, and use them. Maybe not American people, but what about the American and the world environment? The Navy killing off all sea life with their military sonar tests, unabated dumping of toxic chemicals by gleefully profitable corporations big and small, etc etc etc! I do not want to entrust my country to another 4 dangerous years.

[Padraig18]

27. I'll pass. n/t

[maveric]

31. In this redneck, neo-christian nation, there is NO WAY a liberal woman

with the last name of Clinton getting elected. No way in hell!

[arewethereyet]

32. No we don't, run Edwards, win White House

its simple !

[Kathleen04]

33. Hillary..

is too polarizing of a figure. Either you love her or you hate her. I would vote for her against Bush*, but I think she has the ability to turn-off undecided voters, therefore I would never vote for her in a primary.

[1971]

35. Can you get any more polarizing than GW Bush?

Besides, there are an awful lot of people who never come to the polls to vote... a lot of them are women. Polarizing or not, a lot of women will go to the polls to give a woman the chance to be President.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. Geraldine Ferraro might disagree with that.....

But let's be honest, so many people are poisoned by nearly 12 years of hate radio Hillary bashing that we could very easily lose a lot of swing voters who might choose an unknown moderate democrat over Bush. Hillary has gotten a bad rap and the right wingers would pour out in droves to vote against her.

[CityZen-X]

39. That's The Ticket!

That was one of my thoughts as I posted this idea (not entirely my own) that the women would come out in droves to vote for her. And especially after the sales of her best selling book, which could be used as a indicator of popularity or familiarity.
Then the Dean faithfull turning out for the ticket, along with alot of other factors presents a winning formula.

[Marines for Clark]

37. The Clintons have made known that they are anti-Dean and Pro Clark

[NicRic]

70. More pro-Clark ,then anti Dean !

I dont believe because they may support one of the Dems running that makes the anti any of the others. They simply ,like most of us have a certain one they are more in favor of over another .Iam not anti Dean because he is not my frist choice . I would gladly vote for any of the Dems, I want bush out in 2004 ! If that means voting for a Dem I wasnt supporting , so be it !

[wuushew]

38. Some strange info in your personal information

For a quote you have "Comment When everything appears to be coming your way-you just might be in the wrong lane!. In America since we drive on the right are you implying the left is the wrong lane?


Shelter Cove (no such place)
State Caleefonia (spelling)
Country America
Hobby Dain Bamage Surgery

[CityZen-X]

42. Please No Mis-quotes

"When everything appears to be heading your way" is my statement. Which is from my perspective meaning, that if everything is going your way, such as (wealth, women, power, god persona, ect....)" you just might be in the wrong lane!" It's an esoterical thing I brought forth through the teachings of the great Ozley many moons ago.
Bottom line Wuushew, my mind can be a terrible thang.
God bless you with mir, paz, salaam, and all the peace's!

[CityZen-X]

45. No Shelter Cove!

We have been wiped out of existence and we did not know it! I better tell all of my neighbors that we don't have to pay taxes anymore!
Were glad of our non existence status here, from our perspective everywhere else does not exist either. Oh by the way Caleefonia is the new title of our state, so deemed by our new Furuer Awnold Swinehoontnegger. I heard him say this when he took his oaf!

[ramapo]

40. Why bother with these inane suggestions?

I hate to be rude but one can't make this suggestion seriously.

Hillary stated in no uncertain terms she is not running. I can't even imagine the anti-Hillary ads. She would be crucified.

It's a really, really bad idea.

[MrSlayer]

41. She can't win.

There is no way in hell she'll ever get elected. This country isn't ready for a woman President and I don't know that they ever will be in my lifetime.

[CityZen-X]

44. Are You Kidding?

Not ready for a woman to be president? After Bu$h*t were ready to vote in a death, dumb, and blind boy, who can't play a mean pinball!

[arewethereyet]

54. Tommy would have a better chance

but face facts, she aint gonna do it.

the only was is if she knew she would be a lead pipe cinch to win and that just isn't so.

[ecstatic]

52. A lot of these comments reek of sexism

Seriously, is that where all the negativity is coming from on this board?

[SahaleArm]

57. Sexism is reality.

America was and still is patriarchal in nature.

[1songbird]

46. If anyone is drafted it needs to be Al Gore

It was such a big mistake for Al not to run. The GOP had basically thrown their best crap at Al and he still won. There would not have been any surprises with him as our nominee as I fear will be the case now with the fore-runners.

[bowens43]

65. Gore couldn't beat bush. BTW, he didn't win.

He's a lousy campaigner. He had everything going for him and he blew it. He made the right choice.

[1songbird]

72. Gore did beat bush.

Recounts in Florida after the Supreme Court decision proved this. I don't think he was a lousy campaigner at all. The media did a serious hatchet job on Gore. Compared to the Democratic field that we have today, Gore kicks butt.

[PVnRT]

48. Sure, if you want Bush to be re-elected

Seriously, people who would otherwise possibly vote Democrat next year wouldn't simply because it's Hilary. You underestimate the absolute venom the name "Clinton" produces all over the country.

[Liberal Veteran]

49. I don't believe that for a moment....

I'll be really honest here and say that I mistrust the motives of anyone who thinks that running Hillary Clinton in 2004 (yet cannot spell her name properly) is a great idea at this point in the game.

[Beaker]

50. No. Hillary is unelectable nationwide.

she's a lightning rod for RW hate. Her name on the ticket would mean a sure loss for the Democratic Party.

[ecstatic]

51. Its a shame that some Dems/Liberals have bought into the right-wing hatred

of Hilary Clinton. I happen to really like Clinton. Apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way, as I'm sure many of you have seen the polls that put Clinton as much as 3 times higher in the polls than any Dem candidate. All I hear on the boards is that we need to nominate someone who can win: Dean can win, Clinton can win, but not if we keep tearing them down and repeating this false idea that Americans need Democrats to be like the Republicans.

[CityZen-X]

73. YES TRUTH

One thing that bothers me so, is the negativity towards H.R. Clinton. Some of it sexist, and some of it I swear could be coming from Rethug trolls, if I didn't know any better.
The only hatred I have heard directed towards Hillary has come from the neo-con, radio butt-puppets. Has the brain wash taken effect?

[frank frankly]

53. why don't we just appoint an emperor and be done with it

we
need
TURNOVER!!!!

I can't believe people want this.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

55. Clinton/Dean or Dean/Clinton...yeah, THAT's the ticket!

Come on man, maybe in your dreams, but how badly would such a due get trounced? Every rightwinger in the country would vote, and they'd vote TWICE. And Diebold would be working extra-hard on that election day..

[fujiyama]

56. No Thank You...

Her only advantage...is name recognition. Then again Lieberman has e name recognition, but I don't have much confidence in his ability to beat Bush. Also, I hardly see any indication that Hillary's foreign policy would be any better than Lieberman's (actually I think it'd be worse). She still supported the war, corporate giveaways like the bankruptcy "reform" (which her husband VETOED). Not to mention the patriot act. She also meets makes idiotic statements praising Pakistan's role in "fighting terrorism" (funny, because I hear the same BS from the administration).

I don't know about others, but I'd vote for Lieberman over her in the primaries. I also believe, if there's one person more polarizing than Bush*, it's Hillary. She wouldn't really have much of a chance.

[Rowdyboy]

59. What a joke....

Thank God only a few people are taking the bait. Yeah, you sound like you support Hillary.

BTW, you guys have really sucky coordination. Starting a thread on the subject every 10-12 hours isn't gonna do you any good. Believe it or not, we can tell time too. But if it keeps you busy and off FR, then why not...

[mdmc]

60. HELP!!!

My local news rag www.th-record.com has two letters to the editor today bashing Hillary for going to Iraq. I thought of responding, but she has been so bad as a rep (such poor, distant leadership, unlike hard travelin Chuck Schumer) that I can't bear to defend her. The best I could do was write, "She wanted to visit the troops and relish the war that she voted for." I said nothing instead.

[bowens43]

64. She would lose.

Most of the Democrats I know would sit home before they would vote for Hillary and she would definitely energize the right.

[NicRic]

71. Hillary's time will come !

However I agree that this is not "her time" ! I actually felt and still feel that Gore could have corrected things by running .The party would be more united at this point ! Many would have got out and voted ,that now seem uninterested in the process ! With bushes money and power over the media ,we need a populist like Gore ! Another missed oppertunity ?

[leftynyc]

66. I've said this on many other threads

if Hilary breaks her promise to New Yorkers to serve out her term, she wont even take New York. I know I would be furious and have family members who worked very hard on her campaign who just wouldn't vote (they wont vote for *, they just wont vote).

[Stuckinthebush]

68. Not at all

Hilary is too polarizing of a figure. As it stands now, the Republicans could have a depressed turn out. If Hilary was the nominee, then they would turn out in droves.

Not yet.

[mmonk]

69. Dean/Clinton I don't think would work

maybe Clark/Clinton.

[HILLARY SUPPORTER]

74. Draft Hillary?

There are already 2 "Draft Hillary" movements out there. I am a big supporter of her and I would love to see Hillary oust Bush in 2004! But, I feel Hillary will know when the right time is to run, so I will leave it up to her judgement. If she really wants 2004, she will put her hat in the ring. I think she's really looking at 2008 - I just don't know if Bush can be beat and I'm sure she feels the same way.

[CityZen-X]

76. Bu$h*t Will Be Beat!

Why she would wait until 2004 perplexes me. Why would anyone want to clean up the wrath of another 4-years of this vile, odious regime. Our country cannot endure 4 more years of Bu$h*t, let alone the world!

[oasis]

77. The Chimperor CAN be beat by half of the Dems already in the race.

People who are serious about winning should channel their energy into supporting them.

[CityZen-X]

78. Chimperor Indeed

You are correct we need to support our candidate in every way possible. I am in support of Howard Dean and will work harder than most to insure his Presidency.

I started this premise as a parallax view. It has been quite interesting to say the least.

[poskonig]

75. Only if "my candidate" + Clinton

Everyone is so predictable...........

Meanwhile, can we stop with the "draft" nonsense? The field is large enough as it is, and four or five of the candidates are solid.

[Name removed]

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[CityZen-X]

82. High Poster

I take it that you are a high poster (pun intended). What is it then, do we all become equal after attaining 1000+ posts?

I began my commitment to the Democrat Party the night Robert Kennedy was assassinated. I was knocking on doors in West Oakland, Ca. turning out the vote. I have and still remain loyal, regardless!

[Name removed]

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[CityZen-X]

89. Kettle Calling The Pot Black?

We must be in the same boat 1000+. Check out your post #79. I was only mimicing your label. Busted!

Don't let that healthy skepticism turn into paranoia. (as in delusions of grandeur)

May God bless you with Mir, Paz, Salaam, & all the Peaces.

[moz4prez]

87. high poster?

where is the pun?

[Name removed]

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[CityZen-X]

90. #79

Are you reffering to post #79? Before he edits.

[Name removed]

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. Hillary voted for the war. No way I would vote for her.

She can join the other 4 rose garden heroes and sing along with Junior.

We can do better than that.

[eissa]

81. No we don't

Her running will simply enforce the stereotype the freepers have been talking about non-stop for 12 years. I do like the Clintons; I believe Bill was the BEST president we've had in years. But I would really lose respect for Hillary if she were to run now. She's given her word that she wouldn't and she should stick with it. I do like the idea of her replacing Daschle as minority leader!

[moz4prez]

83. are you kidding???

this is a terrible idea, "my liberal friend"

she WOULD get trounced, make no bones about it, AND she would doubtless overshadow whomever chose her as running mate!!! the vast majority of people don't understand what a boon the clinton administration was and they DON"T LIKE THE CLINTONS and PREFER THE BUSH DYNASTY because THE CLINTONS did not prop themselves up over the rest of AMerica. They were perceived as opportunists, shrewd, cunning, politcally savvy, unrespectable. The Bush clan, on the other hand, at least held itself to an entirely different moral standard, thereby distinguishing itself from "the rabble" and the rest of the political mainstream.

you see, those who didn't like Gore in 2000 didn't like him because his victory was not seen as OUR victory. the same goes for Hillary, I'm afraid.

[maha]

85. This is a joke, right?

Or else you are a Freeper Troll.

[latebloomer]

86. Hillary will never become President in a million years!

The Right reviles her, and she has turned off a large percentage of the Left by her "going along to get along"-- most glaringly her votes on the Iraq war and the Patriot Act.

She is not to be trusted, and she is cannot be counted on when push comes to shove.

[ramapo]

91. Why would she win?

Look I don't dislike her. I'm glad she got elected to the Senate. I'm not sure how good a job she's doing but that's beside the point.

What unique abilities does she offer that would make people vote for her?

[CityZen-X]

93. Image Is Everything

Probably for all the wrong reasons. The womens vote for one. Women will vote for her! And they relate to her, because of her cheating husband, and other family matters. Her book indicates an interest in her, being that it was a best seller. Maybe voting a woman into power would be a refreshing change. She knows the ins and outs of D.C. Lets face it the women is no dummy. She was a popular 1st Lady.
Image is everything in America, substinence is a lesser. Just ask those who voted for RayGoon! I am looking for a way we can take back our country. I fancied the notion of a Clinton/Dean tix as a variation on a theme. A Dean/Clinton would work in a more mysterious way, I am certain of it.
This post was a what if? Not a dogma.

[Wonk]

94. You spelled her name wrong, btw. I wish this thread would just die. nt

[CityZen-X]

95. My Apology

I know I did. But I did not misspell Clinton. Hill is so much more apropos than Hil, pertaining to D.C. that is.

Mir.

[catzies]

98. Sorry, but you're still not quite correct.

SENATOR CLINTON is what's apropos.

IMO, continuing calling her just by her first name demeans a woman of her accomplishments and stature.

Have a nice day, and a belated welcome to DU.

[HILLARY SUPPORTER]

101. Referred to as Hillary....

Remember when they first took office and someone asked who how she would like to be addressed? Well, her reply was "HILLARY", just call me Hillary!

[evil_orange_cat]

96. NOOOOOOO!!! plus Dean would not do it...

He's not only running against Bush, but the Washington Establishment. Anything Clinton represents what Dean is running against... pro-corporate de-regulation, etc...

[HILLARY SUPPORTER]

97. CLINTON/CLARK

I WOULD RATHER SEE A CLINTON/CLARK TICKET. I DON'T LIKE DEAN.

[oasis]

100. HEARD YOU THE FIRST AND SECOND TIME.