Clinton sez Dean is no Progressive!

[cryofan]

Dean is NOT a progressive. How much is he saying he increased social spending in Vermont over the time he was there? 14%?

Look at what Clinton said about Dean:
"Clinton told the Associated Press that though Dean is perceived as a liberal, people should "look at what he did as governor of Vermont," a reference to Dean's 11-year track record as a moderate Democrat willing to stand up to the state's powerful left against demands for increased social spending. "


Now you go on now and just tell me that Clinton was some kind of progressive. Just go on and tell me that...and I will tell you now that if Clinton likes Dean, then I do NOT like Dean.....because Dean is NOT a progressive!

http://www.thestranger.com/2003-05-22/city6.html

[wndycty]

1. Link?

Oh oh, I guess Clinton will now be attacked and labeled as irrelevant.

[ShaneGR]

15. This thread should be locked, it's VERY misleading

First off, it's a link from May. Second off, here's the exact quote contained within:

Bill Clinton, the best-known New Democrat, also undercut the DLC stance. Clinton told the Associated Press that though Dean is perceived as a liberal, people should "look at what he did as governor of Vermont," a reference to Dean's 11-year track record as a moderate Democrat willing to stand up to the state's powerful left against demands for increased social spending. Clinton also cited Dean's recently released health care plan--which is supposed to provide coverage to 31 million uninsured Americans at less than half the cost of the competing proposal by rival Dick Gephardt.

[cryofan]

25. if this thread is locked, just rename forum to deanunderground.com

.....that would be more descriptive....

[He loved Big Brother]

2. Dear Clinton,

Meet kettle.

[liberalnurse]

3. So, whats your point?

Which Clinton said this and why does it matter? I't changes nothing in my support.

[maxanne]

4. your last statement

makes little sense, cryofan. It is nice of you to stop by for a brisk round of candidate bashing, however.

Clinton - by the way, was no liberal and no progressive himself.

[cryofan]

6. I agree--Clinton was no liberal or progressive, and he likes Dean because.

....Dean is no liberal or progressive, either. Dean is a Bush clone with blueblood pedigree exactly like Bush. Fine, but the problem is that so many DUers claim Dean is a Progressive! He is NOT!

[cryofan]

10. Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss

Clinton ~= Bush ~= Dean

[AWD]

18. "so many DUers claim Dean is a progressive"

DUers already know that Dean is not progressive. He has issues that run all over the place, but he gets the job done.......go find me 10 DUers posts that claim he's a progressive. You say "so many" of us do....surely finding 10 of the 35,000 DUers won't be that hard of a task.

Or were you fudging facts just to bash somebody?????

WE KNOW who the progressive candidate is. Your hatred and flame wars are nothing new, and it only serves to divide people more. Please try to act like the rest of the Kucinich supporters here...they are the most respectful and loving group on DU, but your post places you FAR away from them right now.

Now, off you go. You have 10 DUers to find. Go!

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Clinton

ought to know what a non-progressive is, being one and all.

[lancemurdoch]

27. Exactly

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Clinton began his campaign by running back to Arkansas to execute a retarded man, and a couple of years later we have NAFTA, "the end of welfare as we know it...the era of big government is over". Who the hell is the DLC's golden boy to talk about progressive values...give me a break.

Not to say whether Dean is progressive or not...but this is one source that can safely be ignored.

[Le Taz Hot]

7. To all candidate supporters and habitual bashers

Put your time and effort where your mouth is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=815516

[CMT]

8. it is true

Dean is a Clinton Democrat. He has done some progressive things but he has also balanced budgets. Clinton is trying to defend Dean against the charge that he (Dean) is too liberal to win a general election.

[Octafish]

9. Dean is a phony.

No matter how the Deanie-weenies spin him, The Nation article
shows this guy's a hack, political and otherwise.

Dean-a-Palooza
A Front-Runner Takes to the Skies

by Matt Taibbi

It is the second day of Howard Dean's nine-city "Sleepless
Summer Tour," and I'm standing on the tarmac at the airport in
Portland, Oregon. I'm at the back of a long line of reporters to get
onto the Dean campaign plane, nauseatingly dubbed the
"Grassroots Express" by the candidate's staff. Waiting for me in
my seat in the plane is a tuft of plastic grass; Dean's two bubbly
communications aides, Patricia Enright and Courtney O'Donnell,
thusly decorated the press section before the start of the trip.

It has been a long day already. The Dean rally at Portland State
University earlier that afternoon drew about 5,000 people, an
enormous number for a presidential campaign at this stage.
Everywhere Howard Dean goes these days, he draws huge
crowds. In Milwaukee the night before, nearly 1,000 people
showed up at an airplane hangar late at night during a Packers
game just to hear the candidate give a fifteen-minute speech.
One local reporter in the crowd commented that Jesus Christ
probably would have drawn 850. Everywhere you go, the buzz is
unmistakable: Dean is the new liberal Elvis.

But right now, I'm not thinking about Elvis. I'm thinking about
Crazy Eddie. That's because Dean at this very moment is
standing apart from the crowd of reporters in front of the nose of
the plane, doing what appeared to be his best impersonation of
the famously manic New York home-electronics salesman. He's
posing in front of campaign photographer John Pettitt, making a
series of grotesque contortions--pointing variously at the camera
and off to the side, making a rapid-fire series of painful-looking
grins, puffing out his chest, giving an energetic dual thumbs-up.

"Check that out," I say to the other reporters in line. "I don't want
to sell anything--I'm just CRAZZEEE!"

Continued...

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031006&s=taibbi

[Stuckinthebush]

13. But you will vote for him if he gets the nomination?

Right?

[Octafish]

19. Yes. I prefer to vote for a Liberal Democrat, however.

That means I want a progressive Democrat, one who understands how to use the power of the federal government to make the country a better place for ALL Americans.

"A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight,
and too fat to run."

— Elbert Hubbard

[CWebster]

21. Especially one that wants Baker on his team

Damn, time to kick that thread up again.

[Octafish]

24. So, you prefer Coward Dean?

That means you want four more years of Bush.

[molly]

26. You guys need to get your facts straight...

"The presidential candidate from Massachusetts, in a speech Wednesday to the Council of Foreign Relations in New York, said there are a handful of people he would consider naming to the post, including former Democratic Presidents Clinton and Carter as well as James Baker, secretary of state in the first Bush White House."

I would hope any logical, thinking presidential candidate would CONSIDER using ANYONE to get us out of our current foreign policy mess.

Let's not let the rage and anger of some candidates - who, BTW, have absolutely NO foreign policy saavy - influence what is good for our country.

p.s. your thread got locked

[Stuckinthebush]

22. Good

On both counts.

:)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. "willing to stand up to the state's powerful left"

The Powerful Vermont Left! Those poor corporations needed help to get the jackboots of the Mighty Vermont Left from off their necks!

[wndycty]

12. LOL. . .

Some people are bashing Clinton in this thread because they believe he was attacking Dean and others are bashing Clinton because they believe he was backing Dean. The reality is we really don't know what he is doing. This is a priceless DU moment.

[Hep]

14. thestranger.com?

Hmmm. I always understood the stranger to be when you sit on your hand for ten minutes before, uh, you know. I guess the site isn't much different.

Why not focus on what YOU think. Dean isn't progressive enough. Fine. Good luck with DK. But to not support someone because of who defends them is pretty shallow.

[Bucky]

16. Your point seems to be that you vote for the label, not the candidate

Your point seems superficial.

[cosmicdot]

17. the article is dated May 2003 ... I don't know if Pres. Clinton said that

or not ... it doesn't seem like something former Presidents should be saying: commenting on any of those who might be the Party's standardbearer in 2004 ... it strikes me as hardly statesmanlike ... the article quotes Associated Press without a link or author ... having observed AP since the stolen election, its 'reports' should be scrutinized ...

[Loonman]

20. Clinton is right

Dean can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. Dean is a moderate -- his website says so

A common-sense moderate who firmly believes that social justice can only be accomplished through strong financial management, Governor Dean has cut the income tax twice, removed the sales tax on most clothing, and reduced the state's long-term debt. Not only did the governor pay off an inherited $70 million deficit, he worked with lawmakers to build "rainy day" reserves to help the state through any future economic downturn.


http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=about_biography

And his being a moderate is fine with me. I would rather have another Bill Clinton running in 2004 that another Michael Dukakis.