Daily Democrat: A positive discussion about Wesley Clark

[Skinner]

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TIMING

We will discuss two Daily Democrats per day, and cycle through the list of presidential candidates in modified alphabetical order.

12/04 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/05 - Howard Dean ....... and ... Joe Lieberman
12/06 - John Edwards ...... and ... Carol Moseley Braun
12/07 - Dick Gephardt ..... and ... Al Sharpton
12/08 - John Kerry ........ and ... Wesley Clark
12/09 - Dennis Kucinich ... and ... Howard Dean
12/10 - Joe Lieberman ..... and ... John Edwards
12/11 - Carol Moseley Braun and ... Dick Gephardt
12/12 - Al Sharpton ....... and ... John Kerry
12/13 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/14 - Etc...

LET'S GET STARTED

Here's your chance for some positive discussion of Wesley Clark! Who wants to start it off?

[molly]

1. He's extremely well educated

extremely smart and charismatic. I think he would make a fine president - even tho not my number 1 choice.

[coralrf]

Clark will run against the Media...

Like all the Democrats will. Bush will run with the media in his pocket.

If the object is to win in 2004 I think the Democrats must pick a candidate that can do that as well as express ideas better than those currently in effect. Clark can win. So can some of the other candidates but Clark has shown the greatest ability to slap down the media when it starts it’s whoring. His bit on FOX is a classic.

I think this very important in a modern candidate running for office in the USA. It may be the most important issue for a Democrat.

[kentuck]

10. I think it is important that our candidate stand up to the right-wingers

in the media, also. Clark has shown a knack for it. I thought he did well on Chris Matthews show also, when Chris tried to get him to commit to "same-sex marriage"...

[kentuck]

2. I am impressed with Clark's intelligence and guts...

Although I am presently still pulling for John Kerry, who I think would be a great President, I have been impressed with how General Clark presents himself and the issues. By the way he frames the issues, you can tell that he is very intelligent. He doesn't seem like a political novice to me.

Also, I have been impressed with the way he has stood up to certain media people. Remember how he cut the FOX nerd off at the knees? The guy is a fighter!

[bryant69]

3. I like him

I think his key credential is his military service, particularly compared to President Bush's record. He is the guy who san tell the country that Democrats want to protect America too.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[ShaneGR]

26. The NATO Secretary General LOVED him

Too bad Bush is so in love with destroying the institution.


NATO Secretary General Javier Solana (left), embraces Gen. Wesley Clark (right), U.S. Army, supreme allied commander Europe, after an award ceremony for Solana in the Pentagon on Sept. 23, 1999.

[Kanary]

4. Gen. Clark

is not a candidate I've followed very closely, so I will look forward to reading more info about him here.

From the little exposure to him I've had, I've *Really* appreciated that he seems to desire to steer clear of any infighting with the other candidates. That is not only refreshing, but I hope is a sign of the direction his leadership will take in all areas.

Kanary, who thanks Skinner!

[felonious thunk]

5. An undecided leaning toward Clark

I like the way that Clark (and Dean) is running. He has shyed away from the Al Gore talking points campaign. What I really like about Clark is that when I see him interviewed, he is answering the questions. He doesn't refer back to his talking points on every single question. He doesn't have a scripted answer for everything. It seems to me that he says what he thinks is right. And although I don't agree with him everytime, I respect what looks like genuine honesty without arrogance.

[quinnox]

6. Clark really impressed me at the last debate

He was forceful and intelligent in his answers, especially in regard to Iraq. I still prefer other candidates at this time, but I am liking Clark more lately.

[Patriot_Spear]

7. I think Clark has a proven track record of Leadership...

I like him for his successful military background and the fact that he is a combat veteran.

For me these are valuable credentials.

[swittersnc]

12. i had concerns

when he first announced his candidacy. but after watching him in the most recent debate i have to say that he is on his game. and besides, he has perfected a southern drawl.

[faithfulcitizen]

112. ah yes...

and perfect diction! especially when he says "security". just listen, you'll see what I mean.
:tinfoilhat:

[Don_G]

8. He Has Excellent Credentials

And is in my top three choices for a presendital candidate at this time.

[JanMichael]

9. I don't watch Sunday Morning political TV crap often.

But a couple of months ago I saw Clark on MTP and he gave a beautiful defence of the Progressive Income Tax. Short, to the point, and intelligent.

[Clark Can WIN]

110. That was one of the first things that attracted me to him, "way back"

In the CNN days. He was unapologetic and clear about his reservations without being shrill or undiplomatic.

At one point I turned to my husband and said "Now why can't this guy be our President?" Swear to God.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

11. Clark can take on the Republicans on...

foreign policy very well. This is important as this will be the issue next as Roveco will make it so. Wes Clark is a very talented leader as his military career has proven.

:dem:

[eleny]

13. My gut reaction to Clark since early this summer...

has been that here is an individual that I would trust my life with. And that trust has only grown over the past 6 months.

I don't agree with each and every one of his positions. For instance, I am for gay marriage where he only goes as far as civil unions. Also, I don't quite agree with what I've read about his position on Vietnam, having lived through that era. However, I do respect his having served faihtfully in the service. And his stand on gay civil unions provides the legal rights I want to see for GLBT couples.

I agree with his positions on the economy, health care, education and about our involvement in the Middle East. And I like that his campaign rallies around the concept of leadership. He even talks about leadership by teachers in the classroom. His expansion of health care for children up to the age of 22 is so important. I like this expansion of the CHP program.

This is a sort of scattered posting, touching here and there from the emotional to a few specifics. I'm learning that I don't need to agree 100% with any candidate. And that Clark is the individual who I agree with the most coupled with the fact that he would trounce Bush* in a debate and garner cross-over votes from Republicans.

[sweetheart]

14. Mr. Clark has my respect.. i like Ike

I think he has the chance to break the republican block with his middle-nonpartisan american unity. I don't like clintonism, and see clark as a harbinger of that, but that said, he has the tone to split the republians in a runoff and win the presidency for the democrats.

In this regard, i hope he's on the final ticket somehow... as he has an indefeatable argument against "security-fear"... and he is wise to the ways of senior civil servants and washington politics.

I like Ike, and methinks clark is sorta a believer in IKE. My dream ticket would be kucinich/clark with dean for head of the new national health service, mosely braun for urban development and housing, and warren buffet for treasury secretary.

[lostnfound]

48. A great dream..I think I'll adopt it.

I am getting more interested and more positive about Clark as the weeks roll by.
He does have a lot going for him. Not only smart, but a quick learner. I think he is able to discuss issues today that perhaps he has never needed to face in his career, yet he comes off as knowledgeable.
If he gets the nomination, I think he has a reasonably good chance of winning. And maybe it would help change the minds of some of the brainwashed Republican masses about liberalism and Democrats -- they can't very well complain about us not being for national security, for example.

It would be nice to have someone who can reshape the debate during the next term so that we can stop hearing the same whining and lame critiques from Republicans about the Democrats.

[returnable]

15. What a great idea

Thanks, Skinner!

Anyway, this is as good a place as any to share this anecdote: My dad was wearing a Draft Clark shirt this summer at some mall in rural NY. Some French guy came up to him and said "General
Clark? Yes! He's the one!"

One of the reasons I support Clark is I believe he's the best candidate to rebuild our alliances in Europe. To me, that's a pretty big issue.

Cheers :toast:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

104. They had an article about how the Europeans are rooting for Clark

to win.

[blm]

16. He has a likable persona.

I appreciate his intellect and that he is aligning with more liberal positions similar to Kerry's. I was worried at first that he'd be more moderate but am pleased to see a much more liberal bent.

He did show sincere liberal leanings in the early 90s when he was one of the few who came forward and supported Kerry when he was pushing for gays to serve openly in the military. I don't think enough people are aware of that. It was especially brave back then.

[Jerseycoa]

64. No, I didn't know that

"...early 90s when he was one of the few who came forward and supported Kerry when he was pushing for gays to serve openly in the military"

It fits the man, though. He's got the kind of mind that works straight through something beginning to end. A mind of his own, obviously. I learned only recently that he has been working for some time with Bono on AIDS in Africa, too, and in Haiti. I had no idea he was as committed as he is to solving social problems when I first decided on him as my candidate. But I've been pleased so far and surprised.

Last night he surprised me again. He was talking about the environment and all of a sudden he's on to the Plains and keeping the land open and repopulating it with buffalo. I'm not quite sure I have it all, but the way I understood it, this is so the region can earn tourism revenue from people wanting to see and take pictures of buffalo. In turn, the revenue earned would be to the benefit the local farmers helping them to keep the family farms going. This isn't an actual policy, but something he is thinking about. I present it here to show how he thinks and thinks and thinks.

[Justice]

98. Thanks

I didn't know about his work with Kerry or with Bono.

Great stuff, and shows he was committed to these issues long before announcing.

[Cheesehead]

17. Clark has become the best off-the-cuff speaker of the lot

His humanity, common sense and encyclopedic knowledge are extraordinary, and I love to watch him work. I'm sticking with Kucinich in the primary, but the general is my choice should he stumble.

[mot78]

18. He's the only one capable of uniting the party

he has a large grass roots contingent, and he laos has support from traditional entities (sadly, some of them see him as the "stop Dean" guy, which will make it a problem to reach out to less ABB-leaning Dean supporters when he gets nominated.)

[Hep]

19. So many good things about Clark

He's articulate, intelligent, compassionate, experienced. He presents himself very well. He advocates a sense of community and duty among us, something that has been sorely lacking in recent years. I'll happily support him if he wins the nomination.

[cally]

20. Clark believes in democracy

Last night he got true tears when he spoke about the right to question government policies. I may not agree with him all the time, but he believes in the same democracy I do. I think that is why he is running.

He also has the credentials and background that can protect him from some attacks. His agenda is fairly liberal, but it is not portrayed as such since he is a four star general. I think he will be the President who will challenge the military-industrial complex.

Today, I watched an interview with him. I've never heard a candidate explain better why we need taxes. He understands and can explain why government is important. He is informed, curious, smart, and seems to enjoy learning from others. I trust him to put the countryNd the world first.

[Toronto Ron]

21. For those with some mathematics (calculus) background

In a New York Times article a couple of weeks ago (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/politics/campaigns/23CLAR.html?ex=1070168400&en=9dcee45dd885de2d&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE), Clark talked about his spatial orientation:

"I always had good spatial orientation," he said. "I always saw big patterns in life and how things would move." He offered two examples. The first was from high school. The math class was trying to figure out how to integrate x sin(x). The textbook was silent on it. "All of a sudden I realized how to integrate x sin(x)," he said. "And I was so incredibly happy."

I found that pretty damn cool. Also, I had previously read (sorry, no reference) that had he not embarked on a military career, one of the career paths he was considering was theoretical physics. I think he was offered scholarships to Duke and Georgia Tech.

Aside from that, I support General Clark because I see in him a rare combination of charisma, intellect, and compassion.

[ajacobson]

22. Clark will draw in new voters

Clark's path to the candidacy will connect with people who may not be dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. Like General Clark has said "I'm not a politician, I'm a public servant."

Lots of people are sick and tired of politics as usual. I don't mean issues, I mean the process. I see Clark contrasting favorably with the pResident. One candidate worked his way up from a humble middle class upbringing with a distinguished record of national service. The other was given everything and worked for nothing.

Does Clark personify every essense of my personal political beliefs? No way. No candidate could. I would define my politics as left of Democratic. He's a moderate, without a doubt. I do see him and his campaign as a way to achieve my most pressing goal--dismissal of the Bush 43* regime. Four more years of 43* is bad for our country, bad for what exists of the left in this country and bad for the world. I am willing to set aside my own main political concerns (building a truly progressive anti-corporate mass political party) in favor of addressing this urgent need for U.S. regime change.

I'm sure I've taxed the patience of my readers long enough. Thank you.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. As someone who had major concerns about Clark when he threw his hat in

the ring, I have to say he is slowly winning me over. I wish he would come out for single payer (government)healthcare. I beleive it is the best solution. However having supported candidates who I don't totally agree with in the past (Rendell, Gore... and you all know how I love Al Gore) I am willing to do so again based on several factors. I find him to be straightforward and fearless in the face of the media. I find him to be honest and to care about many of the issues I care about. He tells the truth about 2000 and his ideas on education are right on the money.
I am still leary of clayfeet. However I am finding myself more and more interested in what he has to say.
I may even give in and start watching some of the debates.

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. He may be able to draw a lot of votes from men and women in uniform

That group of people tends to vote for Republicans, especailly since Clinton's first election.

[KittyWampus]

25. He Mentioned Returning Buffalo To The Great Plains

while discussing a Long View for America's Land Use.

[kaitykaity]

27. I really like Clark as Dean's #2.

Clark's strengths buttress Dean's weaknesses,
and vice versa.

I think the Dean/Clark ticket would be a winner
against the BOGUS POTUS, and that's all I really
care about.

[chimpymustgo]

31. Clark has it ALL - and could be a uniter for both the Dems and the country

I think Clark and Edwards both have the unique combination of warmth, smarts, looks and appeal that could soothe the party after a caustic primary battle. And both these guys could get votes in the south, as well as swing and independent voters. That's what we need for the party and the country.

Don't we want a candidate who can appeal across the board, across the country? I'd love to see Clark and Edwards on the same ticket.

[jpgray]

28. He's impressive

Smart as hell obviously, and doubtless skilled in politics having moved up so far in the Army. He will have had foreign affairs experience up the yin yang from his NATO position, and he sure does have a look to inspire voters. Also, what I've seen so far of his statements is very encouraging.

Unfortunately, I am having trouble getting a real feel for the man behind the statements. I haven't researched him as much as the others, so give me a few weeks. :)

[The Magistrate]

29. In My View

Gen. Clark is the candidate most vapable of taking the fight to the enemy.

The reactionaries are used to attacking Democratic candidates as naive on matters of war and peace, and are certainly intending to pitch this election on such issues. Gen. Clark is immune to such attacks, and will make any who attempt them look foolish. It is always adviseable to deprive the enemy of an accustomed weapon he has grown dependent on. It forces him to fight in an unaccustomed manner, and that breeds mistakes and miscalculations.

[maddezmom]

30. Wes Clark

He is not afraid to take on Bush or administration on the big issues. Patriot Act, gays in the military, 9/11 and many many more.

[slinkerwink]

32. I'll say something nice about Clark....

is that he's done a great job in stirring up the grassroots base of his campaign.

[Qutzupalotl]

33. He'll be on Hardball on Monday...

if you are interested. He strikes me as the kind of candidate that Matthews would like (military--though I know he likes Dean). Should be some good rapid-fire questions there.

Clark can think on his feet. He's diplomatic, which will be a refreshing change to our foreign relations. As another poster mentioned, he will draw off many Republican voters disenchanted with the squatter. That's huge. That's like getting two votes from the first-time-voter column, because it takes away from Bush's total.

His military background totally negates Rove's strategy of "running on the war." The photo ops of the flight suit and the turkey trot will pale in comparison to a real military record.

Best of all, someone who's experienced the horrors of war first-hand will be less likely to send our kids off to die for oil, empire, or any reason except self-defense.

A little moderate for my tastes, but a guaranteed win in '04. Boy, can I ever live with that!!

[Dookus]

34. Thanks Skinner...

great idea!

I'd encourage anybody interested in Clark to watch his town hall meeting at Phillips Exeter Academy. CSPAN has it at http://www.cspan.org/VideoArchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&Page=2

He gave a short, yet rousing speech, then took about an hour of questions. He's articulate, nuanced, and incredibly knowledgeable.

He railed against the stolen election of 2000, fought hard against the notion that dissent is unpatriotic, and made a moving case for reclaiming the flag from Republicans.

Watch that performance and imagine for one minute George W. Bush trying to do the same thing. It would be laughable. General Clark is a very clear contrast to GWB and will be immune to the typical Republican charges of unpatriotism and liberal weakness.

I believe that Clark, more than any other candidate, can win in '04.

[Jerseycoa]

65. My God

Was he not splendid on the 2000 election.

[Zomby Woof]

35. His campaign is improving each week

He came alive in the last debate when blasting Chimpy on Iraq. His creds as a general may just be one way to get the ear of people who initially supported the war, but are having second thoughts. We need the Bush-doubters to switch to the Dems, and Clark may be helpful in that regard.

[chimpymustgo]

36. Just gets better and better with time. Like a fine wine.

nt

[democratreformed]

37. I have been a supporter

of Wesley Clark from the way back. I was a part of the draft movement. I was not a "key" player in that movement but I added my voice over and over again b/c I saw something that appealed to me.

I first took note of General Clark during his war commentary on CNN. Interested to learn more, I turned to the internet. There, I found lots of information. I also found the General's "Leadership for America" forum. On that board, I spent many hours discussing various topics. Also, some topics I just observed and learned from others. It was the first thing of that nature that I actively participated in.
It was refreshing to feel that my opinions and ideas were actually asked for. It was even more refreshing to have others listen and speak back to me. It was great to never be downgraded for my ignorance. Perhaps best of all, it was exhilirating (sp?) to learn about things that I hadn't taken much interest in before. Also, the months of waiting on the General's decision was nerve wracking. It felt so empowering when the "Yes" answer finally arrived. We felt that we had actually been a part of something important - that we had helped make a difference.

When that board was abruptly decomissioned (sp?) upon General Clark's announcement of his candidacy, I immediately went in search of an alternate. I have yet to find any place where the types of intellectual discussions that ocurred on that board are equaled.

As I said, that board served as one of my introductions to General Clark. Since that time, I have spent loads of time learning about him. I have also supported him with my money and my time.

Why do I support General Clark? There are many reasons. He is intelligent. He understands diplomacy and working together with others toward a common goal. He understands that many issues cannot be addressed as either-or but that real progress sometimes requires compromise. He did not spend a good portion of his life dreaming of how he could become President. A group of people who like what they say in him convinced him that he had something we need. That is why he decided to enter the race. Because we asked him to. Not because some rich or powerful or influential person convinced him but because WE did. And you know what? I am nobody - just a middle class working girl who struggles every day to get ahead and make a good life for my family. But MY voice helped convince General Clark to subject himself to all the slamming and ridicule that he has been subjected to since September. I feel like he truly is doing this for me along with all other Americans. He didn't wake up one morning and just decide that he was "the man". Many thousands of voices joined together and told him he had something to offer and, in the end, he listened.

I also want to add that as time goes on, the things that I see from General Clark only help to reinforce my initial impression that he is the absolute best person for this job. No, he does not know everything. No, he is not perfect. But, he is willing to learn and, above all, LISTEN.

Also, I want to say thanks to the administrators of this forum for all that you are doing to try to quell the negativity and hatred on here. This idea is a great one. Thanks again.

[democratreformed]

57. This is what I'm talking about

Wednesday, December 3, 2003: Phillips Exeter Academy, Exeter, New Hampshire

Quoted from Wesley Clark:

For me this is a call to service...

The clinching argument was delivered by my son who is a 33 year old screenwriter in Hollywood. When my wife was a little bit concerned and said she didn't really want to - didn't think we needed to do this - thought we'd done enough.

And my son said - he said, "Mom." He said, "You can't say that." He said, "This family has always stood for public service. That's why you moved me from school to school and house to house." And he said, "You just have to think and ask yourself this question. How safe will your new grandchild be if Dad isn't President?"

So for me it's a very personal mission. I'm in this for public service. It's not something I worked for all my life. It's not something planned or plotted for. It's not that because this is the best opportunity or the last opportunity or anything of the sort. I'm here because I think America is in trouble. And I think that we are going to be running in 2004 in an election in which a President is going to unscrupulously use national security, patriotism, and the American flag to try to crush the Democratic Party. And he's going to try to crush the democratic spirit in America. I'm running because that must not happen to our country. And I need your support. Thank you.


I hadn't heard about this but found it on the Clark blog here:http://barbara-s.forclark.com/story/2003/12/4/61220/1314

[Jerseycoa]

66. I watched it last night

When he said this I started bawling and, trust me, I do not cry except in extreme circumstances. I guess these times are just that.

"It's not that because this is the best opportunity or the last opportunity or anything of the sort. I'm here because I think America is in trouble. And I think that we are going to be running in 2004 in an election in which a President is going to unscrupulously use national security, patriotism, and the American flag to try to crush the Democratic Party. And he's going to try to crush the democratic spirit in America. I'm running because that must not happen to our country."

[OKNancy]

38. One of my favorite things to read

at the Clark blog are the stories of Cris Hernandez. He was Clark's security officer. ( I think from reading that, he was like a personal secretary) He would take a bullet for Clark, and he tells wonderful stories about his time with him.

[RandomUser]

40. I love Cris's accounts

He really gives a feel for what it's like to live and serve under Clark day in and day out. Gives a feel for the man behind the title.

[RandomUser]

58. Link to Cris

www.cris.forclark.com

[FrenchieCat]

39. Impressed on DU's tact to do this....Cheers!

I support Clark for many reasons. The most important, IMO is that he really can beat Bush.

Bush will run on the issues of Leadership, likeability, success on the war on terror (no US attacks since 9/11), and patriotism.

Clark can combat all of those issues, as he has; Gravitas in the Foreign policy area, Moxie as a true patriot and civil servant, Gift of articulation, and Charisma up the yang-yang.

Clark can take enough states in the South (Arkansas & LA) to allow for a real win. Also he will get many defectors from the military, when you include families and veterans that amounts to 31 million. If he can take even 1/3 away from Bush, that's 10 million extra votes! Clark can easily capture the moderates, independent, centrist, disenchanted Republicans, and even some on the Christian Right that are starting to see that Bush's policy really involve a lot of killing.

Clark is strong and fearless but in a southern gentleman way. This is most effective when dealing with Bush, who himself has used the "Likeability" card for himself.

Although Clark has not opted out of public financing, I believe that if chosen as the nominee, he can still be a force between March and July. With Orgs such as Move-on, Unions, Soros, etc.... concentrating on assailing Bush, doing Voter registration and putting boots on the ground; Clark would be able to spend his money advertising himself.

Some are saying that Clark is Dead Man walking because he decided to stick with public financing......I think that's a myth....because We will not win this election based on money. However much any candidate raises, the Republicans will raise that much more. Good organization will be vital to keep the press from misinforming on our candidate.....and that is something that we have.

MONEY WILL NOT BE THE BIGGEST FACTOR, as many would like to think.

This election will be won by the best candidate, as Americans realize that the wrong choice will be very dangerous to the world. That candidate should be General Wesley Clark.

[bain_sidhe]

41. I support Clark because

I think he's the person most able to fix the mess GWB* has made in the world arena. Bush* has destroyed America's standing in the world, and made the world more hostile and more dangerous - all around, but, being an American, I'm naturally most concerned about the fact that he's made it more hostile to *us*. I'm convinced Clark can restore our standing and repair our alliances. Because, to me, the next election IS about foreign policy - while our domestic problems are huge and urgent, fixing them will depend in part on world trade and our standing in the global community.

That said, I think it's a mistake to assume that Bush* will make the election about foreign policy... I think he'll try to make the election about whatever he perceives his opponent's greatest weakness to be. If the nominee is Dean, he'll try to make it about foreign policy, yes, but if it's Clark, he will most likely try to make it about domestic concerns, most especially taxes (for instance, Bush* will scream, "HE'S GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES!!" whenever Clark mentions repealing some of the tax cuts scheduled to take place in the next few years).

But, IMHO, the next election *should* be about foreign policy, because it's Bush's* foreign policies that threaten our national security the most. IMHO, of course!

NOTE: I support Clark, Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards, Kucinich, Braun, Lieberman and Sharpton, in that order. But I think any one of them would be a better President than Bush*!

**edited for spelling!**

[wyldwolf]

42. Clark has shown that he will not back down from the neo-cons...

When he disagreed with Shelton, he went above him to Clinton to prove his case - and he was right!

[mmonk]

43. General Clark

I support him because of his full grasp at what is at stake in this election. Its all about what America stands for, has stood for, in the eyes of the world and in our constitutional rights and governmental checks and balances. He has a dream resume for this country at this particular time of need. He will not let the Republicans misuse the flag and patriotism and the government mechanisms to intimidate or silence the political opposition in this country nor wage unnecessary wars. He will repair our image in the world and restore our honor.

[GOPBasher]

44. He can beat the Repugs on their own turf.

Remember in 2000 how all the issues important to voters were Democratic issues? The top issues were education, social security, health care, etc. The only issues that Repugnants had advantages in, defense and taxes, were not popular issues. So, Bush had to run on Democratic issues, and he managed to make it close enough to steal. Bush * coughcoughcough* "won" on Democratic turf.

I believe Clark can do the same. National security is the number one issue is the post-9/11 world. Unfortunately, the majority of the public believe repugs are better on these issues. (Yes, that's bullshit, but if I can change the mind of the public, the world would be a better place.) But Clark can run against Bush on national security. He can win on their turf.

[neuvocat]

45. He said the Supreme Court stole the election.

Twice.

[DemExpat]

46. I support Clark because of his international experience

...and his ability to see many sides of an issue with his keen intelligence and earnest concern.

I admire his placing the nation and the world above party and ideology, and his years of experience as a non-partisan operator.

He seems very Presidential to me, strong on defense to dispel Republican criticisms of Dems in general, and, most of all, seemingly appealing to Dems and Repubs alike....enough hopefully to win the election in 2004.

Wes seems socially liberal enough for me, and, I really like the man!

:kick: Clark :kick:

Generally, I loved America's image while Clinton was at the helm, and I hope that Clark, as president, will do far more to bring some good will and unity into the world.

DemEx

[ACK]

47. I am leaning toward him after watching him talk to the kids

At that Exeter school or whatever last night on CSPAN. He was articulate and straight-forward and really seemed to care.

He was up-front about fumbling that one question on voting for the war.

He was clear on the environment, education, the war, and healthcare.

I really like him. He seems like he would be a good president. We need to take back the Congress though or the Repukes will investigate him over and over again till they make it hard for him to get anything done. But that goes for any of the candidates.

[Jerseycoa]

67. Those kids

He didn't have them to start with. They resisted. But as the time went by, they came over, I like to think convinced by his straightforwardness and intellectual integrity. It was nice to watch.

[ACK]

102. He did not impress me at first but I really like the guy

He was impressive to watch.

[AmericanDem]

49. Clark's Heart of Gold for the USA

Most will lists Clarks, education, intelligence, proven leadership etc. when first describing him to others. The one thing that isn't mentioned as often is Clark's Heart of Gold for America.

With all the gifts he was given at birth, Clark chose to serve his country for most of his life. There aren't many fine men we can look up to like that anymore. We should be grateful to have him.

[CMT]

50. I have grown to respect Gen. Clark

he has really come along on the campaign trail after a rocky first week or two and is now offering a strong contribution to the campaign and critique of Bush. While I support another candidate I could easily support Clark if he is the nominee.

[JNelson6563]

54. same here

I caught a bit of him on C-Span last night and I was impressed with the way he handled some (IMO) assinine questions with grace.

While I know there are some who support Dean that hate the idea, I am quite certain having the Doctor and the General on the same ticket would be a landslide.

Even if Bush had brothers in 49 other states he'd lose. ;-)

Julie

[rasputin1952]

51. As a vet, I view Wes Clark as sort of a combination of...

Omar Bradley and Dwight Eisenhower. Clark has the humanity of Bradley, and the incredible ability of organization that Eisenhower showed in WWII.

If one wants to go a step further, there is a lot of George Marshall there as well.

These three military men had incredible skills in different areas, and Clark seems to be capable of posessing, as well as using all of those skills, in a single individual.

Intellectually, especially on the RW, no one even comes close to Clark's capacity. (I still think the GOP goes to the local vegetable bin to find candidates).

Clark came in late, stumblede a few times, but has risen to fight again each time. His exchange with Hannity was classic, and FAUX will avoid him like the plague; this man FIGHTS!

There are few Commanders in the military that soldiers willingly trust their lives to, I see no problem with trusting the decisions Clark would make in combat. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines instinctively know who they can trust, and whom they should be wary of, Clark is a natural leader. Politics may not be his forte' at this moment, but keep a sharp eye on him; this man is going places!


O8)

[NNN0LHI]

75. Plus he looks like Gary Cooper, which does not hurt with older voters

And older voters go to the polls on election day which helps a great deal.

Don

[Scott Lee]

52. Clark has cajones - a real no-no in the Dem party strategy as of late

And that's why I like him. The way he filleted that ignorant ass on FOX was inspiring, and a must view for anyone checking out Wesley Clark.

If the nation really is going to lean heavily on the military card (fears from 9/11) I'd say Clark has the clearest advantage. He was an actual soldier and commander, whereas Bush was a spoiled little rich boy who's daddy pulled strings to get him stateside "service".

Lastly, I admire him for the way he chided his fellow democrats on the infighting. He was right on the money. In fact, many here on DU could learn this lesson well.

[Justice]

53. Why I Like Wes Clark

He is brillant. I want my president to be brillant - to made me proud of his ability to understand complicated issues.

When he talks about social policy, tax policy, foreign policy - I am blown away at his grasp of the issues and of history.

Yet,a moment later he can relay the struggle to buy new curtains and bathmats upon a move because the old ones don't match the new place --or in the need to repair his car himself because even as a full colonel - he couldn't afford the $2000 in repairs. I can relate to those experiences - and I really like that he understands what I (and others) have faced.

He is not a politican. When I first saw him in Dover, he spoke to us and after he was finished, a staff person had to remind him to ask for money. He said - oh yeah and said "and send money"

I like that he says country before party. In this country, we need a leader who can transcend party.

To sum up, I will relay what he said at the Exeter town meeting - for space, I will abbreviate the statement ...

"I'm here because I think America is in trouble. And I think that we are going to be running in 2004 in an election in which a President is going to unscrupulously use national security, patriotism, and the American flag to try to crush the Democratic Party. And he's going to try to crush the democratic spirit in America. I'm running because that must not happen to our country."

[MoonRiver]

55. Clark. How do I support thee. Let me count the ways.

1.) You're brilliant. This has been proven through your history of academic achievement.
2.) You are a distinguished international leader. The level of sophistication is takes to coordinate a multi-national military coalition are incomprehensible to the average person. I know you would be extremely skilled at healing and re-building the alliances which * has horribly fractured.
3.) You are a true liberal. 99% of your views coincide with mine, and IMHO, the majority of Americans.
4.) You have incredible charisma. Successful politicians must possess this quality.
5.) You can draw in an amazingly wide diversity of voters, ranging from liberal Dems to Independents to moderate Repubs to military (whatever their party affiliation) personnel to the elderly and the young.
6.) Finally, because of all the above, I believe you have the best chance of beating the *. Many of US on DU and elsewhere are literally drooling at the prospect of a "debate" between Rhodes Scholar, Supreme Commander of NATO Forces, General Weslery Clark, and C (optimistically) student AWOL *!

:D

[_NorCal_D_]

56. I'll take this opportunity

to post one of my favorite Clark threads:

Watch Clark's fox interview.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=726001

I would urge any Clark skeptics to listen to the MP3 version of this interview. You can get it here: B-)
http://www.washingtondigital.us/Troops.htm B-)

[AWD]

59. He will be one-half....

...of the unbeatable Presidential ticket.

What he lacks, Dean has full command over. What Dean lacks, Clark has full command over.

I would love to see Clark, who has a full command of foreign policy (hell, his name is synonymous with it) team up with Dean, who has a solid record of balancing the budget. Two traits that many people seem to associate with the right-wing, and we have it all covered (and then some) on the Democratic ticket!

And whichever man gets the nod, he will have the most influential and powerful VP in the history of this country!

[AWD]

60. I've been REALLY busy lately.....

...you know, my own campaign....so could somebody educate me on Clark's position?

Pro-choice or pro-life? Examples of his stance?

Balanced budget? Any comments from Wes on it?

Does he have anything to say on steel tariffs?

Thanks in advance.

[bicentennial_baby]

63. I'll try

"General Wesley Clark responds to President Bush's Comments on a Woman's Right to Choose

"Our Congress and our citizens would not -- and should not -- tolerate a return to the dark days before Roe v. Wade. I stand with the United States Constitution, the United States Supreme Court, and the majority of the American people in believing that our government has no right to come between a woman, her family, and her doctor in making such a personal and private decision."


http://clark04.com/press/release/049/


Saving For America's Future


"Wes Clark has a plan to save $2.35 trillion over ten years. The plan reduces the deficit and frees up money to invest in priorities like education and health care. Under Wes Clark's plan the deficit is reduced every year. But this plan is only a down payment on the challenging goals of a balanced budget and full readiness for the retirement of the baby boomers - and further tough steps will be needed. Deficit reduction and investment in priorities are key parts of Wes Clark's plan to jumpstart the economy and create jobs, save for the future, and invest in people.


Putting America on a course for more fiscal responsibility in the future would be good for the economy today, helping to restore confidence, keeping long-term interest rates lower, while ensuring that America meets its obligations to the future. That's why Wes Clark is proposing a plan to save more than $2 trillion for America's future - providing resources to reduce the deficit and invest in priorities like healthcare and education. Wes Clark's "Saving for America's Future Plan" provides effective stimulus for the economy without increasing the deficit in 2004 and 2005 by redeploying $100 billion in tax cuts for the most fortunate families into bigger bang-for-buck investments in homeland security, state fiscal relief, and incentives for business to create jobs and grow."

More here:

http://clark04.com/issues/economicplan/


Wes Clark's Manufacturing Security Plan

The manufacturing sector is the backbone of the American economy. In the 1990s, growth in manufacturing contributed an estimated 22 percent of overall GDP growth. In 2002, the manufacturing sector constituted roughly 16 percent of total U.S. economic output. However, the manufacturing sector has been hit hard by the Bush recession. Since President Bush took office, the manufacturing sector has lost more than 2.5 million jobs-one out of every seven jobs in the manufacturing sector. That's more lost manufacturing jobs 33 months than in the previous 20 years combined. The economy has shed manufacturing jobs each and every month George W. Bush has been President. Wes Clark's New American Patriotism agenda involves making smart economic choices to get America moving in the right direction again. Wes Clark proposes a three-pronged Manufacturing Security Plan:

Jumpstart the manufacturing sector and get jobs growing today
Stop rewarding companies that move jobs overseas and start rewarding companies that produce in America
Create the conditions for the manufacturing sector of the future"

More here:

http://clark04.com/issues/manufacturing/

Hope that helps!

[Justice]

88. Steel Tariffs and Unions

One thing Clark talked about last night was the importance of unions, and how without unions we would not have protections and benefits like workers compensation, pension, sick pay, vacation pay etc. He really highlighted why unions are so important and what they have done in history for every worker - union or nonunion.

[curse10]

61. I really like Clark

He's my second choice. And he seems very electable. I would personally not have any trouble voting for him if he got the nomination.

:-)

[RetroLounge]

62. I loved what Wes Clark did

to the Fox News guy. We need more of that!

[Schmendrick54]

68. I am very happy to contribute to this thread!

First, these threads are a great idea. We should keep recycling these threads thorughout the primaries.

Second, I concur with virtually all of the positives that have been mentioned by others.

Finally, my own favorite impressions of Gen. Clark:

(1) His comment to the effect that he "wore the uniform for real" (or something like that) as part of a comment about Bush. When I heard this I busted out laughing. I think that Gen. Clark is uniquely qualified to characterize Bush as the phony dress-up warrior-wannabe that Bush really is (and I hope he does it whether he is the nominee or not.)

(2) His reference to Bush's "bring 'em on" statement as fatuous is also a solid blow to Bush's false bravado.

(3) When Wolf Blitzer interviewed him this weekend he kept trying to egg the general into saying that Howard Dean was not qualified to be CinC, but Gen. Clark refused to take the bait. He scored a lot of points with me by doing so.

Although I am currently working hard for another candidate, I have tremendous admiration for General Clark, and if he wins the nomination I will be very happy to report for duty as a volunteer and contribute to his campaign.

[Spazito]

69. There are many reasons to like Clark, here are a few of mine...

He has a way of articulating his thoughts in a way that connects, he uses examples we can all identify with.

He relishes a challenge. You can see that when he is listening to someone ask a tough question, he gets this smile on his face that says okay, good one.

He doesn't back down from anyone. He lays it on the line and moves on.

As a Canadian, what Bush has done to our relationship, along with many other countries, is dispicable and I believe Wesley Clark can repair that damage and strengthen those relationships even more than they were before Bush.

[wiley]

70. Wesley Clark is a unique man

Although the media tries to get short bite answers to everything, then mix it up with sensationalized public interest stories, Wesley Clark has far too much experience and intelligence to allow for the distortion of a nuanced answer. In the last month, against an onslaught of negative media, and fierce, well financed primary opponents he has not only learned how to communicate effectively through available media, but inspired his followers while doing so. On C-Span last night, he gave answer after answer that made me proud to be an American in a country where a man from humble beginnings with barely a penny to his name for decades could take on the current resident of The White House with positive, visionary and compassionate answers. When he doesn't have an answer to a very specific question, he says so. His International and domestic policies on AIDS are not apologetic or compromizing, nor will he back down from his criticism of how poorly the military is treated by the current administration. Even when criticising, sometimes very sharply but always on target, he offers a positive alternative. He's not angry for himself, he's angry that the liberties and freedoms that we have fought for and to which we are entitled are being usurped. His policy papers are detailed and sometimes visionary. He's optimistic yet knows he has to work hard to take this country back, and he communicates that to those who would listen. It's called leadership with courage and integrity. He also strongly believes that religion is a personal matter, and that no government has the right to codify disapprobation against those who do not adhere to any inflexible doctrine.

[AntiCoup2K4]

71. It's inevitable that Clark should have a role in the next administration.

Though he's not my first choice for the top of the ticket, I'll have no problem voting for him if he's there. Clark as VP would be my preference.

Secretary of Defense would be another obvious natural choice for someone of Clark's background. And given his experience in Europe, he'd also be a good choice for Secretary of State, repairing some of those relationships that have been destroyed by Bush & the PNAC'ers.

[Malva Zebrina]

72. Myself and hubby watched Clark last night

it was a pleasure. To actually see and hear a man who addressed the issues so intelligently and so easily and be so well informed, without any hesitation was, to say the least, refreshing, compared to the chimp and his backdrops and his staged, scripted on stage plays that we have been subjected to since the coup. I really like Clark a lot--he does connect well, has a photogenic appearance, and has a firm grasp on all the issues.

[Lefta Dissenter]

73. GREAT IDEA, ADMINS!

I agree with absolutely every wonderful thing that has been said so far about Clark.

I would like to add to that that I admire Wesley Clark because he sets his standards high. He won't be just good enough to beat the chimp out of the White House. His goal is not just to become president. His goal is to make this a better country and help us to be better Americans.

He didn't need this campaign, and until a few months ago, he didn't even know that he wanted it, but he has such love for this country that when he was called to help, he had to answer.

We'll never have to worry that he will be sneaking around, seeing what he can get away with. He is a man of honor and integrity, and he will do his absolute best for us, even if it is well beyond what is required or expected. I don't want a president who is like I was as a student - just barely doing enough to squeak by. I want a president who will amaze us with his accomplishments and with his vision. I want a president who will make us wish that we could repeal the term limits. I want a president who will inspire our children and grandchildren to become better people. I want a president who will inspire the rest of the world.

I truly believe that if we can get Wesley Clark into the White House, he will help to lead our country to new heights that we have only dreamed of before today.

[no name no slogan]

74. I'd love to see a Clark vs. Shrub debate

I'd like to see Gen. Clark give Dubya a serious case of redass, especially when it comes to patriotism and the military.

Some AWOL Yaley-boy ex-chearleader against an ex-General who served his country in uniform in several armed conflicts? Heheheheheh! THAT would be SWEET!

:spank:

[Dr Fate]

82. Bush will be AWOL from Clark Debates- mark my word...

Rove will engineer somthing to get him out of it...

[Donna Zen]

76. Thanks and why

On another forum, the discussion months ago turned to the Democrats favorite question: Who can beat Dubya? It was a fairly unanimous that we needed a counter to the regime’s national security card or we would lose. But who did we have. Clark. Ramsey Clark? NO..no...Wesley Clark? Wesley who? A general, but is he liberal?

General Clark turned out not only to be liberal, but very liberal. Not only in possession of four stars, but brilliant, respected in the world, a multinationalilist, and brave. At home with the brave.

So I wrote: Dear General Clark, please consider running.

And I read, oh how much I read. Then one morning my eyes flew open without the usually slow drag into wakefulness, and I realized two things: that I, the antiwar, antigovernment, anti-general woman, actually liked and respected Wesley Clark. I also knew that the right-wing would go after him with a fury that few if any candidates have ever experienced. (Little did I know then that the left would display just as sad a group-think effort to ruin Clark’s reputation.) Clark has already sacrificed far more than most American’s do for this country; he did not have to make this run, endure the slings and arrows. So I wrote: Dear General Clark, I thought it over and think you should not run.

Well, here we are. We have a candidate that can take those national security issues off the table leaving the regime with little to run on. We have a candidate that can be as liberal as we want him to be, and still be called “moderate” by the pundits and the vast majority who pay little attention to who they are electing. What a thing of beauty.

My thoughts have changed a great deal since those early discussions of “who can beat bush.” Clark has proven to be a man with a vision for America that one can only dream of. Leveling the profits between the boardrooms and those that actually do the labor. Understanding that saying “we are all born equal” is not enough. We must all be treated equally under the law. He firmly understands that our environment and our Constitution are the two most important things this country possesses, and we must guard those two with all of the strength that we possess. He demands accountability of those who govern, and further demands that the citizens be included in an honest dialogue if we are to remain a democracy. Clark knows that it is our values and laws that will change the world, not our bombs.

On 9/11 my classes asked me if we would go to war. I told them--god, I’m lucky I don’t get fired for some of truth telling I do--I told them “yes,” but that is not what concerned me at that moment, because the back alleys of the world would continue to produce more people who were willing to fly planes into buildings as long as the demons of ignorance and poverty were there to feed the hatred. That what they needed to listen for was someone who understood that hatred could not be bombed out of existence. The should listen for someone who called on the world to honestly face the sources of terrorism and develop a world where those who now have no voice are given a voice. Then they should vote for them.

Read what Clark is saying. Read what he says about international institutions, development of leadership within the countries of Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. Read what he has to say about the true strengths of our democracy. Clark is a person of broad vision who sees what most don’t see; and those that do, won’t talk about. He is talking about what is essential for America and the world. I’ve learned much from Wes 101, that is why I will vote for him. We have been offered a rare gift with this man. Will we accept it?

[DeepModem Mom]

77. "This country was founded on...principles of the enlightenment."

"We should be very clear on this....This country was founded on the principles of the enlightenment. It was the idea that people could talk, have reasonable dialogue and discuss the issues. It wasn't founded on the idea that someone would get struck by a divine inspiration and know everything, right from wrong. People who founded this country had religion, they had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back."

Wesley Clark

[OKNancy]

100. I know exactly when and where that was said!!!

That was the moment I said..."that's the guy"
And of all places, on the Bill Mahr(sp) show.

[leftchick]

78. Clark pulls in the moderate repubs, independents and all sorts of Dems...

That is the bottom line for me. We have a very tough road to hoe, with the electronic voting machine issue being primary in my mind. A nominee that appeals accross the board is the best strategy. I was leaning for Dean and still have my moments. Yet Clark has really come together in my mind like no other. He is fearless in such a positive way when confronted by the media whores it is a wonderful sight! Go General!!!!

[NNN0LHI]

80. I think his time as a CNN analyst helped him learn how the media game...

...works. Which is very important. There are Dems who have been in DC for decades and still have no clue how the media operates. Clark does. This is a great advantage.

Don

[ramapo]

79. I respect him even when I disagree

He seems to be a genuinely patriotic, non-partison leader.

It is a positive that he doesn't carry the baggage of years as a Democrat. He looked at the two parties and signed on to the one that today best fits his views and would provide a means to address his concerns for the country.

There is no other candidate that carries anywhere near the credibility of Clark in military and national security matters. That is an enormous benefit as it cuts the common Republican attack off at the knees.

I was very troubled by Clark's comments about leaving the software programming jobs in India. I don't know if he misspoke or if he really thinks this. Emotionally I strongly disagree because I've seen firsthand what has happened to the industry that I "grew up" in. Realistically I don't know that there is a way (certainly not an easy way) to get many of these jobs back so Clark may be correct.

Anyway I respect Clark's intelligence and thoughtfulness enough to listen and carefully think about his position, even when I find it very troubling.

[Justice]

91. Outsourcing/Software

You are right to be concerned about this - it is a troubling issue.
I work with IT people, so can appreciate the concern.

What I heard Clark say is this

1) The fact is "software" jobs have gone to India and it will be tough to get them back (but see #3). They are there now because of cost (although originally they went there because of time/need to push product to market more than cost).

2) In America we need to focus on the "new new thing" - new technologies - biotech, life sciences, environmental technologies. Still using software and other IT - but in innovative ways. The innovation is what America is known for. Build innovative technologies for Americans.

3) Go thru the tax code and close every loophole that makes it attractive to go to India. At the same time, create tax incentives for companies to keep the jobs in the US.

This is a well reasoned approach. He is not being crass about software - he wasn't in control in 2001 to stop the bleed to India - but would but policies in place to make it harder for it to keep happening.

[BootinUp]

109. That's quite a statement

If you don't mind me saying. I mean that he has made a strong impression, and you still listen to him, even after you heard something that could have turned you off to him.

There's something about the guy that's so unpolitician even when he is being one.

I wish he had worked through that statement about India more, but I truly think he ad-libs quite a bit and that may be what happened there.

cheers

[Toucano]

113. Debate format time limits

work against a person whose brain is detail oriented. I'm sure that he doesn't intend to make some sort of "gift" out of jobs in any industry.

I remember one of the early criticisms of Clark was that he "micro-managed" things. I see that as an attribute, however. That's so much better than the chimp puppet who just does what his masters say.

[gottaB]

81. Was it four bullets Clark took in Vietnam?

Something like that. He's not a selfish person, to say the least. Like that story of him scaling down the cliff outside of Sarajevo. He wasn't able to save the men, but he acted heroically. (That story was in Holbrooke's book, retold in the Esquire profile).

If a man like that can't whup * all the way back to Crawford I don't know what's wrong with this country.

[TheDonkey]

83. Clark is a liberal...

and I'm lovin' it.

At first I was skeptical of Clark's "new found" party and this draft movement. But after reading his issues which are being placed on the website I see he has strong democratic and progressive ideas and policy.

I'm most excited about his talk of American modernization and energy independence, two views which attracted me to Kerry.

Clark is a democrat, very electable, and very camera friendly.

I'd love to see him on our ticket.

[Dr Fate]

84. Clark Burns Bush today:

Clark:
"Only someone who hasn't seen war firsthand would ever say anything as fatuous as 'bring 'em on.'''

[NNN0LHI]

86. Ouch! n/t

[Crewleader]

85. I think General Clark has what it takes to beat Bush!

I watched him through the debates and last night on CSPAN. He has the leadership and the experience this country needs with all the world nations admiring him as our President.

He's the biggest threat to Bush, a four star general who fought in combat in Vietnam, pulled himself up in ranks and demonstrated his actions as a leader of many men and women of the armed forces in Bosnia.

With all his education and knowledge he represents a President that people can respect and admire. There will be alot of pride in our government if General Wesley Clark is our President.

I personally liked what he had to say about not implementing the Draft...the disadvantages of not having a volunteer army. Not good for morale at all and he's so correct. I have stories of my brother who was drafted in Vietnam and plenty of criminals along with him.

I have a son who is 17 years old and he admires and respects what General Clark as to say and told me he would serve him if he was needed. I told my son I would like to see college first then if he deceides to join, start out as a officer, it's easier to move up. By the time college is through, I hope it's something else that catches his heart but I can understand why he sees serving a man with integrity like General Clark.

[HoosierClarkie]

87. General Wesley K. Clark

In meeting General Clark for the first time I realized what human greatness is. He draws people in while he is answering a question and you realize that he not only answers, but won't let you get away with just agreeing with him. He usually gives both sides to the question, tells you which side he's on, why he is not for the other, and asks you which side you are on? So complicated answers? Yes. Speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Yes. Clear about his view? Yes. After going home are you clear about yours? No. He makes you want to know more about him and about everything that matters in life.

Many experiences shaped his complexity. Short version: being poor bullied, and extremely intelligent are just a few. IMO this is where his real drive for this country stems from.

[Justice]

89. Great Observation

That Clark will share both (or all) sides with you and explain why he supports one side and not the other.

[Selwynn]

90. I really like how Clark presents himself...

Honestly I think many if not most of the democratic nominees have the basic right ideas and could take this country back in the right direction. But just on a personally level, I really like Clark every time I see him. I like what he says and I like how he says it. Look I realize that campaigns have communications directors and speechwriters, I'm just saying I love the language the Clark campaign uses to express its ideas.

To me, Clark presents himself as quite an idealist - that will always be attactive to me. I believe we need more leaders who can "dream of things that never were and ask, why not?"

I also believe he would be the most formidable foe against Bush in 2004. I think that the issues of 2004 will be around security and foreign policy and I believe that Clark stacks up well in the public eye there. I do worry that Clark's lack of campaign experience might cause him to shoot himself in the foot, and that would be truly tragic.

It is possible that Clark not being honest and has some other agenda, but if was to remain true to his word while in office, I would love to have him as my President.

[Donna Zen]

96. Honor code

It is possible that Clark not being honest and has some other agenda,

Clark knows very well the art of diplomacy, and can use its language as well as the best of them; however, he lives by a code of honor. Undoubtably we are use to filtering our politicans, trying to find the sparse truth among the buzz, but Clark is not a politican. He is something very unusual on the campaign trail, a public servant. Imagine this, he takes he word very seriously; he actually speaks the truth.

He will give up sleep, he will kiss the babies, but he will not give up his honor. It is his greatest strength, and may perhaps prove to be his greatest weakness; nevertheless, he comes across as honest, because he is.

[LTR]

92. I agree with everything said

But to any Clark doubters, I have but one question:

Wouldn't you just love to see a Clark/Bush debate next fall?

It's called Bush getting his just desserts!

[dansolo]

115. I'd almost rather see Clark/Cheney debate

We all know that Cheney is the real person behind this administration. I wouldn't be satisfied with Clark dancing rhetorical circles around Bush. I really want to see Clark rip into Cheney. Clark is one of the few people that I can imagine looking Cheney straight in the eye in a national debate and ask him the questions that we would all like to know the answers to.

[xray s]

93. Clark takes the Republican "soft on defense" attacks off the table

In fact, Clark gives us a strong plus over Bush on defense and foreign policy.

That opens up another very important benefit. Our candidates for House and Senate can defer to Clark's positions as their Commander and Chief. Then they can concentrate on domestic issues.

[RandomUser]

94. Good point about the coat-tails

If Clark is the nominee, then the House and Senate candidates can grab onto his coat-tails as a shield against these attacks. I've thought about the coat-tails, but mostly in terms of the southern association. I've never really realize the manner in which having Clark as a nominee would allow them to defer to him and negate those "weak on defense" attacks as a bonus.

Hmm...guess I learn something new every day. This is why I like DU :)

Thanks for posting this xray.

[sendero]

95. Wesley Clark...

... is a rarity. He is a person involved in politics that I actually admire. I've watched him in several interviews and every time he comes off as a brilliant, well-intentioned man.

I'd be happy to vote for Mr. Clark.

[quaker bill]

97. Clark is becomming a formidable candidate

While I do not agree that Clark's military experience truly negates the 'soft on defense' line the repugs favor, it no doubt makes it easier for Clark to address.

I am more impressed all the time with Clark's speeches and willingness to take on the misadministration.

I feel that he started a bit slower than the pundits expected, but he seems stronger each week.

While not my first choice, I would support Clark fully with my cash and my time if he is the nominee.

[LWolf]

99. Clark is reasonable.

That's what I think when I hear him speak. He is a voice of reason.

I like some of what he says about public education. I think his military experience can counteract the republican drive to win votes with fear.

[mzmolly]

101. I love this idea.... and think Clark is sincere...

Dennis Kucinich is a great Senator, and were lucky to have him on 'our' side.

:hi:

[Myra]

103. The man is a camel.

That's right; I said it.
General Clark is a camel.
Watch him in action, at a campaign appearance or debate, and
see what I mean.

I watched him on CSPAN last night, speaking at some school.
Don't even recall which one.
He was answering questions.
It lasted quite a while; much longer than his voice lasted in fact.
He was totally losing his voice; he kept going; he never reached
for a glass of water. He was so intense and focused and stoic.
I don't know why that impressed me so much but it did.

Incidentally, he also has fantastic qualities from what I've seen.
People already covered them here very well, so I won't repeat what they said.

But I would like to urge people to merely look at General Clark with an open mind.
I also urge people not to idolizing him, 'cause that's not doing him any favor.
And further ask that people don't demonize him, 'cause that is doing the BFEE a big favor.

I've looked at many of the recent columns attacking him, and in my opinon
they don't withstand scrutiny; they are blatant smears.
If you want to read more on that subject please see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=824791#827114
This is in keeping with rule #1, dispeling myths. :)
Woo hoo this is fun!

Thanks for your consideration.
And thanks to DU and the Daily Democrat for the forums!

Myra

[Toucano]

105. He knows a consigliere when he sees one!

And he has the courage and integrity to say it out loud.

http://clark04.com/press/release/103/

[mvd]

106. He's smart, honest, and knows the military

Basically, he'd show Bush to be the pretender that he is.

[frustrated_lefty]

107. He has charisma, and uses it to effect at times.

I wish he displayed more of that, but when he's hot he is definitely hot.

[Tinoire]

108. Well...

He does look presidential. That's not enough to make me vote for him because I disagree to strongly with him over other things but he is the most presidential-looking candidate by far.

My mother would tell him to stand though. It does not become him at all when he hunches over. Definitely a fine figure of a man.

There... Are my Clark-supporting friends happy now? ;)

Oh and on edit I should add that while I disagree with him vehemently, I admire his intelligence. The man is definitely bright and I do value that.

[bicentennial_baby]

114. Merci Tinoire!

That means a lot, seriously. :toast:

[AnnitaR]

111. Too many reasons to list as to why I support Clark.

This is just one of the latest:

Thursday, at Daniel Webster College in New Hampshire, Wes Clark set forth his guidelines for the use of force in a Clark administration.

WES CLARK'S TEN PLEDGES
http://www.americansforclark.com/issues/10pledges/

I have no doubt in my mind that this man is the one to beat Bush. I think he would even have a mandate. This country is waking up.

[moz4prez]

116. i support him for reasons i shall not ænumerate

one thing i will say, though . . .

his fashion sense is about as keen as mine! yikes!

[FrenchieCat]

117. Very Italian of him!

Legs not bad either!

[moz4prez]

118. penny loafers and ankle-high jean/trousers?

huh.

[Myra]

119. moz4prez...*please* tell me that picture is photoshopped.

It is, right???

Ohmygod it's too funny to be real.
Right?

[moz4prez]

120. dunno, Myra.

i found it off some wingnut's blog.

anyone know if this photo's apocryphal or not?

[VOX]

121. Clark is intelligent, has broad appeal, is telegenic and the real deal...

He would draw many independent voters, also the fence-sitters who usually want no part of the voting process.

Clark would be a catalyst in reshaping the Democratic Party into a winning entity.