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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:08 PM
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I must say, Kerry is my new number one
Kerry, in an upcoming Rolling Stones magazine interview, tells it like it is about the IWR. His answer is enough to convince me, Kerry should be at the top of my list.

Clark has fallen back to number two with the other seven candidates, at least on my list.

I guess telling it like it is where Bush is concerned is what fires me up about a candidate.

Go Kerry!
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:09 PM
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1. People can change
;-)
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:37 PM
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12. I'm for Clark
And I'm not going anywhere. But I thought Kerry's speech was the best of all. Clark is always good, but he was not on his best game today. Kucinich is speaking now and he's always great in doing his thing. Howard Dean, to me, and I know not to his supporters, is like some kind of screaming maniac preacher. Kerry was best today.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:13 PM
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2. Impressive speech
I just watched for sure.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:15 PM
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3. Mine too!
:kick:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:19 PM
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4. Kerry needs a chance to get center stage against Bush/Cheney.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:37 PM
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5. Always glad to hear there's another supporter for Kerry!
:-)

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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:42 PM
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6. Kerry
That was funny when he said the F word. I think all of the democrates are angy at Bush.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:48 PM
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7. I was certainly impressed.
That was quite brave of him! B-)
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:50 PM
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8. Kerry is the complete package, the wisdom, range of knowledge and
leadership that Kerry displays exceeds the best of the other combined candidates.

Issue after issue Kerry shows he has the knowledge, experties and solutions.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:19 PM
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9. Encyclopedic knowledge AND progressive solutions
to hit the ground running in 2005. This earth doesn't have time left to "study the science" as some candidates say. We need someone who KNOWS the science AND the solution TODAY!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:28 PM
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10. Walt, didn't you have a real problem with Kerry last year?
If I remember, we crossed keystrokes over Kerry.....anyway, glad to see it. I agree full heartedly!

I just wish he was getting the media mindshare he deserves. I really think the RNC/Corporate Media is actively engaged in a media lockdown on his candidacy because Kerry scares the shit out of them.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:45 PM
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16. Yep
And he's even been my number nine in the past week or so.

Things change. This could change too, but for now, Kerry is my number one choice.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:49 PM
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17. The "get over it" statement
...was the end, as I recall, for good and all and ever. Which at the time I thought was regrettably categorical. In any case, I'm delighted to see that some people on DU are wise enough to change their views.

I'd like to see Kerry's candidacy pick up some steam. I don't know if the media are locking Kerry out, but they do seem to be increasingly treating Dean as the Designated Winner before a single vote has been cast. And I don't think that's entirely coincidental--there's plenty of evidence that Dean is the one Rove most wants to run against. Already gearing up for it, in fact. Whether he is vastly misunderestimating what Dean can do as a candidate is an open question, obviously, but I do think it's the race the GOP strategists most want to run.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:22 PM
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36. Again, "get over it" does not mean "forget about it"
When Kerry said that I heard it more as a call to get up, lick your wounds, and move on to the next battle. The "getting over it" is more about the emotional trauma than the intellectual aspect. This coming from a military guy means 'chin up' and move ahead- but DON'T FORGET.
I mean this is John Kerry we're talking about- not just some Freeper.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:32 PM
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11. Great news!
I am hoping people still can come back around to JK. Time is short, but I have never seen a person better prepared or wired to be president. No offense to the others.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:39 PM
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13. Kerry is awesome
The more you know about him, the more he impresses. I just read yesterday that he's attended almost every international environmental conference, on his own, even when the U.S. sent nobody. He really cares.

He's worked on everything. Normalizing relations with Vietnam, what an undertaking. Global AIDS. SCHIP. Small business programs. Women's Domestic Violence. Gay civil rights. Arms control legislation. Money laundering. Early childhood education. College education. He has knowledge and experience in absolutely everything.

And he and Teresa would be the most inspiring couple in the White House in years. They're international, diplomatic, and totally down to earth all at the same time.

Welcome and if you want more articles about the real guy who is the real deal, PM me. I've got tons!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:41 PM
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14. I like Kerry
but trends for him have been going down lately. Maybe he can turn it around. I'll stay with Clark until the nominee has been determined if not him or there is something unforeseen.
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Marines for Clark Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:52 PM
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18. Kerry is my number 2
Kerry is a good man!!!! I just don't know why is having a hard problem in N.H with Dean . If he doesn't do well in N.H then where does he go from there. I wish Kerry the best he deserves it because he is a great man and warrior like Clark.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:42 PM
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15. Kerry looked very presidential...
He's looking stronger.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:52 PM
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19. Kerry Shone Today!
He's not my pick but I'd still be proud to call him President.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:43 PM
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20. I loved the "Bring it on!" line in today's speech
He and Clark can play the Chickenhawk card (and I think he was by naming Cheney and Delay in his speech). With Dean we have to give that one up. I know he (Dean) followed the law, but most 'murkins won't cut him slack on that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:31 PM
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25. Yes. Better to attack Bush on that record then be stuck defending
the perception of a draft dodging Dem for a general election.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:52 PM
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21. I must say you are consistent Walt
You change candidates like I change underwear. Don't quit doing it though. I find it entertaing as hell. :-)

Don

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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:55 PM
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23. I wish I had seen
Kerry speak today. I just caught the end of Clark and I caught all of Dean's. I missed Kerry. I can't wait for Tuesday night. :)
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:54 PM
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22. Kerry obviously wasn't paying attention
"Did I expect George Bush to f - - - it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did," Kerry told the youth-oriented magazine.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:39 PM
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26. Kerry is out of touch
if he really doesn't think anyone expected Bush to fuck it up.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:07 PM
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29. According To Eric Alterman
He never expected a unilateral war given the way Powell, Scowcroft, Eagleberger and others were speaking at the time. He defends his willingness to trust the president of the United States, but now realizes that this was a big mistake. At one point, after answering somebody else’s question, he turned back to me and pointedly—one might even say “passionately”—insisted, “And Eric, if you truly believe that if I had been president, we would be at war in Iraq right now, then you shouldn’t vote for me.”

It worked for me.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp
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Kerry didn't trust Bush. He trusted the guys who had been there before, major conservative players that were arguing against unilateralism. At the time, even I had respect for Colin Powell. It really is too bad he squandered all credibility over the last year.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:00 PM
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33. Yes, Scowcroft and Eagleburger were all speaking out against the
possibility of the Iraq War. Kerry's mistake was that he thought Bush would listen to their advice. Gee, wasn't Bush Sr. rather negative on going to war?
Of course, we now know that Bush only listens to Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld and that Bush doesn't read the papers...he only gets pre-digested crapola from Rice and Cheney.

I don't think Kerry at the time could have know the utter level of shallowness he was dealing with. A lot of this stuff has only recently come out. Powell was the real knife in the back. He sold out and let his reputation go down the tubes. Shame on Powell. At the time, he was still being considered as the "balance" in the Administration.

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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:13 AM
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44. Speaking of out of touch...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:58 PM
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24. Walt, do us a favor
Figure it the hell out for at least a week or two before you make any more announcements. I'm getting whiplash.

:evilgrin:

Eloriel
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:41 PM
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27. At least I'm being positive about the candidates.
At this rate, Lieberman should be my number 1 within a week!

:evilgrin:
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:03 PM
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28. Walt Reflects America

I actually like the fact that Walt changes his view - and believe alot of Americans are right where he is - listening and believing in one candidate or another.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:09 PM
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30. this is a pretty dumb thing to change preferences over
Kerry cursing in Rolling Stone = a reason to support Kerry

:crazy:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:10 PM
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31. Noooooo....
Kerry stating emphatically that Bush is fucking up in Iraq most certainly is!
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:02 PM
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34. I'm happy for your enthusiasm
You're way of thinking is completely alien to me, however.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:52 PM
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32. Long ago, Kerry was my first choice....something went awry along
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 09:55 PM by Gloria
the way. If he realizes he made a mistake on Iraq, he should say it loudly, not just in the pages of Rolling Stone. That aside, I would gladly support a Clark/Kerry or Kerry/Clark ticket. A double barrel assault on the security issues, one from the NE and one from the South.

Would be lovely....

PS--Kerry's speech was excellent!! It's too bad he's been getting bad advice and a bad press....
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:23 PM
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37. Somebody has to report it
He just had press conference with 20 reporters I think Will said. If they don't report Kerry's words, you'll never know what he said, will you?

He came out criticizing Bush and his rush to war and his disastrous diplomacy in January 2003. He repeated it consistently throughout the next months, even though he was also dealing with cancer at the same time. He believed Saddam needed to be dealt with and given the circumstances in October, the vote for that purpose was right.

Trusting Bush, believing there would be diplomacy; he has said you can call it anything you want, a mistake, whatever; the fact is Bush failed. He fucked up royally. He's said it diplomatically since January. Now he's said it in words people understand. Bush fucked up in a way he never imagined was possible. Hate Bush if you like, but most Americans would never dream a President would act like Bush did, from either party.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:05 PM
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35. I gotta agree that Kerry is doing better....


Now that he's gotten rid of his crappy campaign mannager and is laying off the BS attacks on Dean, he's sounding better.

He's still like 3 or 4 on my list... but he's doing better than he was a few weeks ago.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:01 PM
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38. Welcome aboard, Walt and others! nt
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:47 AM
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39. Sorry to here this Walt
Kerry is going down faster than Michael Jackson on a twelve year old boy.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. All the Jackson jokes on SNL...)

Kerry's ship IS sinking fast though. He sinks it himself every time he speaks IMHO.

BAKER ?

Get over it?

Whatever
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:52 AM
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40. Were you aware of this?
Some Kerry supporters have shown so much concern for Dean supporters not really knowing their candidate that they do the Democratic Party a big favor by pointing out things to potential Dean supporters that they might not like. I feel it's only right that I return the favor. Were you aware that Kerry has a history of dabbling in offshore tax shelters?

Check this out:

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061903b.shtml
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FXDS Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:48 AM
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41. Shame on Kerry
This reminds me of those evil Clintons BA HA! It's time for Democrats to get there head out of there ass and focus on getting rid of Bush! If you want to talk about fruad lets talk about Bush!
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:05 AM
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42. He didn't either
How many really, truly read a propectus cover to cover...I'll admit it I don't...should I before I invest...yes...but I just don't have the time.

and he didn't either...it's from your own post (send it back to the Deanibot base):

Although two of the companies involved were based offshore, Kerry said he was unaware of a Cayman connection. The first sentence of the pledge agreement that Kerry signed, however, describes Sytel Traders as "a corporation duly organised (sic) and existing under the laws of the Cayman Islands."

"I didn't look at it. I honestly didn't," he said. " never aware of that, and I would have opposed that."

Asked if Ginvest was created specifically for his investment, he replied: "I think that's correct. I think they created some entity that became called whatever, you know, name they gave it, which became the conduit or the holding company for whatever transactions were that generated the `loss,' income, depending when and how they bought what they did, and they were the ones who knew how to do it."

"It wasn't legit," said Kerry. "And thank God my accountant looked at me and said, `Don't do this,' and thank God, I think, that I had the good judgment to listen to him and not want to create something that I would pay the price for down the road."

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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:10 AM
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43. He appears
much healthier of late...I think the surgery really wiped him out for a time...which is normal. Noticed this in the last couple of weeks that his "color" and energy level appears stronger than it had.

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