LA Times - Clark felt it was time to "move on" during(?) the 2000 recount

[pruner]

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — Contenders for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination returned Saturday to the most heated battleground of campaign 2000, stoking the embers of Florida's disputed vote count three years ago and lashing President Bush before a huge crowd of partisans.

Speaking at the state Democratic Party convention, the candidates mixed familiar criticisms of Bush's record with jabs evoking the widespread sense among party activists that Bush stole the White House with his controversial 537-ballot victory in Florida.

…

Clark raised the same argument Saturday, emphasizing the issue more than any other speaker. Yet after his remarks, Clark faced questions from reporters who asked why he had not spoken out during the recount itself — and praised the Bush administration during an appearance at a GOP fundraiser in 2001. "Because I believed that this country needed to move on, just like … Gore said" in conceding the election, Clark replied.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-florida7dec07,1,2852702.story?coll=la-home-politics

[slinkerwink]

1. oh great---move on?

so now he's an opportunist, using the anger of the Florida Dems for his purpose, and ignoring them afterwards by saying their anger wasn't warranted.

The entire convention was completely DEAN because he tapped into that anger......

[eileen_d]

2. Thanks for that unbiased take!

As for the bolded quote in the original post... yawn.

[SahaleArm]

4. 'Oppurtunist' from a Dean supporter? Thanks I needed the laugh!

Pot meet Kettle - How's everyone's favorite Centrist Progressive?

[MIMStigator]

61. A move on-ner who will beat * is better than an angry Dean who will lose.

take your pick.

[TexasMexican]

64. Will Clark "move on"...

when Bush does to him what he did to Gore.

[MIMStigator]

65. Doubt it.

:-)

[Joe the Revelator]

3. "Just Like Gore Said"

sounds like he was carrying the Gore's own line.

[TLM]

10. great example to follow to win an election....

[_Jumper_]

34. Didn't you get the memo?

Gore was a kitten-eating, Republican-lite, PNAC plant!

[dajabr]

5. Dodged the question...

"during the recount itself"

I don't remember Gore asking the Country to move on DURING the recount.

[pruner]

7. exactly!

:toast:

[dajabr]

9. Watch your teacups!

Clark's joinin' the party!

Hi pruner!

:yourock:

[Gore1FL]

14. What recount?

n/t

[dajabr]

16. The one that was halted because it would have kept shrub out of office...

Remember?

[papau]

40. But Clark "move on" was 2001 comment - and seems to be logical

What should you say - "take up arms - now"?

[Julien Sorel]

28. And what did Governor Dr. Dean say during the recount?

[Forkboy]

44. Why dont you find out for us Billy

it wont change the words Clark said either way of course...

[wyldwolf]

57. And what has Dean said SINCE the recount?

I've heard Clark say Bush was "installed" by the SCOTUS or something along those lines. I'd be interesred to know if Dean has called the 2000 election for what it was.

[imhotep]

6. "Moving On"

is not the mantra of someone interested in fixing problems.

[eileen_d]

11. Your logic is flaw-full

"Moving on" is not Clark's mantra. Clark is interested in fixing problems, as any interaction with him or his campaign would make clear. But keep on bashing; I'm sure the money in it's good.

[TLM]

13. Yeah and i don't think what Gore meant by moving on...

was to go to a republican fundraiser and say:



"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."



"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."



"President George Bush (sr) had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

[Bread and Circus]

42. Yeah, wow, I've never seen a Dean supporter posting this before...

OMG what a new revelation...thanks...

[FrenchieCat]

51. You forgot most of the speech....

Kinda like Drudge and Fox did......although I have posted it for you many times.........you will need to post the link in the future...or else you really look as dishonest as your boss that lies a lot.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

here is one of the paragraphs of contention:
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You see, in the Cold War we were defensive. We were trying to protect our country from communism. Well guess what, it's over. Communism lost. Now we've got to go out there and finish the job and help people live the way they want to live. We've got to let them be all they can be. They want what we have. We've got some challenges ahead in that kind of strategy. We're going to be active, we're going to be forward engaged. But if you look around the world, there's a lot of work to be doneAnd I'm very glad we've got the great team in office: men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condolzeezza Rice, Paul O'Neill--people I know very well--our president, George W. Bush. We need them there, because we've got some tough challenges ahead in Europe.
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notice he says he is glad to have them in office for the challenges ahead in EUROPE!

[FrenchieCat]

52. Didn't Dean just

Admired President Bush Sr. on Hardball last Monday????????

and lying Colin Powell?????

What are you getting at with your tired self?

[TLM]

8. Wait a minute... so the reason Clark spoke at the repuke fundraiser...

was that he felt it was time to move on.... on to what, the republican party? His defence lobbyist jobs profiteering off 9-11 and the war on terror?

[SahaleArm]

12. Careful - Those black helicopters can fly awfully low...

I love your demagoguery, do they teach you that at Dean's mind control school?

[dajabr]

15. Clark Lovers...

Love a Bush Lover? Ouch!

[SahaleArm]

19. Dean on Bush I: 'Excellent on Foreign Policy'

Dean - End race based Affirmative Action
Dean - No to medicare while standing with Newt Gengrich
Dean - yes, no, maybe on right-to-work

Demagoguing is fun:)

[dajabr]

21. So is being a Democrat...

Glad Clark is giving it a try. Maybe when he's shown he can stick with it (8 years or so) he'll be a credible choice to nominate.

[SahaleArm]

58. If I'm not registered then I'm not a Democrat?

:wtf: When deanbots attack...

[TLM]

17. What demagoguery... Clark did both those things...

He worked as a defense lobbyist and advisor to companies on how to get contracts in defense and homeland security.

And he did say those things at a republican fund raiser.

You can flame me all you want, but it won't change the facts about Clark has said and done.

He did got to a repuke fundraiser in 2001 and say:

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."

"President George Bush (sr) had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."
_________________________________________________________



And Clark did work as a defense lobbyist and influence peddler.



_________________________________________________________

Wall Street Journal, 9/18/03

IN ANNOUNCING his presidential campaign, Wesley K. Clark promoted himself as the candidate best qualified to prosecute the war on terror. As a businessman, he has applied his military expertise to help a handful of high-tech companies try to profit from the fight Since retiring from a 34-year Army career in 2000, Gen. Clark has become : chairman of a suburban Washington technology-corridor start-up, managing director at an investment firm, a director at four other firms around the country and an advisory-board member for two others. For most, he was hired to help boost the companies' military business. .


That's EXACTLY what Cheney did for Halliburton.


more....

After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Gen. Clark counseled clients on how to pitch commercial technologies to the government for homeland-security applications. One is Acxiom Corp., based in Gen. Clark's hometown of Little Rock, Ark., where he formally launched his campaign yesterday. He joined the board of the Nasdaq-traded company in December 2001, as the company started to market its customer-database software to federal agencies eager to hunt for terrorists by scanning and coordinating the vast cyberspace trove of citizen information.

"He has made efforts at putting us in contact with the right people in Washington ... setting up meetings and participating in some himself," says Acxiom Chief Executive Charles Morgan. "Like all of us around 9/11, he had a lot of patriotic fervor about how we can save our country."


<snip>

While he was originally hired as a consultant by WaveCrest Laboratories LLC, Dulles, Va.,to help find military buyers for its promising new electric motor, Gen. Clark became the company's chairman in April, and has also focused on selling products in the commercial market. But Gen. Clark's knowledge of and ties with, the military and government markets have been a large part of his appeal to potential employers.

Stephens Inc., the large, politically connected Little Rock investment firm, hired him to boost its aerospace business shortly after he gave up his NATO command. He left Stephens last year and opened his own consultancy, Wesley K. Clark & Associates.
While Gen. Clark was at Stephens, the firm also marketed him to clients such as Silicon Energy-in which Stephens held a stake - "as a good person to help us understand the federal procurement process," says Mr. Woolard. The company was trying to enter the government market, and Gen. Clark explained the process "and contacted people at the Navy and Air Force and told them what we had," Mr. Woolard says. (Silicon Energy was acquired earlier this year by Itron Inc., and Gen. Clark no longer advises the firm).

Time Domain Corp., a Huntsville, Ala., advanced wireless-technology company, recruited Gen. Clark to become an adviser in February 2002 through one of its chief operating officers, who had been a colonel under his NATO command during the Bosnia campaign. Gen. Clark has counseled the company on how to answer Pentagon concerns that its low-power radar system might interfere with global positioning and communications systems, as well as to better craft that technology for military use. board of Entrust, at the request of CEO William Conner, who had served with him on a Pentagon advisory panel.
At Entrust, Gen. Clark has provided advice on how to sell to various NATO governments, says David Wagner, Entrust's chief financial officer. He has also helped emphasize the firm's product securing electronic networks for new homeland-security applications.
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[ajacobson]

48. Since you are an expert on career counseling

what _would_ be an appropriate second career for a retired four-star general?

Assistant manager at Wendys?

Greeter at Wal-Mart?

Most generals do exactly what Clark did after they retire, they get on some boards and do consulting work. He reached out to some friends and got some consulting gigs. He wrote a couple of books. Why is this so heinous?

[FrenchieCat]

54. You mean like Dean's Big time Corporate interests?????

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002289.asp?vts=12720030452
Looking for Skeletons
everything that is wrong with George W. Bush’s America: wealthy executives who move their businesses to tax-free tropical islands. The kind of people who pocket the president’s big tax cuts and “then move their corporations to Bermuda and their jobs offshore,” as Dean told Chris Matthews on “Hardball” last week. People like Ian Cumming, a reclusive mogul who runs Leucadia National Corp. in Salt Lake City. Leucadia was one of several companies that sparked controversy last year by announcing plans to head to Bermuda to escape paying millions in U.S. taxes.

SO WHO IS Cumming supporting in next year’s race for the White House? Howard Dean. In May, Cumming threw a fund-raising party at Leucadia’s headquarters that brought in around $25,000 for the campaign. He also donated something more helpful: use of his corporate jet to fly the former Vermont governor to campaign events. Cumming’s jet even ferried Dean and his family to Hawaii recently to retrieve the remains of his brother, who died in Laos during the Vietnam War. When NEWSWEEK first contacted the campaign about Leucadia’s largesse, Dean’s aides said they were entirely unaware of its Bermuda plans and blamed the oversight on a lapse in vetting. “In light of this new information,” Dean spokeswoman Tricia Enright said later, “the campaign will no longer utilize Mr. Cumming’s aircraft.” (Enright adds that the campaign has reimbursed Leucadia for the use of the plane, and Dean is “in the process” of paying for the personal trip.)
Better vetting is exactly what the Dean campaign needs

OR MAYBE HE JUST GOT CAUGHT!

[Marines for Clark]

30. Dean supporters are dirty just like their cand Howard Draft dodger Dean

[Jerseycoa]

38. You're getting close

"Dean supporters are dirty"

This might be illegal on DU (name-calling).

Argue on the issues, make your points, back them up, but do not forget who you are representing here, please.

[Forkboy]

45. shallow,insiped analysis

[dfong63]

18. a recurrent clark theme - move on

- just like, Clark thinks software jobs should "move on" to india...

clark: let them do the software in india

[ibegurpard]

20. yeah, that was really reassuring

n/t

[unfrigginreal]

22. Also like his - "I don't want to know about it"

to the Pentagon source that tried to tell him about the Bush plans to attack 8 middle eastern countries. That was in Nov. 2001, I wonder when the lovefest with the pukes was held?

[sandnsea]

23. Focus on Bush????

He's the one we need to be going after. Why don't all our Democratic candidates just focus on him instead of going after... Dean???? Didn't I hear that somewhere...

[ibegurpard]

24. So is it safe to assume you're no longer a Kerry supporter?

n/t

[sandnsea]

32. Why?

Because I'm sick of Deanie's bashing everybody about stupid shit and never discussing real issues?

[unfrigginreal]

25. LOL

Thats cute coming from you. Lucky for us the Clarkies didn't learn anything by watching what a bunch of hateful Kerry supporters could do to their guys' goodwill on this board.

[sandnsea]

29. That's all I ever hear

Why are Kerry supporters supposed to do this, but not Dean supporters. "Post positive stuff on your candidate and don't bash Dean." That's all I've heard for months, then your supporters turn right around and start in on Clark. I'll keep pointing out the hypocrisy no matter who Deanie's go after.

[Julien Sorel]

33. The marching orders are coming from the

Dean blog: Clark is the enemy now; forget Kerry, go after Clark. These guys aren't very moral or bright, and lots of them have personality disorders, but they are obedient. What 'HQ' says, they do. It's funny, given how some of them used to attack Clark for being a military man, and claimed he was only capable of giving orders. You'd think that would have made him their perfect candidate.

[Khephra]

36. You got any proof for your wild accusations?

I sure as hell didn't get any "marching orders".

BTW, it's SOOOOOOOOO nice to know that you, like The Shadow, are able to look into the hearts of men and women and see whether or not we're moral...or bright. REAL nice one.

I'm a Deanie, but I support Clark's run. Billy, you--most of almost anyone here on the Clark side--make it real freeping hard to keep an open mind about him with your personal insults.

[Forkboy]

46. Billy has been Clark's worst nightmare on DU

he's doing nothing to help his candidate.

[Julien Sorel]

60. I can see by many of your posts.

The lies, the inventions. Ever see some of the ludicrous shit your fellow Deanites post? The long reams of attack stuff that falls apart after two minutes of scrutiny? The pure invention? I'd name names, but I'm sure you know who they are. The fact that most of you blindly support a candidate who's a liar speaks volumes about your morality as far as I'm concerned.

And as for the marching orders, I've seen several links on the Clark blog to posts on the Dean blog like, 'OK, the person to worry about now is Clark. If we keep focusing on Kerry, Clark could slip by,' or words to that effect. Thet started about 1 1/2 weeks ago, and since that time I've noticed an increase in the attacks here.

I'm a Deanie, but I support Clark's run. Billy, you--most of almost anyone here on the Clark side--make it real freeping hard to keep an open mind about him with your personal insults.

ROFL. You have to be kidding me. First of all, my disgust with Dean has nothing to do with Clark. Second of all, I was patient for weeks, while your fellow Kool-aid swillers continued attacking Clark and other candidates relentlessly with the most outrageous bullshit. I posted in the Admin forums, suggesting that rules be put in place to limit the types and volumes of attacks. Nothing happened. So I started giving you people back a taste of your own, and now you whine about it. Personal insults? How about the Kool-aid swillers, and there are several, who attack people new to the board because they support Clark? Did you say anything to them? Have you said anything to the ones who continue attacking Clark supporters as Republicans? Have you said anything to the swillers who continue to post distortions and outright lies? Spare me your pious mumblings about personal attacks until you do, because what it sounds like you are really saying is 'attacks on Dean,' and that's not ending.

[slinkerwink]

26. that's odd because you sure seemed to go after dean a lot

[sandnsea]

31. What goes around...

As long as crap like this is posted by Deanie's, there's no reason for anybody else to just lay down and say nothing. And I don't pretend nobody bashes either.

[deminflorida]

27. I Think all you guys need to sit on your hands again for a while.

N/T

[Myra]

35. Wow! It worked. Very impressive deminflorida. You got some mojo.

We could use you in the middle east...

[Jerseycoa]

37. Ah

How the warm and fuzzies got started.

"At one point, it appeared the Dean and Clark campaigns might come to blows. Outside the convention hall, the two sides stood virtually face to face, barking at each other with competing chants of "We Want Dean!" and "Go, Wes, Go!" Then a Clark supporter began chanting, "No More Bush!" After a moment, both sides picked up the cry, and the two groups of Democrats united, for a moment at least, in their shared antipathy toward the president."

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Mistep on Clark's part.

We needed fighters back in 2000. Even if he wasn't a fighter, he should at least respect the anger that still exists here in Florida.

[papau]

41. During the recount a military officer said nothing - just as the rules com

command -

and in 2001 he says move on.

This tempest does not even fill the teapot.

[FrenchieCat]

56. But what did Dean say in

2000 about the election after Gore said "move on"?

[Cheswick2.0]

43. great maybe I will just stay home and write in Gore

This constant attack on Clark is certainly not turning me on to the other candidates. It is true that I am concerned with what Clark said and did in the past. But I don't like Kerry and I don't like Dean (mostly for attacking other democrats and pretending to be the liberal when he is centrist) and I am oddly unmoved by DK even though I think he is a very decent guy. I would prefer to vote for Carol, Al Sharpton or Dick Gephardt than any of the front runners.

I think I will go back to my original plan of writing in Gore. This is the most disheartening campaign season I ever remember living through.
Maybe we can draft Byrd?

[kerryistheanswer]

47. I don't trust Clark

How could we trust somebody who voted Republican when Democrats needed him most and has never held a public office? How do we have so many Democrats jumping on the Clark bandwagon.

How can Clark supporters consider themselves Democrats? Have you heard Clark speak - he never talks about specifics -

Women should particularly be alarmed - Wesley Clark is so used to the all boys way of life - west point, the army, investment banking. He DOES NOT understand women's issues.

[kiahzero]

49. Watch Clark's NH town hall

Watch for where he talks to the women that was sexually abused on base. Watch his response.

Then try and tell me he "does not understand women's issues."

[ajacobson]

50. Not unusual

14% of previous presidents did not hold any elective office before becoming president.

Many Democrats and Independents are jumping on the Clark bandwagon because he's the leader we need right now. If you are into purity and litmus tests, I'm sure you can find something to disqualify any candidate.

If you think that Clark's message is outside the Democratic Party mainstream, you need to talk to more people in the real world.

[ecstatic]

63. disenfranchised voters should *move on*

Well, maybe I will move on--right past Clark's name on the ballot.

[slinkerwink]

59. welcome to DU!!!!

:hi:

[DemCam]

62. Stupid questions, folks

By the reporter. As I recall...almost NO ONE said anything...to my great horror...except Jesse Jackson and look what happened to him?

Everybody just stood around and got MOVE ON SORELOSERMAN screamed in their faces.

The only people who spoke up, I recall, is Greg Palast and he had to move to London.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Ah yes!

pruners daily bash Clark thread. I can't wait to see Monday's, Tuesday's, Wednesday's, Thursday's, Friday's and Saturday's. After the SCOTUS stopped the count, what else was to be said? The Democratic Party itself said the same thing. Your threads are getting old. :eyes:

[WilliamPitt]

55. Way to quote Al Gore

[Selwynn]

66. I agree with Clark.

"Our best days are ahead of us, not behind us" and I'm sick and tired of a poor and pathetic democratic party always sniveling in the corener about how unfair life is and how wronged we were rather than standing up, putting it away and looking towards the future. We're not going to win 2004 because of what happened in 2000. We're going to win 2004 if we look to the future and nominate the right candidate with the best ideals and vision for what's next.

[slinkerwink]

67. we need to remember the anger of a stolen election in order to get rid of

Diebold machines!

[Cocoa]

68. there's no contradiction

it was arguably in the country's interest to heal after 2000, but it should be an issue in 2004, to right the wrong through the democratic process.