Anyone but dean

[Keebs]

I'm so ashamed to be a democrat right now it isn't even funny. You don't see Republicans fighting like this.

Yes, I'm a newbie here.... but now I wish I had never came at all.

I know it sounds stupid, but I thought we were a team. But all I'm seeing is hate. I thought we were supposed to support each other, and the man that comes out of the primaries?

I'm so dissapointed. So, I will leave you guys to your bickering and fighting over stupid crap that doesn't really matter in the long run. I'm going to find a site that is friendly and more aware of the bigger problems at hand.

What I saw, and participated in this morning was not what I was looking for when I came to Democratic Underground. If I wanted to fight, I could go to a Republican/Conservative site.

Who do we have to turn to if we can't turn to each other?

:cry:

[JohnKleeb]

1. People like to fight, its pissing me off!

BTW it goes all ways, Dean supporter will attack Kerry, vice versa, etc. It goes on and on.

[Keebs]

3. uggggh

no one should be attacking anyone. =(

[JohnKleeb]

5. I know

Drives me insane. It better end, because Ive had it.

[Patriot_Spear]

4. BALDERDASH AND HOGWASH!!!

I like Kerry- but I like Dean MORE. Enough with the devisive innuendo.

[JohnKleeb]

8. What the hell

I just said it goes both ways. You dont think thats true? :eyes: I think everyone is equally guilty. Jesus christ, I just said Dean supporters attack Kerry and vice versa, you dont think thats true. Man give it up, well maybe you do like Kerry but a lot of people seem to despise Kerry from what I see, and btw it was an example.

[Patriot_Spear]

12. I even like Kucinich.

I think the myth of Democratic division is outgrowing the reality.

[JohnKleeb]

15. We are acting divided

Thats what I mean. We may not be but its like civil war in here at times. Look I didnt mean any harm but it does go all ways, true eh? no one is more guilty or less guilty. We better not be divided.

[damnraddem]

28. Hey I like Kucinich. His ideas are closer to mine than are Dean's.

I support Dean because he can win in 2004. I hope that a Dean Administration will lead to an America that can embrace Kucinich.

[JohnKleeb]

29. Thats good to know, I am sorry for complaining

Just seems like theres always fighting goin about, I am glad I ran in to you and PS because you guys dont seem to be attack people which is good. Well a Dean adminstration would lead to an America that would embrace someone like Kucinich. Its not just the issues for me, I like Kucinich as a person ya know.

[OneBlueSky]

41. that graph may indicate the popular vote trends . . .

but presidents are elected by electoral votes . . . and you'd best believe that Bush will have his bases covered . . . for the second consecutive time, he will lose the popular vote and win the election . . . check out this article for a pretty good guess on what will follow . . .

http://www.counterpunch.com/stanton12032003.html

[mindfulNJ]

2. relax...

It all work itself out when the nominee is decided. I hope.

[Name removed]

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[Keebs]

11. oh

Now you are insulting me for wanting to be united with my party and not fight with them? We're supposed to fight with the enemy. Wtf?

I guess my priorities are off. Next time I see someone on the street with a shirt supporting anyone other than dean.. maybe I should punch them in the face?

[sangh0]

17. You have a strange way of "uniting" with your party

Some of us don't think accusing people of voting for Bush* is an effective way to unite the party. YMMV.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

37. Enlighten us sangha

how do you unite the party? Would the constant hate of Dean be it? :eyes:

I honestly don't know how you type some of this stuff with a straight face.

[Scott Lee]

38. Yep, 24/7 DeanHate is the key to party unity.

At least that what sangha believes. Thank goodness the antiDean knitting clutch isn't voluminous enough to fill out an average New England style living room.

[Hep]

33. So true

People do and say things here that I hope to God they never do in public.

[Ksec]

42. Constructive discourse is good because it can prepare you for

the real enemy. Trust me this neo repuglickin party isnt good at much , but what they do excel at is digging up dirt and smearing Dems. Thats how they have won the past two times. It wasnt on their merits but against us . They painted us as bed wetting Liberals and we were so busy ducking from them we lost our offensive edge.

We need an OFFENSE. OFFENSE. Let me repeat that again. WE NEED TO TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEM, instead of them bringin it to us. We need to paint them into a corner . Extremists that they are this will be easily done.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. THAT was unnecessary!

It sounds like this poster is very grown up and is discouraged by what he/she sees here -- as any new poster would be.

FIGHTING THE OPPOSITION is part of the process. Fighting each other isn't, or shouldn't be. Disagree, fine. Debate, great. THAT'S part of the process, but these incessant "your candidate is the spawn of hell" posts are ignorant and it makes the authors look ignorant.

*I* was offended by your remark to this new poster and I've been in politics for 30 years.

[Octafish]

7. First — A hearty welcome to DU.

Second — Yeh. I don't like Ho-Ho. I can tell you why, but you don't want to hear it, I guess.

Third — Yeh, we may be fighting now, but once the nominee is decided, DU will be devoted entirely to beating Bushler 24/7.

BTW: More than one Deanieweenie has smeared my candidate. Some going back almost two years. Turnabout is fair play.

Most importantly: You, and they, are OK in my book. Why? We are Democrats.

[wtmusic]

10. I second that emotion

:toast:

Learn to love the pain!!

[Hawkeye-X]

13. On one post of yours on my thread

that we can agree to disagree. That's cool with me.. If Dean becomes the nominee, you would support him.

I don't understand why ABD folks doesn't understand the concept of defeating * -- that's our primary goal -- we're just trying to find the right man to do it, and I think it's Dean and his polls and his strong support plus financial contributions has proven it.

Hawkeye-X

[kerry-is-my-prez]

46. Where's this Anybody But Dean thing that's going on... Am I missing

something? I haven't heard that one...

[Keebs]

19. oh oh

No no, I'm very very openminded. I've switched canidates 3 times in like 4 months. I'm pretty open to hear what people have to say. I don't mind constructive critizism, but the over zealousness of some of the anti- this and that canidate is hard to deal with. Especially when I'm talking - or screaming as the case my be- to someone in my own party. When I say anyone but bush.. I mean that. I will support any dem that comes out of the primaries, I just happen to prefer dean.

[Le Taz Hot]

9. What you are seeing is posts

from a few, very juvenile but prolific posters from ALL camps. May I make a suggestion? Find your "ignore" feature and use it liberally. Trust me. You'll not be missing any enlightening insight. Remember, the VAST majority of DUers don't engage in this crap.

Welcome to DU :hi: and please, stick around. It will be worth it if nothing else than for the information you recieve that the media whores won't provide.

[Keebs]

18. =)

Thanks, its nice to hear welcomes and positivity from within.

I've been banned from a couple different conservative boards, I'm on a pro-choice board (fighting the stray pro lifers) and I have a blog that is full of politics. I get tired of ranting sometimes and it would be nice to go somewhere without all the hassle of defending what you believe. I'll learn to use the ignore option. But I'm still dissapointed.

[mrgorth]

16. Stick around

and use "ignore". Use it like crazy. The board is much better this way.

[5thGenDemocrat]

21. The ignore function

Heck, I've got about 40 or 50 people on it (mostly, but not exclusively because due to political differences expressed badly) and I still see enough supporters of all the different candidates to get a good overview of all the varying viewpoints. I suspect before the primary season is over, I'll easily have another 40 or 50 there.
Some others I have on ignore because, well, because I just don't like them. As I've said before, I wouldn't invite these people into my house -- why would I invite them onto my computer screen?
Robert Frost once wrote that good fences make good neighbors. A liberal use of the ignore function does much the same thing.
John
Ignore function: Learn it, live it, love it.

[Don_G]

20. Our Common Enemy...Period

[salinen]

22. There are no tactics

too horrible for thugs. Republicanism is a lethal combo of selfishness, greed, and broken ethics. This war will be hidiously ugly. They may succeed because they have a playbook that leaves no tactic behind. Thicken your skins warriors, not all of us will return.

[billbuckhead]

26. Dean is the NRA-Cato Institute-ConFlag candidate

No wonder many hate him almost as much as Bush. Except about the war, sometimes it's hard to tell a difference. Domestically, Deans to the right of all the 2004Dems, far to the right of even Lieberman. Then there's the utter unelectibility of the exGovernor of one the smallest, most rural, most Yankee and most whitest states.

[Hep]

35. You left out satan worshipping, midget tossing, and booger eating.

n/t

[JNelson6563]

36. and Mao little red book tossing

that was hilarioius stuff the other day.

[INTELBYTES]

23. Sounds like somebody needs a hug....

Group hug!!! :grouphug:

Great now I have a toothache!! :+

[damnraddem]

25. Ashamed of Dems fighting like this?

It's called 'democracy.' One need not fall in line, mouth the party line, salute the fuhrer. Yes, some of the attacks go too far; but the diversity is needed. I support Dean, but I hope Kucinich, Sharpton, and Mosley-Braun, in particular, stick it out for some time -- they say things that need to be said, that the front-runner cannot say. And all of the Democratic candidates (I exlude Lieberman) sometimes say valuable things.

Anyone but Leiberman!

[adriennel]

27. fighting not always bad

just because I occasionally fight with my partner does not mean there's no love. I don't think it is realistic to expect every party member (Dem or Rep) to agree or even get along. Nor would I want to belong to a party of ditto-heads.

I'm confused by something in your post though....in the beginning you say "you don't see Republicans fighting like this" but in the end you also state "if I wanted to fight, I could go to a Republican/Conservative site". This is totally contradictory! Are you masquerading?

[HILLARY SUPPORTER]

30. Dean? NO WAY!!

<font color=blue><b>I can't stand Dean and feel he would be a real disaster! If Hillary doesn't run or get drafted then I will support Clark.

[1songbird]

31. I think Dems are being too hard on each other over these

issues. We have 10 candidates! The fact that we have so many candidates with so many diverging view points is amazing. We have very liberal to very conservative represented on one stage all in one party. The arguing is inevitable because of the diverging interest in our party. There is a candidate for every perspective and thus every Dem, but there can only be one. So I'm not suprised at all by the bickering, in fact I expect it at this point. Please just wait until the candidate is chosen. You will then see Dems unite, I hope.

[TopesJunkie]

32. It's definitely ugly around here.

I'm not sure what the angry, Dean-hating Clarkies are going to do if Dean gets the nomination. Nor am I sure what the angry, Clark-hating Deanies are going to do if Clark gets the nomination. It's just scary. There's no reason to be treating each other and each other's candidates this way. Neither one of them is so evil as to warrant the crap that's flying around here.

[donotpassgo]

34. guess you missed those McCain-Bush love fests in 2000

or the conservative unity in the Califonia recall

[slinkerwink]

39. welcome to DU!!!

Well, there's the DU Lounge and Politics and Campaigns threads where things are much calmer. There's a lot of Deanies in the DU Lounge because they don't like the infighting here.

[Capn Sunshine]

40. Fortunately

This tiny sliver in the netherworlds of online BBS is an aberration, just try asking around the real world.

There, you will find Clark supporters affable, accessible and supportive. Ditto Kerry partisans. Gephardt folks. Edwards workers. Kucinich folk.

Because unlike DU, real people tend to recognize this is all still one party with a common enemy.AND THEY ACT LIKE IT.

[jpgray]

43. Who says anyone but Dean?

I would have to guess that it is only a tiny amount of people.

[Hep]

44. But very vocal

n/t

[Ksec]

45. Discourse is good by preparing us for

the real enemy. Trust me this neo repuglickin party isnt good at much , but what they do excel at is digging up dirt and smearing Dems. Thats how they have won the past two times. It wasnt on their merits but against us . They painted us as bed wetting Liberals and we were so busy ducking from them we lost our offensive edge.

We need an OFFENSE. OFFENSE. Let me repeat that again. WE NEED TO TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEM, instead of them bringin it to us. We need to paint them into a corner . Extremists that they are this will be easily done.

Damnit wrong place

If I had my druthers Id pop

[blm]

47. Imagine the dismay of supporters

for Kerry and Gephardt and Edwards who were told for a year that their guy was "Bushlite" and "corrupt Washington insider" by the many Dean supporters who are here at DU. Yes...just imagine the Kucinich supporters who were told their guy was just too "gnomey" to be elected by the many Dean supporters who are here at DU. Just imagine what SBNA Dean supporters have said about DAMN GOOD LONGTIME LIBERAL DEMOCRATS who have carried more liberal water than Dean ever even THOUGHT about.

[Lorien]

48. *sigh*

well, there you go.