Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Infighting: The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:43 PM
Original message
Infighting: The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
As someone who is not a Democrat, and has no candidate in 2004, let me say this:

Give me a break!



You people need to give it a rest! You act as if this is the first time, in the over 200-year history of the Democratic Party, that there has been division over presidential candidates, or division of this magnitude. This is not the first time there has been infighting over a candidate, and it won't be the last.

Also, I'll let you all in on a little secret:

Every political party has its own circular firing squad.



The political party I belong to, the Socialist Party, has its own wonderfully miniscule version of the circular firing squad. Do you know what the difference is between our circular firing squad and yours? Our guns are collectively owned. That's it.

When it comes to dripping vitriol, personalistic backbiting and angular factional posturing, ALL POLITICAL PARTIES ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

You need to really think about and understand this. I mean it. And, while you're thinking about this, let me add one more little secret I know:

On Election Day, just about every single one of you will dutifully march into that voting booth and vote Democratic -- without exception, without fail.



Why? Because you are Democrats. That's what you do: vote Democratic. Otherwise, you wouldn't be Democrats; you'd be independents or Republicans ... and you wouldn't be here.

(Also, let's keep some perspective here. DU, at best, represents 0.025 percent of the electorate. I don't think the rantings of a few people, who in all likelihood will march into the voting booth in November and vote exactly the same as you, can be seen as a major crisis.)

So, as you're perusing all the mean, evil, nasty and downright ugly candidate-bashing threads, just remember these few words of advice offered by an outsider.

Deep breath.... Inhale.... Exhale.... ... Inhale.... Exhale....

Martin

This public service announcement brought to you by Independents and Youth against Inane Yammering on the Internet! -- I-YI-YI!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:50 PM
Response to Original message
1. There's also the perception...
...foisted on us by the corporate media and the Bush WH (intentionally or not), that this election, due to 2000, is different than any other. It's "post-S11", it's "post-2000 coup"...I don't really buy that theory, but i do think this is a dangerous time...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
2. I agree
I don't see what the big deal about infighting is. If the canidates can't take it from us, then they have no business running against the Republicans.

We must ask each other tough questions: Is Clark a consistant? Is Dean to off-the-wall? Is Kucinich electable? Is Lieberman a Democrat?

They may be painful questions, but they must be answered. People who back a person without asking tough questions are called "Republicans."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
3. Thanks, Martin. I don't know where people get the idea that

we must not criticize our candidates. That is, as brainshrub said, how Republicans operate. They all just fell in behind an arrogant little rich boy in 2000, few questions asked at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I seem to recall something quite different in 2000...
Dubya and his crew did quite a hatchet job on John McCain in the primaries -- and there were several Republicans in Congress who supported McCain's bid. I also seem to remember that it was about all McCain could do to stand on the same stage as * when he "endorsed" him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I was going to say the same thing
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 04:17 PM by MSchreader
The McCain-Bush race in 2000 was ugly.

However, remember the 1988 and 1996 GOP races? Yikes! Compared to those, the Dem 2004 infighting looks like a tea party!

Martin
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. true.
i'm sure remember this IC, Fratboy attempting to keep McCain off the ballot in NY.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
7. Not only that..........
but it's pretty easy to pick out those types of posts right away. Just don't read them!! Simple as that. Go on to the ones that suit you better. Problem solved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
8. It's not that infighting shouldn't happen
It's that in its current form it is a terrible waste of energy--there are congresspeople to be called, letters to be written, etc.

Instead we have people doing intensive research on other candidates to bash them--I would rather that energy go somewhere else, personally. The bashing is not shocking, but I would rather DUers spend their time more productively.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
9. locking
this is clearly inflamatory. Please review the rules for posting a new thread in GD before posting a new thread in GD.

Thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov 03rd 2024, 07:32 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC