Who is Rand Beers and why is he supporting Kerry?

[Nlighten1]

I just got an email from Rand Beers titled, "Rand Beers for John Kerry: Rebuilding Our Alliances".


Who is this guy?

[seventhson]

1. A Bushie

or a former Bushie. Who can tell these days?

[bryant69]

2. Nice anser

I suppose that answer is based on the theory that only a Bushie would support Kerry?


Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Um no

He really is...He resigned a few months back and went to work for Kerry.

[curse10]

5. And he was also the Assistant Secretary for International Narcotics...

Law Enforcement Affairs during the Clinton Administration

[GalleryGod]

4. Rand Beers??! Anti-Terror Expert!

D+ for my class (sigh):shrug:

[blm]

6. Part of the Kerry team that BushInc. needs silenced.

John Kerry assembled a team to confront Bush on the issues Rove wants to take to the American people in 2004. National security and the fear of terrorism. No doubt, the last thing Rove needs are experts in those areas speaking out during the general election against Bush and for the Democratic opponent.

Gary Hart, knows more about national security and antiterrorism measures than any national figure. He is the author of the Hart-Rudman report which was delivered to Bush in Jan. 2001 after a 2 1/2 year study commissioned by Clinton. The report wasn't dealt with at all prior to 9-11.

Rand Beers, former National Security Official, knows the inner workings of the Bush team's post 9-11 efforts, of which he observed mostly inertia and incompetence.

Max Cleland, 9-11 commission, knows the Bush team is trying to pull a fast one on the American people by covering up crucial information of dealings that led to 9-11. Has been speaking out to groups across the country, and swinging the AWOLSTICK as a bonus

Gen. William Perry, Clinton's expert on nuclear arms proliferation and N. Korea, knows Bush's failures on the serious Korea issue and his incompetence in dealing with its threat.

Joe Wilson, the man who knows TOO much. Exposed Cheney's office as the source for cooked intelligence reports on Iraq. Also alerted public to treasonous acts by White House in exposing his wife, an undercover CIA agent. Many in intel community aligning with Wilson and his wife against the WH.

The media is loathe to give these men the airtime at this point because they are too damaging to Bush on his perceived strengths. They can afford to ignore them and the substance of their case against Bush because they are selling the American people the "process" of the primary horserace as entertainment. If Kerry were the nominee, the media would have no choice but to feature his spokespeople on the various issues.

Kerry assembled a team to TAKE BUSH DOWN, while some others assembled a team to take Kerry down. Democrats need to take this into consideration. BushInc. NEEDS these men and their message muted.

  

[sistersofmercy]

7. Excellent post which outlines the issue perfectly!

Although, I suspect the supporters of other candidates will fail to comprehend the brilliant strategy which is being put forth and will continue to attack and dissect it, rather than recognize the need for a concerted effort to "Take Bush Down."

[blm]

8. That's the problem. Too many focus on the horserace

and their own political agenda.

It's Kerry's team who has chipped away most substantively at Bush's credibility all this past year. Who do the horserace crowd want to reward for the actual heavy lifting?

[JNelson6563]

9. He musta forgot that whole primary business

Shouldn't have disregarded the little people. I feel he did this last year.

If Kerry doesn't win nom I hope those folks will work with whoever does. With their feelings for Bush known I suspect they will.

I know I plan to work for whoever does win.

Julie

[sistersofmercy]

10. Of course, we will!

Kerry supporters in general I believe, are looking at the big picture rather narrowly viewing the situation. You will never see me bashing the other candidates, I happen to respect the effort all of them are making. In addition, if Kerry didn't receive the nod I'm quite sure being the honorable man that he is, he will have no problem throwing his support behind who ever does. I can't say that I feel the same about one of our candidates!

[blm]

11. Yep...Dean plans to let others do the heavy lifting while he gets media

focus for spouting his mouth. Just like he let Kucinich do all the heavy lifting on antiwar efforts while Dean collected the money and support for his faux antiwar stance.

Now he wants to use Kerry's longtime efforts and hard work? Just like he cribbed Kerry's foreign policy and environmental speeches?

You want Kerry to give Dean a better presidential platform and hand over all his work? Why doesn't Dean do the right thing and admit he doesn't have the chops and hand over what work he has done? After all, his populist work is only 11 months old, and Kerry's efforts and platform come from lifelong and dilgent efforts on the issues.

[JohnKleeb]

12. I used to think and I think I am now wrong in thinking so

That Dennis should have entered earlier then he would have gotten the support but I realized I was wrong because the reason why he didnt enter until early this past winter in like Feburary or whenever he entered was because he was fighting against the rush to war in congress and doing what he could. It was a principled move in my opinion, and I think he was right to stay.

[blm]

13. Draft Kucinich was in the works.

And it was the media's fault for labeling Dean the liberal antiwar candidate even while ignoring Kucinich who was speaking at the antiwar rallies and drafting counter measures.

Dean only ran with the perception that the media created. He was a willing participant in their deception, though, and accepted the support that misperception brought him.

[JohnKleeb]

16. I know Draft Kucinich was up then

The Prayer for America speech really inspired people. I find it great that Dennis can do his job as a congressman and make great speeches on policies.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

14. Kerry's definitely a uniter

more than a divider.

[Hep]

15. Too bad

the same can't be said of many of his supporters here at DU.

[sistersofmercy]

17. Oh please do enlighten me on how Kerry supporters have been a

divisive group here.

[Hep]

19. Eh?

Are you kidding? You must be kidding, right? Stick around for a while. If you'd like, you can give me your email address and I'll forward any posts I see from Kerry supporters acting in the olre of "divider". I hope your inbox can handle a couple dozen posts per day. Please PM me your addy.

[sistersofmercy]

21. I've been here for a while and no I won't go on threads I view as

candidating bashing but there is a difference between questioning motives and issues and outright bashing. I've yet to see Kerry supporters unjustly taking issue with one of the other candidates. If you consider mere disagreement as candidate bashing then I suppose our definition would differ.

[Hep]

22. OK!

I guess you don't want me sending you examples.

You know, it's all interpretation. Set the bar wherever the hell you want.

[sistersofmercy]

24. While you're stockpiling examples of candidate bashing, why not

keep tally on other candidate supporters and see who has the highest list of culprits. Truth is I can tell you who I see doing most of the needless bashing around here.

[sangh0]

25. Hep has already stated that he thinks all criticism

and questioning of a candidates position is an "attack"

[sistersofmercy]

29. but is he holding all accountable or just Kerry supporters?

[Hep]

32. ALL

Whatever Ignored said, I've been known to criticize Dean supporters, and I frequently point out that there are as many JERKS in the Dean camp as there are in the others. I don't come around and talk like it's ALL one group or another, and I don't quantify it like some CHILD complaining that his brother hit him twice while he only got to hit back once before mommy put a stop to it.

[sangh0]

38. All but Dean supporters

It's always the other guy's fault.

I don't come around and talk like it's ALL one group or another, and I don't quantify it like some CHILD complaining that his brother hit him twice while he only got to hit back once before mommy put a stop to it.

True, but he engages in the behavior every day.

[sangh0]

39. Please read Hep's #34

where he complains about how blm spends more time criticizing Dean than supporting Kerry. Meanwhile, in this #32, Hep says "and I don't quantify it like some CHILD complaining that his brother hit him twice while he only got to hit back once before mommy put a stop to it"

[blm]

40. Yeah, but you don't stick up for the good guy who was hit 20 times first

BEFORE he hit back. In fact, you do stick up for the guy who did the hitting first. What does THAT say about character?

[Hep]

31. Yeah,

And who YOU support has NOTHING to do with it.

The most bizarre thing about the climate here is that so few people realize how idiotically subjective they're being.

I've criticized threads started by Dean supporters. I've done it several times. I've been objective about issues and inquisitive about details.

Can you honestly trell me that you have come out and criticized people on YOUR side for doing the same? Of course not, you don't see any mindless bashed against Dean.

Like I said, dig a hole and put your bar in there if you want.

[blm]

18. Deanies: Kerry is a "corrupt Washington insider" and a "phony"

Who are they working for, Nixon? Segretti? Cheney? Rove? All those Republicans put out that same meme at various times over the last 30 years.

[Hep]

20. Get it straight for once

Yeah, some Dean supporters are assholes. True. But then, some Clark Kerry aEdwards and Kucinich people are assholes too.

Would you like for me to email this message to you on an hourly basis so that eventually you will get it?

You're a reason why Kerry is at the bottom of my list. I hope that was your intent.

[blm]

23. Why? Because I tell the truth about both men?

You are not Dean, I am not Kerry. I dislike Dean for his centrist record which I do not trust, and his current hot rhetoric which does not match his actual record.

Kerry's lifelong record holds up under closer scrutiny.

[sangh0]

26. Please note how Hep hasn't mentioned anything about Rand Beers

in this thread.

[sistersofmercy]

27. Hey blm,

could you do me a favor please? Go to another thread where I posed a question for you and answer it if you can. I'm very curious to know the answer.

[blm]

28. which thread?

.

[sistersofmercy]

30. ...

"...Beacon..."

[JohnKleeb]

33. heres the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=805974

[sistersofmercy]

36. Thanks JK, what a sweetie you are!

I'm pretty much a knucklehead when it comes to a computer's different functions and how to use them. I've accidently deleted files etc. I do wish I knew how to cut and paste. I see so many worthy articles for posting. Oh well, I'll leave it to those who do it best. Thanks again!:hug:

[JohnKleeb]

37. No problem

I am beginning to have enough of all these candiate bashing threads, sigh I want it out. No problem, cut and paste is relatively easy, although I have only known it myself for 2 years, seems like forever though, such is life.

[Hep]

34. Think what you want

Bottom line is you spend more time repeating your anti Dean mantra than you spend lauding Kerry. It's obvious who's on your mind more.

[blm]

35. There are more posts about Dean that need correcting.

However, if you ever bothered to notice, I do not jump onto threads that go after Dean for mundane or personal things. That would be bashing. I am a scrutinizer, and a critic of harmful centrist and libertarian policies. Big difference.

[sangh0]

41. It's not blm's fault that Dean has so many faults

and flip-flops on the issues.

[Oilwellian]

42. Not sure I would trust Rand Beers

Anyone who lies under oath to protect DynCorp and their defoliation campaign in Columbia is suspect in my book.

<snip>
US Assistant Secretary of State Rand Beers has admitted that he did not speak the truth when he last November declared under oath that Colombian guerrillas had received training in terrorist camps in Afghanistan

12.09.2002 (By Maria Engqvist, ANNCOL Stockholm) Top State Department official Rand Beers, who heads the US Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement, has rescinded a statement made under oath before a federal court that claimed that guerrillas from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) had trained at Al Qaida camps in Afghanistan.

Beers committed perjury in an attempt to support a motion to dismiss a civil suit against US mercenary company DynCorp, the largest State Department contractor. DynCorp's mercenaries performs a host of military and support functions for the US and Colombian forces who are fighting left-wing insurgents in Colombia's civil war.

According to the UPI news agency, DynCorp and the State Department are trying to convince US District Judge Richard Roberts to dismiss a class-action lawsuit filed last September by an estimated 10,000 Ecuadorians against DynCorp because a trial could compromise the wars on both drugs and terrorism.

The suit claims the defoliation missions flown by DynCorp have resulted in chemicals blowing across the border between the two countries and has led to a major loss of crops and severe health problems for the local population. Judge Roberts decision on the motion is pending.

http://www.anncol.com/september_eng/1209_TOP_US_OFFICIAL_LIED_ABOUT_AL_QAIDA.htm

[blm]

43. So he refused to continue covering up for BushInc.? Good.

.

[sangh0]

44. So Kerry managed to flip a PNACer?

Good for him!!

[blm]

45. heh...good way to put it.

.

[rucky]

46. So Kerry Has All These Heavies Behind Him...

What can this team do now that would give him a boost in the primary polls?

[blm]

47. The media won't let them break through during the primary.

They are too issue-intensive which means the only way the media will cover it is when they HAVE to during a general campaign. For now the media can keep Dems entertained with the horserace aspect of the primary and peripheral issues like gay marriage. They can ignore these heavyweights who have the goods on BushInc. for stories like Joan Jett wanting to be a delegate for Dean.