Look what else Dean has been up to...

[wyldwolf]

Howard Dean, Yukka Mountain, Sierra Blanca, big business...

---snip---

The Associated Press reported back in 2002 that Dean's early fund-raising was boosted significantly by Vermont's electric utilities, including Robert Young of Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp. Young and Dean, the AP reports, have had a "long and friendly" relationship.

Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp. CEO Ross Barkhurst, of course, joined the rest of his industry in praising President Bush's decision to move forward on Yucca after years of delays under the administration of former President Bill Clinton. In February 2002, the AP quoted Barkhurst as saying "this is a giant step forward."

In 1996, when Dean was still governor of Vermont, he wrote a letter to then-Republican U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords of his home state, urging Jeffords to support a bill that would have set up an interim nuclear waste dump at Yucca. Dean gamely explained to the Review-Journal's Erin Neff on Tuesday that "I wanted to get that stuff out of my state" but added that "now that I'm running for president, I've seen the light."

Both U.S. Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., voted against overriding Gov. Kenny Guinn's veto of President Bush's action to move the dump forward last year, as did U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton. Kerry opposed the 1996 interim storage bill that Dean seemed so eager to persuade Jeffords to approve, and said last year there were "too many unanswered questions" to allow Yucca to go forward... By the way, Kerry represents a state with one active and one decommissioned nuclear power plant, giving him plenty of reason to support Yucca. You know, to get that stuff out of his state.

Lucky for us that, even before they decide to run for president, some people have principles that don't change.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Oct-30-Thu-2003/opinion/22478150.html

For that special someone:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=817779&mesg_id=817779

[sangh0]

1. But, but, but

Dean put out statements that he is an environmentalist. It must be true. You must be working for Karl Rove.

[_NorCal_D_]

4. Dean

is infallible! When he talks, people listen! B-)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

83. Dean vs. Clark will kill us all

The problem is I generally tend to agree with both the Dean critics and the Clark critics. Either Dean or Clark, and we're going to get a neo-liberal administration, with most of the same Clinton people in charge, and we'll all go to sleep because the RHETORIC will change from Bush's black and white fanaticism to a smoother style of political speech.

We'll be in Iraq for years, regardless of which party, Republican or Democratic, has the presidency. As far as I remember, only Kucinich has flat out said we'll bring the troops home ASAP. Everyone else is coming up with clever excuses for our occupation of Iraq and our corporations controlling it's oil.

I'm going to start printing my Clean/Dark 2004 stickers now.

[XanaDUer]

10. LOL!

eom.

[wyldwolf]

17. Love the kudos on Kerry not selling out in the piece...

[blm]

2. Vermont Yankee? Isn't that a Koch brothers firm?

.

[KittyWampus]

5. You Mean The CATO INSTITUTE Koch Bros.?

Gee, Dean was lionized by the CATO Institute.

Now isn't that special....

[Scott Lee]

3. Dean bash redux. (You guys are running out of material).

How many times are you going to post this thread?

[sangh0]

6. Attacck the critics, ignore the issues

Not one word about Nevada

[wyldwolf]

9. My first ever, Scott... and did you have a problem with this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=817779&mesg_id=817779

No, didn't think so!

[Hep]

16. I felt good yesterday

seeing people from all over the primary spectrum dressing you down for your mindless Dean bash. I was naive to think it was a turning point in this forum. Maybe not so many bashing threads. Alas.

What can i say? The vitriol aimed at Dean is helping our campaign. Keep it up.

[wyldwolf]

25. Why Hep, did you not participate in this other thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=817779&mesg_id=817779

saying, "...I'm not about to blindly claim that this is NOTHING. How do you dismiss it so readily?" ... about Clark?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hypocrite

[Hep]

30. I did participate

And I clearly demonstrated my objectivity. I wanted people there to tell me WHY it was a nonissue. I haven't done any research on the subject and am not willing to vilify him for something I don't the minimum required facts about.

What exactly is your problem with that, other than your apparent disdain for objectivity in general?

[Hep]

52. COME ON WYLDWOLF

Let's put the rest of my post in there so that we have some context:

"I'm not going to comment as to how I feel about the allegations until I know more"

This just proves to me that you have NO interest in being open and honest about this or any other issue. Your willingness to remove context is evidence of an unbearably low regard for integrity.

[Hep]

60. One Last Time.

I'm off to my Dean meetup. Are you going to own up to this?

[wyldwolf]

96. Do you not think people have a life outside of DU? You plainly said...

"...I'm not about to blindly claim that this is NOTHING. How do you dismiss it so readily?" ... about Clark?

Yet, you dimiss the points on Dean so readily.

Quote: "The vitriol aimed at Dean is helping our campaign." Vitriol? Sounds dismissive to me...

[wyldwolf]

103. COME ON HEP!

bwahahahahahaha!

[wyldwolf]

107. one last time...

:)

[xultar]

46. How is this a Bash? He simply stated facts, I don't get it? n/t

[Hep]

48. Simply stated facts?

Do you really want me to believe that you don't know the difference between facts and editorializing?

[wyldwolf]

98. Here are the facts of the article:

In 1996, when Dean was still governor of Vermont, he wrote a letter to then-Republican U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords of his home state, urging Jeffords to support a bill that would have set up an interim nuclear waste dump at Yucca. FACT

Dean said to the Review-Journal's Erin Neff on Tuesday that "I wanted to get that stuff out of my state" but added that "now that I'm running for president, I've seen the light." FACT

Dean refused to renounce Yucca Mountain entirely, saying only that he'd stop work on the project while he reviews the science. That's consistent with what he told the online magazine Grist in a May 21 interview: "As governor of Vermont, it (Yucca) was a grand idea because it would get the waste out of Vermont. But now that I'm running for president, I've got to reassess it and see what the science looks like." FACT

The Associated Press reported back in 2002 that Dean's early fund-raising was boosted significantly by Vermont's electric utilities, including Robert Young of Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp. Young and Dean, the AP reports, have had a "long and friendly" relationship. FACT

Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp. CEO Ross Barkhurst, praided President Bush's decision to move forward on Yucca after years of delays under the administration of former President Bill Clinton. In February 2002, the AP quoted Barkhurst as saying "this is a giant step forward." FACT

Both U.S. Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., voted against overriding Gov. Kenny Guinn's veto of President Bush's action to move the dump forward last year, as did U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton. Kerry opposed the 1996 interim storage bill that Dean seemed so eager to persuade Jeffords to approve, FACT

...in FACT, the editorial is full of FACTS.

[Scott Lee]

102. Problem with your post - see, Eloriel isnt a serial hate redux artist

Go for a record, wolf.....see if you can post this thread again later tonight! I'll be watching.

[wyldwolf]

104. Of course she is... and is well know for it..

...you, perhaps, agree with her so she doesn't appear to be a "a serial hate redux artist."

[_NorCal_D_]

13. Perhaps this is more to your liking:

Dean: Champion Of The Environment?
http://www.americandaily.com/item/2506

<snip>
And that is where Dr. Dean began inserting his foot in his mouth. What he failed to tell the environmentally minded individuals of San Francisco was that he owns an interest in timberland valued at between $100,001 and $250,000.
</snip>

[Hep]

7. Google is great!

Type in "the case against __________" and you can find anything!

It's an editorial. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm not surprised that there are Dean critics at newspapers.

[wyldwolf]

11. Are you saying the facts he wrote are just his opinion?

Did he make them all up? :eyes:

[Hep]

21. Make what up?

Dean owns up to the FACTS of the situation. The interpretation of his motive, his underlying agenda, and his character are his opinion. Stick with me here.

[sangh0]

12. Another Deanie forgets to defend Dean

and his position on nuclear waste. I'm sure it's just an oversight and a defense will soon be mounted

[KittyWampus]

18. Actually Dean Puts Nevada Out Of Play For Democrats

Bush might lose Nevada cause of his stance on Yucca but Dean negates this positive for the Democratic Party

[Hep]

24. Get real

What do you really know about the political climate in Nevada?

[sangh0]

43. Hey Hep! You keep forgetting to defend Dean

I'm sure you can do it. I know you can! I know you can!

[lifelong_Dem]

8. And the lefty-left continues its march into political irrelevancy

n/t

[killbotfactory]

14. Dean wants a main nuke waste dump

as long as the science and technology is there to support it's transport and secure the location.

I tend to agree, and think that having many nuclear dump sites throughout the country makes us less secure than a main site that's well built and guarded.

[sangh0]

20. One problem

The science and technology isn't there.

[KittyWampus]

22. Yes, But Dean's Actions As Governor Will Lose Him Nevada

Bush has jeopardized his support there and Dean negates this possiblity for Democrats to win there.

[seventhson]

27. I agree 100% and urge people to go to radiation.org to learn more

This is not a black and white issue.

My family suffers from exposure to waste and effluents from nuke plants near my home.

A plant nearby is leaking into the groundwater and it has been documented from Brookhaven on Long Island as in the wells nearby.

This is serious shit and I am glad the doctor wanted to get thge danger as far as he could away.

This bodes well in my opinion.

At least he was not financing coups against democracies in Latin America like Clark.

[wtmusic]

37. Not to mention

the geology of the site will remain stable for at least 10,000 years.

The argument is not about 'not in my back yard'--it's about 'not in our water table'.

[seventhson]

15. I pity Kerry's constituernts who have to live with the waste.

This is a very difficult issue, but I actually tend to agree with Dean on this one. Protecting HIS state as Governor was his #1 priority.

I wish MY governbor had the balls to get the nuke waste out of my back yard.

I agree with Dean -- he was trying to potect his constituents as was his sworn duty. The waste is the federal governments problem and Kerry is the failure for not stopping the production of MORE waste and letting the p;lants continue to generate waste.

Nonissue. Plus this was years ago. Clark was working for Bush's pals just last year.

[BayCityProgressive]

26. I am very unknowledgable on this subject

if they don't put it at Yucca what else could be done with it?

[sangh0]

31. Stop making it

Creating a place to dump the waste, safe or not, at taxpayer expense, is EXACTLY what the nuclear industry has been praying for, because it justifies their continued existence by removing the most difficult to defend argument against nuclear power.

[HFishbine]

41. Is Kerry for

shutting down nuclear power, or just for having he waste stored throughout the country?

[sangh0]

45. Kerry is for renewable sources of power,

conservation, regulation of the power industry, all positions Dean disagrees with or has worked against.

[wtmusic]

49. It takes 64,000 windmills to produce the power

of 1 nuclear power plant.

Where's your backyard, sangh0?

[sangh0]

54. I heard Cheney say the same exact thing

Good thing we don't have to rely on windmills alone to do the job.

[wtmusic]

72. LOL are you gonna pedal a bicycle for all that extra power, sangh0?

[sangh0]

76. You gonna keep paying terrorists

so you can keep driving down the block for a qt of milk?

[wtmusic]

85. No, I sold my nuclear-powered car ages ago

let's stay on subject, shall we?

[sangh0]

55. Conservation eliminates the need

for even one more nuclear plant. With a real conservation plan, like Kerry has, we can remove ALL nuclear plants and still have enough energy.

[wtmusic]

71. Hardly

With coal and gas fired plants? You propose fouling the air instead of Yucca Mtn? Windmills and grain alcohol won't cut it, at least on this planet.

[sangh0]

77. Conservation fouls the air?

WHat's next, "Trees cause pollution"???

[wtmusic]

84. Oh that's right you have one of those solar powered computers

and dishwashers, and television sets, and...

[sangh0]

86. Again "Conservation fouls the air?"

It's a yes or no question.

[wtmusic]

90. So you're gonna turn off the computer? Is that what you're saying?

We'll miss you...


:nopity:

[CWebster]

110. That's nice

who is going to take responsibility for the waste until that bright sunny day shines on us all?

[ozone_man]

101. Dean has an outstanding record on renewable energy.

Just do a search. He has implemented an energy efficiency utility and has been a strong advocate for renewable energy, not to mention his current positions.

The only area that I disagreed with Dean over energy was his signing of the Hydro Quebec contract, but it was seen as the lesser of evils (nuclear and oil/gas). My take was that we could be even more agressive with energy efficiency and that future power projections were too high (Public Service Board decisions).

With energy, there is no free lunch. There is always a price to pay, and it is the environmment that always suffers. Dean made solid choices in energy has always pushed energy efficiency as the first choice. During the 90's, energy efficiency proved itself to be the cheapest source of new energy, not to mention the most environmentally friendly. Dean has been part of that and we gave plenty of input on this subject (being on the green side here).

http://rutlandherald.com/hdean/39546

http://timesargus.com/Legislature/Story/41924.html

http://www.gendeanblog.com/archives/000224.php

[wtmusic]

47. Kerry's apparently for having waste stored at less safe places

than Yucca.

:thumbsdown:

[sangh0]

56. Nice lie

Care to provide a cite for that? I didn't think so

What Kerry is for is a sound energy policy that includes strong efforts to conserve energy. Kerry's policies eliminate the need for ANY nuclear power.

Dean's policies allow the nuclear power industry to create even MORE waste, so we can have nuclear waste trucked across the nation 365 days a year forever.

[wtmusic]

74. Care to name a safer place than Yucca Mtn

or a REALISTIC proposal to eliminate nuclear power? There isn't one. You can't.

Pity.

[sangh0]

79. Care to name a more dangerous place than our highways?

or a safe way to get the waste to Yucca mountain?

I ask because you SEEM so concerned about safety that I wonder why you want to have nuclear waste on the highways. You still haven't even tried to explain this. Not once. You can't

Sad

[wtmusic]

87. The waste is on the highway or a railroad car for a day or two

it's in the mountain for 10,000 years. Is the risk even comparable?

<sniff> :nopity:

[sangh0]

91. The waste is on our highways every day, 365 day/year

.

[seventhson]

93. I'm proDean and I can

First - a national effort to conserve - mandated if necessary based onm an energy and global warming emergency.

It can be done.

I will not crirticize Kerry for conmservation or energy initiatives that are environmentally sound. But I think too that Dean was not wrong to want to eliminate nuke waste from his state. Kerry has been very wrong on this issue.

Dean has apparentrly some not too cool energy company ties which bother me. This is a huge policy issue.

So I will not take sides or judge on THIS issue until BOTH kerry and dean have clear global plans on Kyoto, nukes, conservation, and employment. This issue is too complex for simplistic answers. Dean did what he had to do, I believe, as governor. Kerry has been a failure. But the one issue he sometimes sounds decent on is energy issues --- but he's so bad in so many other ways that this issue is off my radar for him. I just Hope Dean is better.

A WPA for energy conservation, mass transit using sensible fuels, hybrid and hydrogen vehicles and changes in industry will make it happen.

If we can spend a trillion bucks on a war --then we can spend a few hundred billion to save the planet without nukes.

[seventhson]

32. it sits where it is Deadly for 250,000 years

I HATE the nuke industry. Thwey poisoned my family and me and everyone in my community.

The Doctor is Right.

But we need a safe place AWAY from people: Like Area 51 or School of the Americas.

[sangh0]

63. Hiway 51 is NOT a safe location

but if Yucca opens, nuclear waste will be on highways across the nation.

[seventhson]

95. It has to go somewhere somehow

Yucca is not ideal but it is better than leaving it where it is from where I sit. Next to it.

[blm]

28. No...Bush signed on to Yucca 2 years ago. Dean supported

it for years and knew that bush would sign onto it.

I guess you're now a fan of the Koch brothers, too, seventhson?

[democratreformed]

19. Everyone

good is bad. And everyone bad is good. We have all lost our minds...

LOL!!!

[Dr Satan]

23. I guess we could

turn all the nuclear waste into bombs and drop them onto a foreign country like Clark did.

[wyldwolf]

29. What a crock... and a desperate comment...

[Hep]

33. Desperate? Our guy is BEATING your guy

whoever the hell THAT is.

[wyldwolf]

99. So it's ok to fabricate stories?

You can back up your statement "turn all the nuclear waste into bombs and drop them onto a foreign country like Clark did" with FACTS can't you?

[seventhson]

34. That's what you get when you pee in..

the DU well. It poisons the waters,

Just like DU that got dumped by Clark on Eastern Europe and blew them up.

It poisoned the waters.

[boxster]

Really? I think your knowledge of history is a tad wrong.

We haven't dropped anything nuclear since 1945.

Gee, I didn't know that Clark was involved in that operation.

[Dr Satan]

61. never heard of depleted uranium huh?

ever seen what it does to humans and the environment?

[sangh0]

67. Never heard about nuclear waste?

It's the subject of this thread, and it's not DU.

[MoonRiver]

35. Disgusting. So there are reasons in addition to his unpleasant activists

not to support him. :thumbsdown:

[BayCityProgressive]

38. Well...

I am opposed to nuclear energy...however, the nuclear plants aren't going anywhere anytime soon so don't we need somewhere to put this toxic shit?

[wtmusic]

44. Yes we do and

Yucca Mountain will keep it safe for 10,000 years. Anyone else got a better idea?

One...two...three...

[MoonRiver]

53. Keep them where they are.

It's a lot safer than transporting the stuff across the US.

In addition, support clean renewable energy not toxic sources. That way we won't increase this problem.

[Hep]

59. Ack

Sorry, A dozen nuclear waste disasters spread across the country, including populated areas seems worse to me than one central location in the desert. Now there might be serious problems with the integrity of Yucca Mountain, but jeez. We need a central location. I say we pay Russia some cash and send it all to Siberia.

Anyway, we have a lot of waste now and not enough safe places to store them. A lot of storage facilities are already overflowing. This is a problem NOW and we have to find the least dangerous solution.

Yes, we do need to focus on renewable and clean energy, and there's a ton of work to be done. We won't be getting rid of our nuclear facilities any time soon, and it's already a problem.

Why do you think that keeping the waste where it is is preferable? What are the advantages?

[sangh0]

62. Trucking waste all over the nation is not "one location"

If Yucca opens, then every single day of every year for the rest of your life, nuclear waste will be riding on the highways, and those trucks will be scattered across the nation, waiting to be hijacked.

The claim that opening Yucca means the waste will be in one location is a lie that can only be perpetrated by ignoring the facts.

Not a problem for Dean or his supporters.

[MoonRiver]

64. My philosophy is 'if it works don't fix it.'

We've done OK with the current system. "Overflowing" facilities isn't a good justification for condemning one part of the country to the toxic side effects of an entire nation's nuclear pollution, fer God's sake!

[sangh0]

68. It doesn't condemne "one part of the country"

Storing waste at Yucca condemns the ENTIRE nation because the waste will be trucked to Yucca on our highways.

[MoonRiver]

70. Yes, I mentioned that in one of my earlier posts on this thread.

Talk about a huge security risk!

[sangh0]

80. My apologies. I just like repeating that fact

to make up for all the people who are ignoring the threat in order to protect their candidate.

[wtmusic]

73. Naive

One place to store waste is MUCH more secure than fifty.

[MoonRiver]

78. Depends on one's perspective.

Where do you live?

[sangh0]

82. Good one

I guess it's OK when Dean is only concerned about VT, but it's "naive" if saywhat is only concerned about his own area.

[wtmusic]

88. Wrong

and naive again. It has nothing to do with your perspective. Yucca Mountain is geologically safer than Vermont, period. It is a scientific, hard, proven fact.

[sangh0]

92. Wrong

1) It's not a scientific fact because it has never been tested. The acid test of science is repeatability, and this is demonstrated through experiments.

2) Even if it were science, it's not safer for those who live by and/or use the highways where this waste will be transported

[wtmusic]

94. Wrong, unless you're a creationist

'The acid test of science is repeatability'? Were there no glaciers because we haven't seen them? Were there no dinosaurs?

Science is based on probability. Within an EXTREMELY high degree of probability that this region will be stable longer thousands of years longer than Vermont.

You're way out on thin ice here. You should read some of the scientific literature about Yucca before you start spouting your 'facts'.

But hey, don't listen to me. Listen to a physicist (who happens to agree with me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=2642#2717

[sangh0]

81. Deceitful

The waste will NOT be in ONE place. It will all over the nation, travelling on our highways.

[wtmusic]

39. Yeah, they just aren't very good ones

:thumbsup:

[Hep]

40. You don't even need a reason.

Just support YOUR guy.

[madrchsod]

36. i guess i`m just

going to vote for bush cause all these democrats are really bad people who lie about everything and say really bad things about each other...dam, i`ve got to remember not to read these posts

[indigo32]

42. No kidding... I just don't get it

eom

[BayCityProgressive]

50. I would actually be happy with any of our candidates

except Lieberman. I am simply saying we have to put this waste soemwhere.

[Jerseycoa]

51. But that's old, today was Dean's big day

Didn't you hear how he kicked Bush's ass over 9/11?

You have to scroll down, though.


May. 12, 2003

Graham alleges a coverup of pre-9/11 failure
By TYLER BRIDGES
[e-mail]

DES MOINES - Sen. Bob Graham accused the Bush administration Sunday of covering up its failure to possibly prevent the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks by refusing to release the findings of a Graham-led congressional investigation last year.

Graham said on CBS' Face the Nation program that the administration is not withholding the information to protect national security.

''In fact, a great deal of the information which they want to keep classified has already been released, such as in testimony by CIA and FBI officials in public hearings,'' Graham said. ``I think what they are shooting at is to cover up the failures that occurred before September the 11th.''

Releasing the report, he said, could help law enforcement prevent another attack.

In an interview later, Graham said, ``I think what the administration is concerned about is that we have connected the dots. They don't want the American people in one document to know and be able to assess and hold accountable the people who were involved in the lead up to September 11.''

October 28, 2003

Democrat Clark blames President Bush for Sept. 11 intelligence failures

NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, October 28, 2003

Democrat Wesley Clark on Tuesday blamed President Bush for the intelligence failures that contributed to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"There is no way this administration can walk away from its responsibility for 9-11," Clark told a conference, titled "New American Strategies for Security and Peace." "You can't blame something like this on lower level intelligence officers, however badly they communicated memos with each other. ... The buck rests with the commander in chief, right on George W. Bush's desk."

Later Tuesday, Clark called on Bush to release the details of an intelligence briefing he received from CIA Director George Tenet in August 2001.

<snip>

But his criticism of Bush's handling of intelligence related to the terrorist attacks is some of the harshest since former Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Bob Graham, D-Fla., exited the Democratic presidential race.

Dec. 2, 2003

posted by ewing2001 on Tuesday December 02, @08:12PM
from the Newsmax dept.

Dean on WAMU: "The president is suppressing evidence"

Dean: Bush May Have Been Tipped to 9/11 Attacks

Dean said on Monday that President Bush is withholding documents related to 9/11 because they may show he knew what was coming.

:evilgrin:

[maddezmom]

57. thanks for the timeline

:thumbsup:

[sangh0]

58. heh

I like your style

[bobbyboucher]

65. Deja vu all over again.

Hasn't this one been beaten to death already? Looks like it's back to google for ya wildywolf.

Is it so terrible for a govenor of a small state to want to send their nuke waste to a FEDERAL installation designed to hold ALL the nuclear waste? Hadn't billions of dollars already been spent on it by the time Dean said he wanted to use it?

A question to the usual suspects, you know who you are, what should he have done with all his state's nuclear waste? What's the fallback postion for the anti-Yucca crowd and how does it get paid for? I don't think Yucca was all that great an idea, tranporting nuke waste and all, but what affordable alternative do you have? Just give me the alternatives, so that I know why Dean is such a bad guy. Thanks.

[sangh0]

69. Yes, it's terrible

because Dean's desire to "protect" Vermoters led to the bizarre position that trucking waste all over the highways would make his constituents safer.

A question to the usual suspects, you know who you are, what should he have done with all his state's nuclear waste?

Question to you - Do you think it's safe to have nuclear waste in trucks traveling over our nations highways, where they'd be subject to capture?


What's the fallback postion for the anti-Yucca crowd and how does it get paid for?

Storing it at the sites and having the companies pay for it's security. Eliminate nuclear power and thus the need for a storage site.

what affordable alternative do you have?

There are none. We have to stop producing nuclear waste, but that won't happen if they have a place to store their waste.

It's not MY job to figure this out. They profit; Let THEM figure it out and pay for it. Until then, they should be shut down.

[MoonRiver]

75. The chickens come home to roost when one is a presidential candidate

and not just governor of a small state.

[bobbyboucher]

89. Good points all, I have to say.

We as a nation are a long way from that rational kind of thinking. But I like what you said.

"We won't be safe until we shut them down cold".

I am having a hard time beating up Dean over this, since his choices are few. How much dough has been poured down that Yucca hole? A lot I bet.

People change their minds every day.

[blm]

111. But Dean was on board with Yucca early on. It wasn't

just a done deal that he had fall on his desk. He was cheerleading it.

[KaraokeKarlton]

66. Kerry's been up to plenty himself...

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1998/March/099.htm.html

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1998/01/msg00109.html

http://www.techcentralstation.com/020502A.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/kerry/kerrlist1003.html

http://www.pscboston.com/attorneys/crowe_r.html

[Closer]

97. How can THIS post remain

but the Clark version of the same thing gets deleted for being "inflammatory" ?


Nice, real nice guys! :eyes:

[unfrigginreal]

105. It will probably be locked in a day or two

as inflamatory.

[CWebster]

112. Are you kidding?????

Hey, that sucks, that really sucks.

[Scott Lee]

100. Everybody wave at ADJHS!

They all showed up in record time - as they do with utlravoluminous posts to a HateDean thread. Nice job guys! Let it never be said that you aren't creatures of pattern! ;)

[cryofan]

106. Dean in the pocket of Big Business? I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!

No wonder the corporate-owned media is pushing this guy on America like he is the second coming of Jesus H Christ.

[Nazgul35]

108. Perhaps a little information for those who seem to think...

that leaving the waste "where it is" is a good idea....

When we first began building nuclear power plants back in the 50s, the government, through the nuclear regulatory commision, was to provide a site for the disposal of waste...it wasn't some much of a problem as we first built breeder reactors to provide us with the neccessary amount of refined plutonium for our developing nuclear bomb program....

But the disposal site never came....so plants were told to store spent fuel rods in the cooling tanks at the reactor site. This wasnt a problem at first, but as time rolled on the tanks began to fill up...so they developed a special film to wrap the rods in for when they began to pack them in tight...now the tanks are almost filled, the rods must be moved....

Several problems are possible:

1) if the water level drops there could be a melt down...and the tanks are almost packed with fuel rods so there is less water colling the rods and not much room between the top of the pile and the top of the tanks...

2) some scientists have suggested that under the right conditions, like being packed together, they could in fact have a melt down event similar to Chernoble....

The point of all this is that a vast majority of the plants are located in highly populated areas and the damage would make the Russian accident look like a picnic....

so what's your solution? And don't talk to me about reusable or alternative energies...becasue that doesnt do anything about those packed cooling tanks up and down the East Coast and around the Great Lakes.....

Try looking at this for some information on just how dire our situation is:

http://library.thinkquest.org/17940/texts/nuclear_waste_storage/nuclear_waste_storage.html

[CWebster]

109. Look what else Bernie Sanders has been up to

"Recently, Bernie championed in Congress the dumping of Vermont's nuclear waste near Sierra Blanca, Texas, a low income border community with a mostly Latino population that is overwhelmingly opposed to the dump project. Environmental racism and classism seem not to bother him"

http://www.uvm.edu/~wmiller/bernieoccupation.html

All depends on the view.

When it comes to Clark's history in the Military-Industrial complex, a seat on the board for CIA political fronts to sabotage government of foreign countries under the guise of "democracy", School of the Americas affiliation, corporate ties to companies securing lists of suspect Americans for the airlines...just can't get any deeper in the thick of it. And the line is drawn there.

[wyldwolf]

114. Sierra Blanca was Dean's baby...

Paul Wellstone opposed it and it was he who called the plan "Environmental racism."

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