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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:39 PM
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"Angry Patriots" in history
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 05:40 PM by mgdecombe
It appears that one of the GOP memes of choice will be "Tired of the anger and pessimism? Vote for President George Bush, the Peaceful, Prosperous President."

If ever there were a need for angry patriotism it is right now, if ever there were an need for tough love, it is right now, if ever there were a need to smash this meme, it is BEFORE it gets a foothold in the public consciousness. That is right now.

This seems to be the GOP strategy:

Democrat = Anger
Anger = Charismatic, scary leader
Charismatic, scary leader = Hitler

Let's make a list of the "Angry Patriots" that made this country, and have continued to push this country in the right direction.

I've got one to start us off:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"- Thomas Jefferson

Edited title for spelling, and again, spelling
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:54 PM
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1. The signers of the Declaration of Independence risked their lives
they were angry enough to risk hanging for treason.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:06 PM
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6. Would be interesting to gather some "angry" quotes
from the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:57 PM
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2. Blind rage?
I've never envisioned our forefathers as filled with blind rage, especially the ones who actually pulled the states together to pass the Constitution, etc. I've always seen them as inspiring the masses to independence and self-rule, not ranting and raving wildly against England.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:13 PM
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11. Are you saying that dems now are filled with "blind rage"?
Are they ranting and raving? This is how the GOP means to portray them. Is this a realistic portrayal?

Do you not envision our forefathers filled with "rage" because we have no video? Things got pretty hot 'n heavy back then.

I'd say that throwing a bunch of tea in the harbor was pretty ranty!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:43 PM
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15. Clear-headed anger
It's different than rage that slaughters everything in it's path. Yes, I do think there's a Democrat or two who are slaughtering everything in their path for their own purposes.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:35 AM
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26. Like the ones who voted for the IWR?
Are you also counting the slaughter in Iraq?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:59 PM
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3. Why do the Reps get to be angry?
But when we do it, we are bad.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:03 PM
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4. Many abolitionists were angry folks.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:08 PM
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8. And for good reason.
Where would we be right now without the "anger" of abolitionists?

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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:06 PM
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5. Patrick Hanry
seemed to be a little pissed off, from what I've read. hehe
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:07 PM
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7. Yep. Isn't he the famed "Live Free of Die" guy? nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:17 PM
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12. No
he was the "Give me liberty or give me death" "guy"

and his name Patrick Henry.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:21 AM
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23. Thank you. nt
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:08 PM
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9. The entire Revolution was full of
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 06:09 PM by lib4life
angry patriots tired of the yoke of tyranny. Paine, Jefferson, Washington, Adams. Take your pick.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:10 PM
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10. Martin Luther King- "angry"?
Yes, he was angry. And he was weary sometimes. But he had an amazing ability to wrap his message (sometimes an angry message) with hope. "I have a dream".

If the repukes could get hold of "I have a dream" today, they would call it, "I have nightsweats."
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:38 PM
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13. Am I angry
A previous poster said it best - yes I'm angry and if you are not, you are not paying attention.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:31 AM
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25. Yes, but sadly, the converse is true
If you're not paying attention (like the majority of spoon-fed Americans), you're not angry.

That's why this GOP meme is so dangerous.
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BadFaith Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:42 PM
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14. OK...
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
- Theodore Roosevelt

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing the ground."
- Frederick Douglass

"My experience in government is that when things are non-controversial and beautifully coordinated, there is not much going on."
- John F. Kennedy

"Democracy is no easy form of government. Few nations have been able to sustain it. For it requires that we take the chances of freedom; that the liberating play of reason be brought to bear on events filled with passion; that dissent be allowed to make its appeal for acceptance; that men chance error in their search for the truth."
- Robert F. Kennedy

"A riot is the language of the unheard."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Freedom rings whenever opinions clash."
- Adlai Stevenson

"It is the common failing of totalitarian regimes that they cannot really understand the nature of our democracy. They mistake dissent for disloyalty. They mistake restlessness for a rejection of policy. They mistake a few committees for a country. They misjudge individual speeches for public policy."
- Lyndon B. Johnson

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Too many people desire to suppress criticism simply because they think it will give some comfort to the enemy. If that comfort makes the enemy feel better for a few moments, they are welcome to it because the maintenance of the right to criticism in the long run will do the country maintaining it a great deal more good than it will do the enemy."
- Robert Taft

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
- Edward R. Murrow

"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."
- H. L. Mencken

"Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive."
- Henry Steele Commager

"When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart."
- Ralph Waldo Emmerson

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein

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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:24 PM
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16. Thanks BadFaith n/t
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:20 AM
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22. Wow, This is amazing, thank you!
Wonderful list of quotes.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:31 PM
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17. let Facts be submitted to a candid world
what follows is a little angry patriotism from the good old Declaration of Independence.
This part is so timely it is eerie
(my comments in italics):

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
(tell me if any of this reminds you of the current king george)

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
(clear skies initiative, healthy forest initiative, and the new mercury poisoning rules, have they come up with a clever name for that yet?)

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
(sounds like someone I know)

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
(natch, that's w)

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
(FCC hearings for example)

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
(see Texas redistricting. Delay has all the manly firmness in the world when it comes to invasions on the rights of the people, just ask him.)

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
(Max Cleland)

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
(check)

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
(pushing for no fillibusters on judicial nominations)

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
(someone like Owens is really gonna owe him one alright)

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
(the very "flexible" Homeland Security Dept)

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
(PNAC in the hizzouse)

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
(see Medicare act and Energy bill)

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
(those caught protesting outside of the 1st amendment zones beware the rubber bullet wrath of Jeb!)

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
(Fair Trade?Free Trade? What's the diff? W was able to scoop up the Pittsburgh cash while lifting the steel tariff in order to head off an EU trade war designed to hurt him in other states)
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
(deficits as far as the eye can see)

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
(see Padilla for one)

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
(the guantanamo prisoners only wish there would be a prospect of being tried)

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:(see John Ashcroft)

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
(see the Patriot Act)

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.("everything has changed since 9/11")

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
(true dat, bring 'em on)

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
(again see clear skies initiative, healthy forests initiative, no child left behind act)

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
(w and Halliburton both)

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
(Operation Iraqi liberation)

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
(Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, etc.)

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Seems like a little anger about now is prudent indeed.

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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:29 AM
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24. I bow to you, Babzilla! I think we should have a reading
of the Declaration of Independence, coordinated on the steps of the Supreme Court, The Capitol, and as close to the White House as we can get!

I got chills when I read your post.

And yeah, I got mad as hell all over again!
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 01:14 AM
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27. creepy, innit?
Its like they were warning us against this very occasion.

Oh wait, they were weren't they?

I'm gonna have to take them up on their very good advice.

--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

I've had quite enough sufferance, I'm ready for the alteration of the system now.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 01:55 AM
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30. It *is* creepy. And incredibly smart.
They were smart dudes.

They were also counting on a literate population of citizens.

Are we already too late?

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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 02:43 AM
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31. its never too late
to humbly redress a long train of abuses and usurpations.

It is our right and our duty.

I'm totally down for that Re-Declaration reading, anytime and on any steps.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 01:55 AM
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29. Thanks, Babzilla
Reading that, along with your comments, gave me chills. I guess it's true, history does repeat itself.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 02:52 AM
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32. Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury
that just about sums things up as they stand now.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 07:59 PM
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18. candid blind rage

:kick:
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 11:40 PM
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19. it is their duty, to throw off such Government
eom
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:00 AM
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20. Of course we're angry...
Look at all the shit that has been happening!

The 2000 election theft, the phony Iraq war, GW and his cronies robbing us blind. His cronies are getting filthy rich, while our children will be footing the bill.

What should we be doing? Should we say, "Yes sir. May I have another." Of course we're angry.
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:03 AM
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21. Alexander Hamilton
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 01:25 AM
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28. Watch the move on movie.
I became an angry patriot when I saw it.
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