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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:35 AM
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Poll question: Predictions: when will Kerry drop out
I just can't see Kerry winning NH. The newest poll has him behind by 30%. 42% (Dean) to 12% (Kerry). 9% goes to Clark. Which means that Kerry may even finish third.

I just can't see Kerry sustain such a humiliation. Coming in second is not enough when you're from MA. By the way, he trails Dean there too.

I see Clark as the only man who can potentially stop Dean. If he comes in second and wins South Carolina. There is a chance for Clark. If he finishes third in NH and loses SC he's done too.

I think Kerry is smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Will he put his house up to win the NH primary and then lose everywhere else?

Kerry is done. So the question is, when will he withdraw?
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:37 AM
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1. I doubt he'll leave before Super Tuesday
He still has a bigger chance than some of the other guys.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:37 AM
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2. "stopping" dean
We are trying to stop Bush, not Dean. Never lose sight of that.
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:40 AM
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3. Super Tuesday?
Does he have a death wish? He will be murdered in the press if he loses NH. That's what people here don't realize. These polls will change dramatically after the first couple of primaries.

Remember 2000. McCain was at about 10% in the polls nationally and jumped to like 33% after winning New Hampshire.

There will be a vaccuum after that. The first couple of primaries will separate the men from the boys.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:13 AM
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14. thanks, Matt
damn good point!!!!
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:42 AM
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4. *Gephardt* is the greatest threat to Dean.
But don't tell anyone else that. ;)
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:48 AM
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7. Why Gepthardt?
I've heard that before but don't buy it. Gepthardt was always supposed to win Iowa. So even if he does, it won't make a hoot difference if Dean comes in a strong second. Which he certainly will, if he doesn't take the whole thing.

Then where will Gept go?

Dean will certainly win NH. And the media will keep talking about him. No one will be talking about Gept. who will probably finish fourth or fifth.

Then South Carolina and some western states. Gept won't win any of those either.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:59 AM
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9. Lesson in primary politics
One week after New Hampshire, three statesneighboring Missouri have their primaries. Gephardt will do very well there, and this will carry him a ways.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:10 AM
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11. Ahh, Lesson #2 in Politics
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 01:14 AM by Closer
MONEY talks!

Please note that Gephardt's funds are painfully low.


He's going to get bitch slapped (monetarily) by Dean in Iowa in the coming weeks.

Gephardt this quarter -> 750k
Dean this quarter -> 8-10 million (perhaps more)


No matter how good a candidate Gephardt is, know that MONEY talks. And in this case, it screams.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:06 AM
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10. Look at the states
Iowa + Gephardt win = 50 mill in free airtime

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February 3

Arizona -- Dean
Delaware -- Dean or Lieberman
Missouri -- Gep
New Mexico -- Dean
North Dakota -- Gephardt
South Carolina -- Gephardt in at least top three
Oklahoma -- Gephardt 1st or second

February 7
Michigan -- Gep
Washington -- Dean?
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:13 AM
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13. There is absolutely NO way
Gephardt would beat Dean in Michigan. And that question mark beside Washington is laughable. Dean's lead there is HUGE. And the last time I checked, Dean was ahead of Gephardt in SC.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:17 AM
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17. Don't forget Clark though
Clark is leading in SC and he is doing what he can to get the rest of the states on Super Tuesday.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:16 AM
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16. If He Really Posed A Threat, You Would Never Mention It
You know damn well that Gep is going nowhere. Dems will never vote for someone without Foreign Policy experience to counter Bush.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:19 AM
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18. Are you questioning my honesty?
The Gephardt scenario is about as objective as one can make it. Democratic Underground isn't representative of real-life Democrats, you know.

Look at the numbers, and do the math.

"Dems will never vote for someone without Foreign Policy experience to counter Bush."

Dude, this is a liberal primary. Dodging the draft, for instance, is like a badge of honor.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:43 AM
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5. Kerry should forget about 2004
A fitting end to his career would be to defeat Mitt Romney in 2006. Unfortunately, Kerry has a giant ego and he'll probably stay in the presidential race until he is utterly destroyed.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:45 AM
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6. You must be very afraid?
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 12:49 AM
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8. terrified.
I've always been scared shitless when my candidate is 30% ahead of his nearest rival.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:13 AM
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15. LOL
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:27 AM
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19. The joke is on you - LOL
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:31 AM
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21. How's that Molly?
This I really want to hear.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:30 AM
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20. LMAO
good response to that tired canard.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:11 AM
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12. I think Kerry may do pretty well In Iowa
and may not do as badly as we now think he will in NH. Plus, he has the money to continue as long as he judges feasible. A lot of Democrats have a very high opinion of Sen. Kerry, so I wouldn't count him out too soon. (Btw, I am a very committed Dean supporter.)
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:05 AM
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22. Prepare to eat to crow

Just a kindly suggestion.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:13 AM
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23. "Begin with an ending in mind" Steven R. Covey.
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