Daily Democrat: A positive discussion about Dennis Kucinich

[Skinner]

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TIMING

We will discuss two Daily Democrats per day, and cycle through the list of presidential candidates in modified alphabetical order.

12/04 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/05 - Howard Dean ....... and ... Joe Lieberman
12/06 - John Edwards ...... and ... Carol Moseley Braun
12/07 - Dick Gephardt ..... and ... Al Sharpton
12/08 - John Kerry ........ and ... Wesley Clark
12/09 - Dennis Kucinich ... and ... Howard Dean
12/10 - Joe Lieberman ..... and ... John Edwards
12/11 - Carol Moseley Braun and ... Dick Gephardt
12/12 - Al Sharpton ....... and ... John Kerry
12/13 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/14 - Etc...

LET'S GET STARTED

Here's your chance for some positive discussion of Dennis Kucinich! Who wants to start it off?

[JohnKleeb]

1. Sounds like a neat idea skinner, maybe things will simmer off

Ok on Kucinich, got a lot of respect for the guy, been my candiate since early summer about. Thanks, this may get things better. I hope it does.

[swittersnc]

7. Kucinich is too good

if that's possible. he has, far and away, the most forward thinking vision of america and the world of any of the candidates.
and he had the best answer to the marijuana question in the boston debate. hadn't tried it but thinks it should be decriminalized.

[foo_bar]

26. too good?

Doesn't that violate the positivity rule? I think he's just the right amount of good. Not too good, not too bad, perfectly portioned bites of Kucinich goodness.

[MIMStigator]

84. His ears aren't nearly as big as they say.

I've seen him in person. What's not to like about DK?

[La_Serpiente]

2. Dennis Kucinich

you can always count on this guy when it comes to reliability. He is also the activist kind of Democrat that I admire.

Actually, he has been my candidate for about two weeks now. I first started out with Dean, then Kerry, then Kucinich. Kind of don't like his view on WTO and NAFTA, and would rather want them reformed, but I like everything else he says.

[Fovea]

3. This is a personal statement

Dennis is the only candidate whose platform corresponds closely with my personal views.

He has the crux of America's major problems in his stances on trade, energy, the M/I complex, and education pretty much solved with his plan for America.

While there are other worthy candidates, Dennis's approach is the best antidote to the economic and political poison of the cheap labor republicans.

[molly]

4. There is nothing sneaky or dishonest about Dennis

his participation in this election will have a lasting positive effect.

[blm]

5. I've known Dennis for over 30 years, and he is the reason I am a liberal

Democrat. He is as honest a man as they come. He is brave and truly fights for the everyday people. It's not just rhetoric with DK.

He was a populist mayor in a big business town and sacrificed his early career for the benefit of the people of Cleveland by fighting against the energy privatization that was being sought by others.

He leads on important issues to Democrats and people of peace.

[JanMichael]

6. His platform is one that most closely resembles my own.

And I like his rather raw enthusiasm too. Matter of fact I really wish he had broader support in those asinine polls...

[IndianaGreen]

105. I agree!

Dennis's views most closely resembles my own, particularly when it comes to the PATRIOT Act and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think that Dennis idea about a Department for Peace deserves serious consideration by whoever wins the Democratic nomination.

[THUNDER HANDS]

8. I wish all the canidates had the spirit of Dennis Kucinich

And...he has nice eyes too. :D

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. Spirit

and platform both!

[Forkboy]

9. Like all the candidates he has his flaws

but he's probably the closest to my outlook.He shows convictions (something some of the others do not),and a willingness to stand up for what's right.

He comes across as the most honest of the bunch to me,other than maybe Braun or Sharpton (note that the seemingly most honest ones are called "unelectable",a sad commentary on this country).

He's got my vote in the primaries.

[kentuck]

10. Dennis is the truest "liberal" in the race...

He would e the nominee to best stand up for poor and disenfranchised in this country. I'm hoping his message rubs off on all the other candidates.

[goodhue]

11. Michigan & Wisconsin today

Dennis is in Michigan and Wisconsin today. Is anyone going to see him? Any reports would be most excellent.

See schedule here . . .
http://www.kucinich.us/schedule.php

Ann Arbor appearance is over, Lansing ongoing, and East Lansing, Detroit and Milwaukee still coming up.

Boy does Dennis get around. Like the energizer bunny. And yet he stills exudes such energy. Amazing really. How does his staff keep up?

[diamondsoul]

38. "How does his staff keep up?"

Most of them drive themselves bonkers just trying! LOL

Fortunately Dennis has learned for himself that taking care of his body and his spirit lets him maintain a grueling schedule like that. I'm not sure the rest of us are smart enough to do that.

[goodhue]

95. Iowa tomorrow Friday 12/5

Dennis will be in Iowa on Friday.
In Dubuque, Decorah, Oelwein, Waverly, Cedar Falls, Waterloo, . . .
http://www.kucinich.us/schedule.php

drive to Decorah is only
5.5 hours from Chicago
3.3 hours from Madison
3.2 hours from Minneapolis
2.0 hours from Winona
1.8 hours from LaCrosse
1.8 hours from Austin
1.7 hours from Rochester

be there if you can

[Junkdrawer]

12. Support for Kucinich has already brought positive results....

Dennis has used his position of national prominence to stop Diebold from freezing all discussion of its leaked memos.

On this, and I'm sure further issues to come, there are real benefits from supporting and bringing to national prominence a candidate whose views align with the progressive left.

[Cleita]

13. He's not my top choice, but I very much like his

platform and background. I would have no problem voting for him if he should be the nominee. If not, I would hope that the nominee would consider him for Vice President.

[Iverson]

14. Kucinich is very respectable.

There are numerous positive articles about him in the commondreams.org archives. Here is a representative sample:

Published on Saturday, September 6, 2003 by the Madison Capital Times
Kucinich's Record Shows He's an Antidote to Bush
by Midge Miller


Too many Americans are in denial about the dangers inherent in Bush's plan to build a national missile defense boondoggle and develop new and usable nuclear weapons. Kucinich led 31 congressional colleagues in suing the president to prevent the abrogation of the ABM treaty.

Kucinich knows that it will be impossible to have the resources to provide health care, quality education, environmental protection and still meet the many needs of our country unless we reduce the military budget and rescind the tax cuts for the wealthy.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0906-03.htm

[Patriot_Spear]

15. I view Kucinich as the moral inheritor of Wellstone...

We as Democrats can only benefit from his participation in the nomination process by being exposed to his ideas.

[NicoleM]

16. This is an excellent idea.

I think Dennis Kucinich is as cute as bug's ear. He seems like a genuinely good person.

[NNN0LHI]

17. Kucinich's ideals are closer to mine then all of the Dem candidates

I wish to hell he would catch on with others.

Don

[sweetheart]

18. DK inspired me regarding abortion

I discovered that he had less healthy views on this subject in the past, and that he had open discussions with people... and changed his view to a healthy one.

To me, that shows more maturity and intelligence than simply beating down the electorate with policy. Dennis really does listen and adapt... which makes him a true democrat in my book.

As well, all the people i respect greatly in america, the most enlightened ones in my life... also support Dennis.

I don't know if i agree with him about withdrawling from the WTO, but i know that when he gets down to really coming up with policy, that his consultation will lead him to adapt his rather isolationist blanket statement with a more coherent policy.

Also, there is a really lovely story about dennis with "coins clicking on the kitchen table" that made me cry. A man with the balls to do what he did in (cincinatti?) is a very great man indeed.

Beyond that, he is a strategic visionary, and i know he will do what is right for the people of america and the people of the world. I trust him... and in a private way, love him.

God Bless you Dennis Kucinich. You are my democratic champion.

[Kanary]

30. That inspired me, also, sweetheart!

It struck me as the genuine struggling with conscience by a very human, human being. I remember struggling myself with much the same issue many years ago, so his coming to awareness seems quite genuine to me.

And, I think you're right... it points to his ability to listen to people, and think it through, and be willing to grow.

Thanks for your words...

Kanary

[sweetheart]

43. I'm voting for him in the New York primary

I forgot to say that. I'm now registered democrat at varick street, and even though i am expat in the UK, he's getting my vote.

I read his platform some time back, enough to know it is 100% what i would myself aspire to.... the whole thing has coherence and integrity... one way or another dennis kucinich will win america in the coming time... this is just the beginning.

This is really inspiring to see how much loved he is here...

thank you kanary,
-s

[Kanary]

47. I just hope

I have the energy to go to my caucus, and try to speak on his behalf, and rouse some support.

I don't know if I will be able, but I hope.

Yes, "aspiring".... he gives so much to try to live up to. I don't think I'm going to be able to live up to half of what he is, I'm just not as big a person. But, I'm grateful to have him to look up to for inspiration and aspiration... ^_^

Kanary

[no name no slogan]

49. Very nice post!

It was actually Cleveland where the "coins" story took place. He grew up in the same neighborhood that the movie "The Deer Hunter" was filmed in-- very gritty, rough-and-tumble, solid working class. He even lived with his family in a car at a couple points in his life.

And re: his trade positions: he's not really an isolationist-- he's all in favor of fair trade with our other trading partners. Unfortunately, most people assume that because he wants to terminate NAFTA and the WTO that he's an isolationist, but that's very far from the truth.

What Kucinich wants is a return to bilateral trade agreements, like we had pre-NAFTA and pre-WTO, where we as a country had leverage with our trading partners on such issues as living wages, workplace conditions, environmental protection, etc.

Right now, according to the WTO, we cannot tamper with NAFTA in any way. It would go against the WTO rules. So, in order to change NAFTA, we'd have to scrap it and renegotiate it. Also, the WTO has certain powers that place it above those of the sovereign governments of its members. It is an unelected body made up of representatives from big business and does not represent the will of the people.

We have the largest economy of anybody in the world. It's time that we used our leverage as the largest economy to demand that other countries pay their workers fairly, treat the environment with respect, and ensure safe conditions for their workers. We have the power to do this. The only question is "when". :D

[sweetheart]

56. managed fair trade... thanks

Ok, i get it... That is justice... Its the lovely thing about Dennis, is that i can not understand his policy and feel upset, and then discover that he was way ahead of me applying justice to trade.

What a relief to be able to trust... :-) Thank you for explaining his policy... i've just been on his website www.kucinich.us I really should read his full platform so i don't sound like such an ignorant.

Thank you,
-s

[no name no slogan]

61. glad to help

I too had the same concerns you did. "Cancel NAFTA and the WTO??? Is he NUTZ????". Unfortunately, in this sound-bite world we live in, it's easier to just go with what you hear on the news than with what's actually being said.

And there's nothing wrong with being ignorant about a candidate-- it's whether or not you choose to do something about it that matters!

As they say, ignorance is curable-- it's stupidity that's lethal (pls. see current prez)!

:hug:

[Zomby Woof]

19. I am voting Dennis in the AZ primary

DK meet-up tonight in Flagstaff!! :D

Kucinich's stands on peace, labor, and economic issues comes closest to representing me, and I think MANY Americans, across the spectrum of life.

In his several decades of public service, he has stood his ground when needed, and evolved as open-hearted people do.

I will eagerly cast my vote for him in February.

[quinnox]

20. What can I say about Kucinich

except that he is revolutionary. America isn't ready for such a vision, but I am glad he is out there spreading a message of hope.

Men like Kucinich are rare.

[Kanary]

28. We are soooo *very* ready!

[goodhue]

21. animation

Have you all watched the "how many must die?" animation ad. It's kinda intense but not to be missed. Imagine if something like this were run on tv as campaign ad. But I suppose the media would never let it on, as it would offend establishment sensibilities.

http://www.kucinich.us/dk.html

[goodhue]

80. who watched the animation?

any reactions?

[bpilgrim]

109. POWERFUL

i didn't know DK had this on his site :wow:

gotta LOVE DK :toast:

peace

[AnAmerican]

111. Powerful indeed

That animation sums up all that is wrong with the current "leadership".

Dennis has had my support since he first started campaigning and I can think of nothing more satisfying politically than casting my vote for him in the Ohio primary AND the general election next November.

IMHO, Dennis is the man with the platform that can beat * hands down.
(Now if only we deal with that nasty BBV crap)

[LWolf]

112. I watched it.

It is quite effective, isn't it?

Dennis isn't holding back.

[xJlM]

113. It makes me pretty angry

It kills me to see what's going on, and so many of my countrymen seem to accept bloodthirsty savagery as a modern principle of culture.

By the way, I sent that page to a few others who will be disgusted by it as much as I.

[cally]

22. DK has personal integrity

He supports legislation and policies that he thinks are correct. He does not cave to special interests and is willing to speak out on important issues. I respect and support most of his positions.

[Cheesehead]

23. Dennis is the most admirable politician I can think of

and that includes my senator Russ Feingold. Dennis has my vote any time he is on the ballot.

[Kanary]

24. The "Plink, plink" of those coins

I did quite a bit of reading about Dean, and went to a couple of meetups, and asked a question or two.

Then I started reading about Rep. Kucinich, and it didn't take long for me to have that "gut" feeling that this is a man who can really understand what so many people in this country live with. His story about remembering hearing the sound of the coins on the porcelin table as his parents counted out their meager money in order to pay bills was very dramatic, and shows that he has been there, and hasn't forgotten. There is sooo much to say, but reading of how he courageously dealt with the power issues in his state, and paid the price and came back is a modern day parable of integrity and courage. I don't know him, obviously, but it seems to me that this is a man who has chosen where his allegiance lies, and isn't going to be deterred from that position. His unwillingness to accept corporation money underscores that position.

On the personal level, I'm on disability, am unable to work, and have watched my ability to survive eroded year after year, until I think quite often about how my survival will end. There are so many of us in this position, and yet it is not an issue that is being raised. The deaths in Iraq are tragic, but so will be the deaths right here in this country. They just won't get the attention... it will be kept quiet.

When one is dealing with such a dire situation, it's not possible to just forget about it, and base a decision on other factors. One's survival takes presidence. The more I read, the more I wanted to read, and his position papers, and his philosophy all pointed to one thing.... this man, more than any other, has a commitment to take care of "The Least Of These". It's not a popular issue, and is mostly ignored, so I appreciate him for his unwavering support of those like me.

So, it's clear he can be my only choice. I'm not in the position to think about other issues until I can know that I will be alive next year to worry about them.

Kanary

[sandnsea]

25. To late primary voters

Dennis is about people. The planet is a place for people, for children and grandmas and neighborly picnics and teen-agers in love and joyous celebration. There is plenty of room and resources for everybody to share in that celebration if we all would work together instead of doggedly scrapping to get more than the next guy. Dennis gets that and I think envisions a world of community. Unbridled capitalism destroys that and actually, destroys God's plan if you believe in that. I support Dennis' dream and will probably vote for him in the primary because of that. My primary is a late state primary and won't matter in the overall scheme of things. I invite everyone in late primary states, who shares Dennis' dream but think he can't win, to vote for him anyway to send a message about the direction we should really be taking.

[tinanator]

115. how late?

I think things are different this year. The rules have changed, and the ones that have been broken in previous elections mandate an entirely new game. Get in there and fight for whats right. YOU can make a tremendous difference!

[JohnKleeb]

27. He can be so inspiring

Its the little things that he does, such as fighting for his local hospital as hes doing now. These things you wont hear about on the news which is a shame imo because its a great thing.

[jiacinto]

31. What I respect him for

For saving the utility company in Clevelnad.

[jpgray]

32. If everyone who liked him supported him....

Well, you get the idea. :)

Great on the issues, not so great when it comes to making an impact on the media--he just isn't their kind. All the more reason to like him, of course.

[JohnKleeb]

34. of course

Noticing a variety of respect for this guy, I think hes one of the most respected candiates here.

[Kanary]

48. and the other part of that equation is...

if those who liked him supported him, the media would *have* to recognize him... ^_^

and round and round it goes..........

Kanary

[ShaneGR]

33. In the spirit of saying nice things

Growing up in Cleveland I am familiar with the long Kucinich history. Despite some disagreements on hist past policy positions in the area, Kucinich's 'nothing to something' story really is inspiring to a lot of people in NE Ohio. Here's a guy who grew up in a somewhat negative atmosphere (the family sometimes slept in cars) and still had the where-with-all to succeed in some pretty rough circumstances. He's also not a quiter, having come back from the brink of destruction to mount a very successful run as a Congressional Representative, and eventually a run for President.

[spindoctor]

35. Love the DD idea, and it figures that John would be the first.

So let me be second, unless somebody types faster (like everybody East of the Missouri).

Kooch is the only acceptable candidate to me for a few simple reasons.

1. He is trustworthy. He does have a proven trackrecord of living up to his promises. He will give 110% (dumb expression but I'll use it anyway) for the people and succeed in his mission or "die" trying.
2. He does not bow to corporatism (to toss in a new word, now enough with the brackets already). Again, his political history is clear on this point.
3. He is right on all the issues. Agreed, some things are easier said than done but please refer to my first point on that.
4. He is an idealist. Although most people would rather see a pragmatist President, I prefer to see somebody who believes in what he does and who or what he does it for.

I consider arguments that he is not fit for President based on appearance and presentation ludicrous. Not only is that serious discrimination, it would actually exclude 95% of the population from presidential ambitions. If you don't believe me, take a look around you. Bush is all about presentation. The same people who complain about his continuous photo-ops are the ones that consider Kucinich unelectable based on appearance (i.e. he wouldn't look good at photo-ops). Come on people, we have a President without a brain. Why can't we have a President without looks instead?

Arguments that Kucinich is too radical are up for discussion as far as I'm concerned. But before you do, please take a moment to actually read his program. There is nothing radical about it. Its all about doing the right thing.

I realize that doing the right thing doesn't get you far in life and especially not in politics, but I'll be damned if I sell out my ideals for...for what? I want the best for myself, my family, my countrymen and the world. I shopped around and little Kooch sticks out head and shoulders above the rest.

I've been putting references to his 'unelectability' in all my posts on the subject for some time now, and to the people who didn't get the tongue-in-cheek nature of this, I'd like to say...get over it! ;)

If he is on the ballot, he is electable...simple as that. If he had the means and resources to get his message across, he might even get elected.

Finally, my contribution to the Kooch bumper sticker campaign:

Kucinich....if you know what's good for you.
Kucinich....the right thing.
What would Jesus do? He would ask Kucinich!
I'm a Hoochie Koochie man. Kucinich for President!

[spindoctor]

36. Hahaha...second...hahaha

Lots of people across the river.

LMAO

[JohnKleeb]

39. Yep I was first

I think Kucinich asks Jesus other than vice versa though.

[spindoctor]

42. Someday someone will appreciate my sense of humor :)

I won't hold my breath.

You do realize that I just had 50,000 of these babies printed, don't you?

[Kanary]

53. He is an idealist.

"Although most people would rather see a pragmatist President, I prefer to see somebody who
believes in what he does and who or what he does it for."

Ah, there ya go! Why, why.... that's LEADERSHIP!! Imagine that!

You have just described what Kennedy was alllll about. Oh, how far we've fallen, when we believe that idealism can't "work". It did before, and look what happened to our country... rejuvenation!

Imagine.

Hum along with me.

Imagine.

Kanary

[TahitiNut]

59. "pragmatics" speaks to walking the path ...

... while "ideals" speaks to the goals. Those who'd have merely pragmatic goals are tragic -- without the imagination of RFK and the fortitude of Paul Wellstone. Martin Luther King, Jr. was both an idealist and a pragmatist and we were fortuante to have him. We should treasure and support such people when we're fortunate enough to have them in service to our nation annd the world.

[spindoctor]

68. I meant it is a practical sense...

...not a philosophical one.

Maybe opportunist would have been a better choice of words. What is the anthonym to an idealist?

Anyway, Martin Luther King was most certainly an idealist in the philosophical sense. He was a visionary ("I had a dream" jumps to mind), a goal-seeker as you state it.

When I say that Kucinich is an idealist, I intend to say that he is a visionary. Somebody who has a clear idea of what the future should be like, but with enough common sense to perform a decent gap analyis and build a bridge to reach that ideal.

Let's not bring this down to semantics, but never the less, thanks for pointing out the ambiguity in my post.

[Kanary]

71. treasure...

Beautiful words, TahitiNut! Very poetically put...

Our idealists are so rare, and I'm afraid the toll on them is so tremendous, that treasuring indeed is what we need to be doing!

There's a wonderful monument in my city that has several pillars with quotes of MLK, and it's a terrrific place for meditation. I was thinking of presidents when I said JKF, but we would have been so impoverished without the leadership of Martin Luther King!

I do believe Dennis Kucinich as that facility for looking into the future and saying.... "Why not?" That could be our saving grace, if we accept it.

Kanary

[spindoctor]

72. I totally misread that, didn't I?

I thought Tahitinut was saying King was a pragmatist and we needed more pragmatism. lol

Sorry for the confusion, welcome to my world ;)

And you're right. It's the combination that makes for good leadership and they are both present in Kucinich.

What can I say? Too bad he's unelectable?

;)

[maddezmom]

37. Dennis has integrity

and he backs up what he says with action. I was really impressed when he posted the links about BBV on his congressional website. :)

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. He has done a good job attracting a very enthusiastic volunteer base

[AP]

41. I think Kucinich would be 100% formidable, in terms of having

the perfect message, if he tweaked one aspect of his message.

His domestic politics are almost perfect. However, his foreign policy verges on isolationism. There is way to discuss foreign policy in a liberal internationalis way that is more sensibel than isolation.

To reduce it to a singel sentence: with great power comes great responsibility.

It was be wrong for America to sit back and watch fascism rise around the globe because of an anti-interventionist sentiment.

The issue is way more nuanced then simply imperialism vs isolationism.

If Kucinich had a clearer argument negotiating this aspect of policy, he would have a 100% incredible over-all argument.

[diamondsoul]

52. Interesting observation, AP.

I have to say it's completely opposite of my interpretation of Kucinich's foreign policy, though!

I don't honestly think Kucinich comes anywhere near isolationism, but some of the things he espouses are linked to isolationism in people's minds. His trade positions are almost always described as isolationist but, if you consider more than just the short term, they aren't isolationist at all.

Seriously, how can it possibly be suggested that the guy who wants to use US trade policy to improve conditions for workers on a global scale be called "isolationist" or "non-interventionist"? I hope I'm making sense here and not coming across as rude. My brain seems to be on it's own path today what with the Kucinich Meetup tonight and several other events I'm trying to coordinate. :silly:

I agree with non-intervention for the most part, unless we're specifically asked for assistance. Not because I don't care, but because each country MUST be allowed to create its own Government structure. It's a delicate balance choosing which situations to get involved in and which to leave alone, but I genuinely believe Dennis Kucinich is the man with the wisdom and sense to make those decisions.

[AP]

63. I agree with you.

I don't think K is an isolationist. And I actually think he's couching his real views in terms he thinks his natural constituents will embrace.

But I think the better rhetoric is that, just like the government can ensure a better life for Americans at home, the government can take concrete actions for all citizens around the world to make lives better, and it's called 'liberal internationalism."

You know what I mean?

It's more in the way the policy is described, rhetorically, than it is in the actual policy.

I should say, however, that I don't think America should wait to be asked in every case. The US should have done something about Rwanda, and should have done something about Pol Pot, for example, whether asked or not.

It's the lesson from Spiderman. Just as Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility.

[goodhue]

60. international issues

The only foreign policy of DK's which might be arguably isolationist is his trade policy, but it is not because he supports bilateral trade conditioned on human rights, workers rights and environmental protections. In general DK wants the USA to rejoin the world community, and affirm and ratify treaties beginning with:
The Kyoto Treaty on Global Climate Change.
The Biodiversity Treaty.
The Forest Protection Treaty.
The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty.
The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.
The Landmine Ban Treaty.
The Biological Weapons Convention.
The Chemical Weapons Convention.
The International Criminal Court.

DK has many specific foreign policy proposals which are far from isolationist. Here are but two of them . . .

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/world_hunger.php

Foreign Aid
It is an outrage that President Bush is proposing to cut core funding for overseas humanitarian aid while millions worldwide face the threat of hunger. A Kucinich administration will fully fund efforts to eradicate hunger by dramatically increasing our allocation to the UN World Food Program, whose work saves countless lives in over 80 countries through school feeding projects, nutrition programs for HIV/AIDS sufferers, refugee food relief and many other vital tasks.

Drop the Debt
Poor countries facing widespread hunger are being ravaged by debt payments to global institutions like the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. $2.5 billion is transferred every year from Sub-Saharan Africa to foreign bankers and creditors, while 40% of its population experiences some form of malnutrition. A Kucinich administration will push for the immediate cancellation of all bilateral debts of countries facing hunger as well as cancellation of debts to the IMF and World Bank.

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/world_hunger.php

[AP]

65. Mostly I'm stalking about the use of the military.

I agree that Kucinich wants to cooperate with the world and engage the world (on an economic level, particularly).

however, rhetorically, his position on Iraq sometimes sounds too much like he thinks that we should pull out and have no concern over what we leave behind.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

89. What is isolationism?

Too often, it has been used to mean objection to unwarranted military or CIA intervention. Those of us who opposed Reagan's Central America policies of military aid to brutal dictatorships and attempts to overthrow a genuine popular revolution were derided as "isolationists."

Note that the neocons these days like to brand peace advocates as "isolationsists."

It seems to me that it is the militarists who practice true isolationism: intellectual isolationism. They believe that Uncle Sam always knows what's best for the rest of the world and has the right to enforce it with military might or covert operations. They do not listen to the objections of the world community or respect the fact that countries other than the U.S. have legitimate interests.

During my lifetime, the interventionists have done more harm than good. The overthrow of legitimate governments in Guatemala and Iran in 1954, urging the South Vietnamese to pull out of democratic elections in 1956, fighting the Vietnam War, overthrowing an elected government in Chile, invading Grenada, arming the Afghan rebels Central America, arming Saddam Hussein against Iran, arming the Saudis, trying to destabilize Venezuela, and now invading Iraq are just a few of the examples that immediately come to mind.

The cumulative result of these interventions is widespread anti-Americanism, something which barely existed until the Vietnam War.

With that kind of record, a retreat from intellectual isolationism is long dverdue.

Dennis represents the polar opposite of intellectual isolationism. It's time to put the armchair generals and aggressive spooks out to pasture until they're actually needed for defense of the country and open a new era of diplomacy and international cooperation.

By the way, Dennis does not propose "abandoning" Iraq. Again, our presence is doing more harm than good and at this point only serving as a focus for the frustrations of the Iraqi people. The sooner the U.S. troops get out of there, the sooner neutral parties can go in and start rebuilding the country.

[tinanator]

114. Not really the case

This is a (believe it or not) "politician" of incredible intelligence AND integrity. His belief in the righteousness of peace and the power of peaceful resolution is the one and only path to a secure future. If the USA can lead by this example, those organizations whose role is to elicit terror responses will have no way to recruit, no way to benefit, no recourse from real justice. Security is a predominant issue in these times, and one that the current maladministration is entirely responsible for the lack thereof. Justice is requisite for both peace and security, and only an honest leader can be counted on to provide that option. Despite the clamor of claims, his message IS attracting voters and newfound support from the ranks of the "favored" competition. I would give specific examples, but it simply would not be polite. Wait and see, wait and see :)

[sweetheart]

91. clearly internationalist

methinks the line that is bad marketing is "withdrawl from the WTO and NAFTA"... its simply bad marketing... perhaps "renegotiate international trade treaties to support human rights"

[slinkerwink]

44. Kucinich's done a great service in speaking out against Bush

It's so much fun watching him blast Bush on TV--who could ever imagine such denouncements coming from such a small figure like him? :-) That's why he rocks because he surprises you sometimes.

[JohnKleeb]

45. doesnt suprise me at all

and remember both of our guys are shrimps (your guy has a bigger figure but as far as height goes only a couple or even one inch so thats why I crack up when a Dean supporter says DK is too small, no offense), and I am taller than the both of them. Again it doesnt suprise me at all.

[Scott Lee]

46. Kucinich was one of the few in Congress who dared stand up

And defy Bush on his war. That is, to me, one of his greatest services to this nation. It takes a special breed of person to put their livelihood, or life, on the line for a principle. Dennis Kucinich did that.

It is a terrible pity that our Congress is not more like him, in general.

[RandomUser]

50. I like his positive message

I remember his statements about the statue of a woman guarding a child named "genius." Some people find it hokey, but I think it's positive messages like that are a good thing.

It reminds me of the old Capitol building before the renovations. Instead of c-span television cameras, they had two statues at either end of the chamber where they deliberated legislation. At the back was a statue of the muse of history, at the front was a clock representing father time. Instead of pandering to the cameras, they deliberated each piece of legislation under the watchful eyes of that statue, fully cognizant that their burdern to history and the importance of what they were doing. The legislators considered themselves accountable to critical gaze of historians, rather than to that night's evening news cameras.

So when Kucinich spoke of the statue of a woman guarding the child named "genius," others might have found it hokey, but I found it a positive message reminiscent of the old Capitol building before the renovation and the pandering to the media cameras.

[diamondsoul]

54. That is a description of a statue

in the entry of the Congressional building even now. It's titled "Peace Protecting Genius".

Interesting thing- it seems to me the people who most embody the best qualities of humanity are the ones who pay attention to details like statues on a regular basis.

[Kanary]

55. Oh, the statue!

Thanks for reminding me of that! Yes, the poetry that is Dennis Kucinich.

It's sad that the cynicism has gone so far that this image is "hokey". That says a lot about us, not about Rep. Kucinich.

Thanks for thinking of that!

Kanary

[RichM]

51. I support DK enthusiastically. He has the most evolved outlook, & is the

only Democrat in the race that I could support. He has some deficiencies in style & showmanship, but this is relatively unimportant to me, compared to the rightness of his positions, his vision & philosophical depth.

I agree with those who say that Dennis is in a sense "too good." He's too good for the American people, who, in their terminal ignorance, vote for pigs like Bush & Schwarzenegger, even though their policies are directly injurious to the self-interest of most of the voters. He's also too good for the many Democrats who acknowledge that his politics are just what they personally believe in, but who nonetheless lack the guts to fight for him because they accept the defeatist notion that he's "unelectable."

If the Democratic Party was capable of offering a candidate like this to the public, & backing him with its full complement of muscle & machinery, it would once again be something to be proud of, & would constitute an appeal to the best, most idealistic tendencies lying dormant in a cynical citizenry. Until that day, the citizenry has every right to remain bitterly cynical.

[Kanary]

57. I would be sooo proud to be represented by Dennis Kucinich

as he talks with world leaders!

Wouldn't that be awe-inspiring!

Kanary

[buddhamama]

58. i've never doubted Dennis' sincerity

and his committment to "The People".

[Name removed]

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[Terwilliger]

67. n/m

thanks

[Skinner]

69. You can re-post

That should not have been removed. I'll send you the text by private message so you can post it again.

[PissedOffPollyana]

64. America desperately needs a man like Dennis

When idealism is bandied about like an albatross about the neck, it is the best proof that we need a leader like Dennis Kucinich more than ever! He is the best hope we have as a nation to revive what we have lost, the power that resides in each of us as a voice for progress.

In looking at the last few decades of history, there has been a pattern of alternating defeatism and antagonism in policy and society. More than ever, we need to focus on the building rather than the tearing down; this is what Dennis Kucinich's candidacy is all about. Every policy and point focuses on positive improvement and rational use of our resources and influence to better ourselves and the world we are a part of. I wonder sometimes (and sadly at that) when those ideals became passé and we became too outwardly cynical as a people to accept the validity of policy built upon peaceful diplomacy, fair trade and the dignity of even the least fortunate among us. Mind you, I truly believe with all my heart that the great majority of us (right and left) embrace these principles and for whatever reason are afraid to show that "weakness" to others. We are, in our hearts, a compassionate people within a cynical society.

Every era of great progress was greeted with its nay-sayers, the same as every revolutionary idea has its traditionalist detractors. We have a remarkable opportunity to do something that virtually no other generation in our history has done, to create a strong and thriving economy and society built on the core principle that power can be used to elevate rather than oppress.

The question will be whether we will vote with our conscience or with our fears...
I know what I'm hoping for!
~Mich

[dfgrbac]

75. The "fears" are falsely created.

We Americans need to recognize that the "fears" many of us have, have been created by the corporate media that controls what we see and hear. You all saw how they waved the banner of war, both for Afghanistan and Iraq. It was non-stop echoing what the white House was telling us.

With Dennis Kucinich in the White House, we would see a long needed change in direction away from the military-industrial-corporate empire we have become to being a nation that is a cooperative world citizen working for peace through the United Nations. This is what we are supposed to be doing according to our Constitution and the law of the land (our land) which the United Nations Treaty is a part of since we signed it.

Our reversal away from using our superior military force to generate profits for our corporations, and beginning to use it to defend peace and human rights will quickly dry up terrorism against us.

Drain The Swamp And There Will Be No More Mosquitoes.

[lostnfound]

66. His sense of justice knows no boundaries; & he resists the slippery slopes

I believe that a desire for justice motivates him, and he applies it equally to his fellow Americans as to those born in other countries. I believe he sees all men as his brothers.

Justice, with brotherly love as its heartbeat, is the body that captures all of suffering humanity into a common-yet-noble, uplifting and soothing embrace.

Allow yourself to feel the pain of even a dozen diverse victims of injustice..as you step across borders of nations, races, economic classes and political ideologies, open your heart to the mourners, the hungerers, the fearful ones, the beaten ones, the ones whose children do not have a safe clean place to feel cherished.

My son and his future, AND his playmate's futures, will be safe in Dennis' hands -- he will work towards a clean environment, good health care, good education; but also the children in Latin America and the Mideast -- their lives will be safe in Dennis' hands too. He would not waste any of their lives on oil-grabbing, power-grabbing wars nor on anti-leftist paranoid vendettas that value capital above ALL else.

The slippery slope means that in spite of intense pressures to modify his positions to be more 'centrist'/Republican, or to take corporate bribes, he has not forgotten his roots nor his ethics. I'm not sure how many other politicians can say that -- very, very few. We need a candidate who can push back the floodwaters of corporatism that have swallowed our democracy whole. Dennis knows that corporations have too much power and would actually work for the people, to do something about restoring our democracy.

[CMT]

70. DK is a candidate of great personal intergrity

and contrary to what some have said I think he is electable. He has proven this in his races for congress in a socially conservative district with many Reagan Democrats. DK has added a good deal to the debate in a postive way.

[JNelson6563]

73. Kucinich will achieve greatness somehow

I can see it in him.

And an FYI for you Kucinich-ies, I have tracked down the nearest DK organizer and she will be addressing our local Dem board next week. She (and/or whoever she wants) will be invited to our local rally event in January, where all camps are welcome to promote their candidates.

In my area only three candidates are represented by a group of supporters and DK is one of them.

Keep on speaking truth to power Congressman!! :loveya:

Julie

[AmericanDem]

74. DK is a likeable guy

I like the way he stands up for what he believes in. He is a very genuine guy.

[Logansquare]

76. He is honest, brave, and he's from Ohio

The first two character traits speaks for themselves, and the third...I'm from Ohio, so I tend to like people from Ohio :-)
Really, the guy doesn't have a bribable bone in his body, and he's taken some unpopular stands without flinching.

[Terwilliger]

77. Kucinich is so hated by the party mainstream he'll never get nominated

I find that very positive. Kucinich is the outsider who has a liberal set of values and tries to stick to them. The Democratic party would lynch him if they could, and will ignore him otherwise.

Nothing but positives for Dennis.

[dfgrbac]

78. What would the Party do if Dennis achieved large Primary victories?

If we, the people, voted for Dennis Kucinich, the Party would have a very difficult time indeed ignoring him!

[Terwilliger]

81. Only way to make that happen...

is to totally bypass the normal electoral machines pervasive in the primary campaign. What that constitutes is a complete grassroots effort.

[_NorCal_D_]

79. Kucinich has a backbone of steel.

He certainly doesn’t back down in an argument. B-)

[redqueen]

82. Dennis Kucinich

He wasn't my first choice, but that was due to lack of awareness. Since then, every single thing I've learned about this candidate has only served to strengthen my support for him. It's hard to imagine saying that about any politician.

Being able to support a Democrat with this much enthusiasm, in my case, is only possible due to his exemplary record and policy platform. It's always a pleasure to talk about him with others. I only regret that I don't have more time to spend out knocking on doors, and passing out flyers.

To me, Kucinich represents the best that America can be, and all his goals are attainable, and worthy. He inspires hope, confidence, and optimisim, and that's priceless in these troubled times.

I'll spend every single day and night between now and next summer with a prayer in my heart -- that all those who think his agenda and platform are the best will take the step to cast a ballot in the primary elections for him, or to take the initiative to become a delegate in order to caucus for him.

God willing, we'll not only elect the best hope for the future of America, but also show the rest of the world that we're ready to lead the way toward a better future globally, and not just a better future for America and her willing partners.

[Marines for Clark]

83. Dennis is a good guy

Dennis has a big heart and doesn't pander to anybody

[VolcanoJen]

85. He's a Buckeye, don't ya know!!

And that's the nicest compliment I could ever pay to anyone.

:D

Your home state LOVES YOU, Dennis... and if things don't work out for you in your quest for the presidency, then please serve Ohio as our next Democratic Senator!! Run, Dennis, Run!!!

[AWD]

86. My personal experiences with his campaign....

...have ALL been wonderful.

I went to his announcement and managed to get within 2 feet of the man. Leaving that day, I thought to myself "he said everything I want a President to say. How can I NOT support him?" and I decided to be a supporter of two candidates (with plenty of space for more provided they influence my opinion in such a positive manner).

I have friends who work in his HQ in Lakewood, and was fortunate enough to be invited to Thanksgiving dinner at the Kucinich Intern House. We had an amazing dinner and even better conversation. Earlier that day, I had eaten with my family (mom/dad/brother/etc...wife and daughter out of town), and I felt MORE at home with Dennis' people than I did my own family!

His campaign has given me more ideas and more creatives processes than anybody else, and I hope that we are able to work together as much as possible (hint - we may have a joint-appearance coming soon...cross them thar fingers!)

[curse10]

87. Although DK is not my first choice, I think he's a great candidate

and his supporters are some of the best around. :-)

[sistersofmercy]

88. Dennis is an amazing man from his humble beginning to the present as

an advocate for the people and with the people, no one speaks more truthfully about liberal ideals than him. I consider him a great man and a national asset of the people, an all American as it was meant to be.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

90. He has vision, integrity, and wide-ranging intelligence,

and he has managed to achieve a lot without losing "the common touch."

He is the first presidential candidate who has made me feel that I can vote for a vision of a better country instead of just against the Republicanites' ruinous policies.

[DemExpat]

92. In that on-line test here a short while back Dennis matched my

ideals almost 97%!!!

That was a big surprise, because Clark is my candidate of preference.....
I must say that outside the US Kuchinich is an unknown - I have seen almost nothing about him in the media here....

Dennis is my ideal President, I guess.....:kick:

DemEx

[Le Taz Hot]

93. My moment with Dennis Kucinich

was this last summer at the CDC (California Democratic Council) Convention held in my hometown. I, along with several others, were working the Dean booth right outside of the room where he was about to speak. As he walked to the room, he stopped at our table, shook my hand and said, "Good luck." I responded, "Good luck to you as well, Congressman." Though I disagree with him on some key issues I thought that was a classy thing to do AND I respect him for taking his job seriously and not missing any votes in the House.

On edit: THANK YOU, SKINNER for doing this! Excellent idea!

[G_j]

94. kick!

[Mattforclark]

96. DK has some good ideas

about increasing international aid!

And many other things.

[Crewleader]

97. I think Dennis is wonderful!

He's a true patriot among the Democrats who voted for Iraq,and he did not along with Sen. Graham. He has spoke up for peace from the start and my god you have to admire him for all the good that he is!
He speaks from his heart and really cares what happens to working families and sees the struggle they are in.Love his idea getting rid of NAFTA and having others responsible of working conditions and higher wages for fair trade with fair conditions for all people
Dennis Kucinich definitely will have my vote if he wins the nomination!

[goodhue]

98. Check out Culture Corner

http://www.kucinich.us/culturecorner.htm

[Dragonfly]

99. My support for Dennis remains strong

as we head into the stretch run for primary season. While there are a quartet of issues important enough to me to need more detailed info from him and just basic disagreement on a few vital matters, his overall domestic and foreign policy strategies are very similar to my own.

I've been looking closely at the Dept. of Peace legislation as a concrete, ready-to-implement tool to comprehensively transform our ailing culture for 3 years. Dennis' plan to transfer guidance of Iraq
from U.S./Brit to U.N. hands is top-notch. His stellar recognition of what is happening to middle-class on down comes from gritty formative years viewing life through the realistic prism of the have-not realm. Cong. Kucinich's honest and visionary perspective concerning decriminalization of marijuana is being heard by all sorts of thinking/caring Americans, who see a nightmare being perpetrated on us by this administration which is devoid of common sense, compassion and elemental "liberty of consciousness."

However the cookies crumble between now and 11/'04, Dennis Kucinich will continue to coalesce grand alliances, as sincere citizens rapidly catch on/join in to the enormous political/spiritual/cultural sea change represented by the Ohio congressman's bold candidacy.

The trajectory of this big-picture/long-term candidate's slow and steady ascent could get surprisingly exciting when the opening curtain goes up early next year.

[Droopy]

100. DK has got my primary vote here in Ohio

I looked at his platform and that sealed it for me. I don't see how he doesn't get more support.

[KittyWampus]

101. Dennis Is A True Advocate For The Common Man

and I love his smile!

[LWolf]

102. Courage. Integrity. Compassion.

He is a champion. What else can I say? Dennis is the first politician in my lifetime I've ever felt good about supporting. He is the antithesis of the fear and doubt that is gripping our nation.

He has my vote and all the support I can offer.

[mvd]

103. He's my favorite candidate

I am closest to him on health care, death penalty, foreign relations, education, and more. He's very serious about the issues, and I like that. I'm encouraged that he was elected in Ohio, and he's helping to keep the left wing of the party alive. Far left without going into Communism is much better than far right IMO. Bigger government in places shown to help will improve things from poverty to crime. So even though I'm not expecting him to win the nomination, go Dennis!

[Tinoire]

104. Let me count the ways! Ok- just the latest then... DIEBOLD

BUZZFLASH: Do you think that they feared what would come out in the discovery process would only worsen the credibility of their electronic voting machines?

HARRIS: I think that they feared a congressional investigation. In my opinion, the lawsuit could have gone either way, but what made this unwinnable was Congressman and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich placing the memos on his web site and then publicly calling for Diebold to step down on its DMCA claims. There were other pressures from congress that I cannot release the details on. The U.S. Congress will, I believe, have a historic impact on this issue. By the way, if you are an assistant to a congressperson and you are reading this, e-mail me at [e-mail] . And that includes Republicans.

(clip)

BUZZFLASH: Do you think that the Democratic Party Leadership has yet realized the extreme danger in proceeding with a national election where many voters will cast their ballots on electronic voting machines made by companies owned by Republicans?

HARRIS: Some have. Dennis Kucinich certainly has. The other presidential candidates need to get on board, not by making statements, but by taking effective action. I encourage their campaign staff to contact me; I can help provide some private resources for effective action.

(clip)

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03323.html

[Zomby Woof]

106. ZombyKick

:kick:

[minkyboodle]

107. Dennis is my guy

I support him and am inspired by his determination and idealism in the face of so much negativity. I think that Kucinich's campaign speaks wonders of how much the media can harm our elections with pessimism, negativy, or a complete lack of coverage.
Go Dennis Go
Scott

[Myra]

108. Vote fraud can make it moot who we vote for. DK's fighting for our votes.

I frankly think Congressman Kucinich is the best candidate.

Just look at his stance on the issues:
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/

But first let's look at the single most important issue - electronic
voting fraud.
As far as I know, Mr. Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate that is
fiercely fighting the good fight against the Pug's vote fabrication machines:
http://www.kucinich.us/pressreleases/pr_112803.php
http://www.house.gov/kucinich/issues/voting.htm
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/031121judcmtediebold.html

Thank god he's here to speak the truth during the primaries, but what if he
doesn't make it through the primaries? After all, he's not the deep pocket candidate and
we know what that means in U.S. presidential campaigns. If you can't buy the White
House you can't live there.

If we don't eliminate the cancer that is electronic vote fraud, it won't matter
who we vote for. We might as well write our votes on toilet paper and flush them.

So, why is Mr. Kucinich the only candidate who seems to realize that?

Myra

[lostnfound]

110. Well said, Myra! n/t