You guys just don't get it, do you? (Dean/Clark)

[monkeyboy]

Dean and Clark are buddies. They never put each other down. They always have good things to say about each other. The time for choosing a V.P. running mate is waaaaaaayyyy in the future. Think now...think...

[Screaming Lord Byron]

1. I totally agree. I think D & C have a cunning plan.

[mikehiggins]

2. As for me

I'm a cunning linguist.

Is that the same thing?

[pistoff democrat]

7. Did you just write something dirty?

n/t

[HFishbine]

10. I'm not sure

Can you give me an oral history?

[pistoff democrat]

16. heh heh heh

(in my best Beavis & Butthead voice)

[Padraig18]

3. LOL!

I suspect this might get locked because of the wording of the subject line, but... If they have a 'plan' that envisions both of them on our ticket in '04, I'm not the least upset about it. IMHO, those two are the strongest ticket our party could put forth.

:hi:

[monkeyboy]

5. Huh?

"I suspect this might get locked because of the wording of the subject line"

Ex squeeze me? What's wrong with my wording NOW?

[Padraig18]

8. This:

"You guys just don't get it, do you?". It could be considered argumentative/inflammatory, IMO. Borderline... :shrug:

[monkeyboy]

15. Not my intention to be inflamingtory

Just trying to start a discussion

[Padraig18]

18. I don't doubt your motives.

I'm just pointing out a reason it could get locked, while you still have time to edit the subject line.

:hi:

[BOSSHOG]

17. Clark-Dean

Very attractive ticket (so stated by one who hasn't made his mind up and lives in a state with an irrelevant primary). Let us make Senator Kerry Secretary of Defense; Senator Edwards, Attorney General? Wishful thinking, but I'll vote for Daffy Duck if bush is the opponent. I didn't spend 24 years in the Navy to have our Constitution destroyed by a human being totally devoid of any compassion for any other life forms.

God Bless America !!!!

[mitchtv]

4. think? oh come on

it's so easy to write GOP talking points for them, and spew them all over.You end up believing both sides and voting for Kerry HAHAHA

[Closer]

6. Actually, you're wrong

They have taken jabs at each other.

Dean has called Clark out on flip-flopping on his Iraq War stance, and has questioned his Republican background.

Clark just last week criticized Dean on a radio talk show saying that while he (Clark) was recovering from wounds in Vietnam, Dean was "out skiing."


I know a lot of you want this to be the ticket, but don't bank on it. It ain't happening.

[monkeyboy]

9. Hmmm, I wasn't aware of that

These must be recent developments. Perhaps I stand corrected, no?

[slinkerwink]

11. and wasn't that on the day that dean was receiving his brother's remains?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

14. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I can't see Wes stooping to that.

[Bread and Circus]

19. The quote is being taken out of context and blown out of proportion...

yes, Clark fired a little zinger at Dean (IMO)....
but if (accd to Dean supporters) Dean's skiing isn't a problem,
then it's not a problem,
and it's not a problem that Clark mentioned it...

Either it's a problem or its not. Dean supporters can't have
it both ways....

They can't say "it's not a problem" but "please don't mention
it because if you do, then that's unfair bashing".

If Clark called Dean a draft-dodger, that would be an abridgement
of good taste (which is what Dean did when he called him
a "Republican").

I still think points for fairness are in Clark's favor but by and
large Dean has been ok to Clark as of late.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. How is it bad taste to refer to Clark as a Republican if that's true?

Voted for Nixon, voted for Reagan, and called Bush & the PNAC'ers "a great team" who "we need" in Washington DC.

If he's changed his mind since then, great. And I sincerely hope he has - my support of a Dean/Clark ticket has been on the record for months - But it's not any lie or distortion to say Clark was a Republican.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

24. That depends on what your definition of was is.

oh never mind.

[Jerseycoa]

26. It is a distortion

If you say voting for Nixon or Reagan makes him a Republican, you have to say voting for Clinton and Gore makes him a Democrat. The truth is he was an unregistered independent until he registered as a Democrat. That's all.

[Closer]

23. Yes

Clark made these comments the same day Dean was in Hawaii receiving his brother's remains.

[pistoff democrat]

12. I'm quite certain you are correct, Closer.

IMO, it will either be Dean or Clark. Also, IMO, neither man would choose the other to run for his VP.

[HFishbine]

13. I wouldn't rule it out

But there are certainly a lot of VP possiblitites out there.

[trogdor]

21. Like Edwards, f'rinstance.

He ain't ready now, but in eight years, he will be.

[GOPBasher]

22. I agree.

It looks like a total anti-war ticket is in the near future.

[Rowdyboy]

25. For the record, a reporter asked Clark is would compete

with Dean in a skiing contest. Yes, Clark's remark was not his finest moment, but:

a) He let himself fall into a reporters setup. He's not the first, nor will he be the last.

b) It was hardly in the category of Deans previous comments on Clark.

[RandomUser]

27. Unlikely

The only possibility of them both being on the ticket would be if it came to a brokered convention and they needed it to bring party unity quickly in time for the General election.

Otherwise, whichever of them gets the nod will need a Washington insider who knows how to work the votes in congress. Dean will probably look for a Senator or Congress critter who has strong foreign policy or national security credentials. Clark will look for one who has strong domestic policy credentials.

Also, they'll obviously look for one that will bring a swing state along. Traditionally, people don't vote for the VP. Only the people in a VP's home state vote the the ticket because of the VP. Having a bad VP can hurt the ticket. But it's questionable whether having a good VP will help the ticket, since people won't be voting for the VP.

The VP serves two purposes -- bring a swing (home) state and fill any percieved liabilities the Pres might have. The VP won't bring any states other than the home state. People won't vote for the VP.

So unless it's a brokered convention, Clark and Dean won't both be on the ticket. That's my take anyway, although I may be entirely wrong.