Dean coming up on CSPAN replay of convention

[pruner]

he's about to take the stage.

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1. He's got to work on his speaking

He does yell too much. He needs to bring it down once in a while, or it gets boring.

[slinkerwink]

2. I think Clark yelled also

;-)

[wtmusic]

3. Absolutely

Clark IMO was even worse. I expect more out of Dean

;-)

[slinkerwink]

5. did you watch it earlier today or is this the first time tonight?

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6. first time

[slinkerwink]

7. you'll like this and the Q&A forum afterwards!

;-)

[pruner]

4. I think he's bringing it down often enough

he slows it down and then quickly builds it up.

I felt Kucinich brought it down too far before starting to bring it up.

[TLM]

28. You should understand it sounds way different in the hall...

than is sounds over the TV mics. They cut audience mics on and off, so the speaker can be heard better, but the effect is when they are being loud so the whole hall of 7000 people can hear them, they are even louder over the TV.

If you've been to one of these events, you can't hear unless he yells.

[qanda]

8. This is painful!!!!!!!

He keeps pausing and stumbling over words. What's wrong?

[slinkerwink]

9. nothing's wrong......

He hits his best stride in the last part of his speech

[SahaleArm]

18. You have the power!

It's not like he can f*ck it up if after repeating it 14x:evilgrin:

[slinkerwink]

23. ha----so you like the top-down organization of clark's campaign?

;-)

[SahaleArm]

29. Dean's campaign is a bunch of independent headless chickens?

Most Clark state campaigns are not run through Little Rock - Just click on the link.

[unfrigginreal]

34. Hey at least we're running a candidate

and not just putting on a Conrad Brean production.

[SahaleArm]

37. The sad truth is you're not even running a candidate.

You're running a revolution or way to change the party? What a bunch of utter bullsh*t - I'll vote for Tony Robbins Junior if he gets the nomination.

[slinkerwink]

40. your attitude ignores the discontent of the Democratic base which needs

to be awakened. And Dean's doing a great job of doing that!

[SahaleArm]

41. He's awakening the the base that's already awake - antiwar

The other half doesn't even vote - Get those people and Democrats win every election.

[slinkerwink]

42. why else do you think that Dean is interested in bringing in new voters?

[TLM]

30. What do you expect from those who want a general in charge...

if not a fondness for orders?

[FXDS]

10. Dean Hammers

Fellow Democrats that voted for the Iraq Resolution. Is this the fisrt time that Dean has spoken against his running mates? I don't recall any other canidates attacking Dean in Flordia today.

[slinkerwink]

11. they ARE bush lite.

;-)

[FXDS]

12. Why

would you consider fellow running mates Bush-Lite? I think we have nine great canidates!

[slinkerwink]

13. not when five of them supported the war on Iraq

[SahaleArm]

20. Name the five w/out Bulls*t - Dean's a liar *nm*

[slinkerwink]

22. ha, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards, Clark, and Lieberman

oh god, I almost completely blanked out on Lieberman---I remembered there was a fifth candidate.

[SahaleArm]

27. Nice to see you parroting Dean's lies.

I expected nothing less from 'me too'. You do know that Swett is Lieberman's NH chair?

From 10/10/2002:

The key issue about Iraq has never been whether weshould act if Saddam doesn't comply with U.N. resolutions anddisarm. Rather, the problems are how we should act, and when. As for the how, the answer is clear--multilaterally, with friends and allies, with every possible effort to avoid the appearance of yet another Christian and Jewish stab at an Islamic country, with force as a last resort, and with a post-conflict plan in place to assure that the consequences of our action do not supercharge the al-Qaeda recruiting machine. As for the when, let's take the time to plan, organize and do the whole job the right way. This will only take a few more weeks, and it's important. It's not just about winning a war--it's also about winning the peace.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/timep.iraq.viewpoints.tm/index.html

[slinkerwink]

31. I remember all those times that Clark praised the Bush administration

for their wonderful handling of the war, and said liberation in Iraq was at hand.....

[SahaleArm]

32. LSD is bad...

Uh, as an impartial military analyst? Please...

Dean on Bush I - 'Excellent on Foreign Policy' - He must love Baker, right?

[TLM]

33. He said he would have voted for the IWR...

Then he said he wouldn't.

Then he said he problably would have.

He said a lot of things.


http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-antiwar.html

(CNN 1/21/03)"I probably wouldn't have made the moves that got us to this point. But just assuming that we're here at this point, then I think that the president is going to have to move ahead, despite the fact that the allies have reservations."

(CNN, 2/5/03): "The credibility of the United States is on the line, and Saddam Hussein has these weapons and so, you know, we're going to go ahead and do this and the rest of the world's got to get with us.... The U.N. has got to come in and belly up to the bar on this. But the president of the United States has put his credibility on the line, too. And so this is the time that these nations around the world, and the United Nations, are going to have to look at this evidence and decide who they line up with."


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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0919-01.htm

General Clark said that he would have advised members of Congress to support the authorization of war but that he thought it should have had a provision requiring President Bush to return to Congress before actually invading. Democrats sought that provision without success.

"At the time, I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a question," General Clark said.

A moment later, he said: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position — on balance, I probably would have voted for it."

[SahaleArm]

35. You really should read Al Franken's book...

Since you love to take quotes out of context.

How's Biden-Lugar these days? http://www.clarkmyths.com/myth3.html

[TLM]

38. Note that you don't refute either quote from CNN

nor the policy quote from Clark himself regarding voting for the IWR.

All you do is try to spew the meme that Biden-Lugar was the same as the IWR.


"At the time, I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a question," General Clark said.

A moment later, he said: "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position — on balance, I probably would have voted for it."


Here is how BL was different...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, October 2, 2002

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today said that a bipartisan Senate compromise on a resolution allowing the President to use force to oust Saddam Hussein is far more faithful to the Constitution than the blank check resolution being lobbied for by the White House.

"Thankfully, this compromise embodies the lessons learned from the Gulf of Tonkin incident," said Timothy Edgar, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Granting the President a blank check to engage in overseas adventures is a recipe for human tragedy. This compromise resolution acknowledges those lessons."

In its letter to the Senate, the ACLU reiterated that it is neutral on whether the United States should go to war. However, it told the Senate that it remains firm in its conviction that the Constitutional obligations on Congress to make decisions about war need to be respected, especially with foreign policy questions of this magnitude.

The new resolution, negotiated by Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden (D-DE) and Former Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN), eliminates most of the similarities between the resolution the President wanted and the disastrous Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which led to a decade-long morass in which tens of thousands of Americans lost their lives.

Specifically, the Biden-Lugar compromise:

Clearly identifies the enemy. The proposed resolution closes the door to regional adventures in the Middle East. Under the proposed compromise, the President would have to seek additional Congressional authorization if he wished to widen the conflict in the region.
Spells out clear military objectives. Congress would hold a tight leash on the current conflict. This would be in marked contrast to its role in the Vietnam War, which was lost in part because of nebulous war aims. The Biden-Lugar compromise realizes the folly of sending troops into harm's way without delineating the specific military objectives to be accomplished.
Reaffirms the American conviction that war-making power should lie with the people. In contrast with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, the Biden-Lugar compromise would respect the ongoing prerogatives of Congress during military engagement. The Constitution demands that American military decisions involving the use of force rest only with the people's representatives in Congress.

The ACLU's letter on the Biden-Lugar compromise can be found at:
http://archive.aclu.org/congress/l100202a.html



Now it is fair to say Clark did not support the war as much as Lieberman or Gephardt or even Kerry did, but he did support it anf said he'd vote for the IWR.

[SahaleArm]

39. I also can distort any of Dean's quotes to fit an agenda...

Clark's intent was clear from the article writen in 2002. If you want to spin political reporters trying to conjure up a story, go ahead. I could spend years discussing quotes from double-talk Dean.

[eileen_d]

17. So many Dean supporters only see one "nominee"

and 8 annoying mosquitos. Not me - I'll wait for the votes to be counted...

[slinkerwink]

14. once again, everyone in the room stands up for Dean!!!!

;-)

[FXDS]

15. once again?

Not so fast!

[TLM]

36. He blew the roof off that place it was great...

Dean has really found his voice.

[slinkerwink]

16. :kick:

[opihimoimoi]

19. I think DEAN has what it takes.

He can and will do it.

If the convention drafts Hillary for the VP, the ticket will kick

ass big time. If Clark or Kerry is brought on, same thing, kick ass.

We got a winner in Dean.

[slinkerwink]

21. thanks!

:hi:

[unfrigginreal]

24. Great job by Dean and Kucinich

I guess Clark was too busy lighting his pink candles to answer the questions of citizens?

[pruner]

25. hehe…

[slinkerwink]

26. funny icon.....

;-)