Hillary the hawk

[ringmastery]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/08/opinion/08SAFI.html

Consider the political meaning of all this. Here is a Democrat who has no regrets for voting for the resolution empowering the president to invade Iraq; who insists repeatedly and resolutely that "failure is not an option"; who is ready to send in a substantially greater U.S. force to avert any such policy failure — and yet whose latest poll ratings show her to be the favorite of 43 percent of Democrats, three times the nomination support given front-runner Howard Dean.

What cooks? One reason is that Hillary stands aloof, hard to get, while all the others are slavering for support. Another could be that most Democrats don't yet realize she's a hard-liner at heart. A third is that her personal appeal to liberals (and apoplectic opposition from conservatives) overwhelms all Democrats' policy differences. A fourth — and don't noise this around — could be that she speaks for the silent majority of centrist Democrats who yearn for the Old Third Way without Mr. Clinton.

[Fovea]

1. The third way

seeks to create a new social contract between business, citizen, and government.

That contract was grotesquely and cynically parodied by Newt Gingrich and the NeoConservative movement.


There is no justification for the citizen to trust either business, or government to act in their interest currently, and that is why DLC is so highly irrelevant. It seeks to regain the paradigm of the nineties, but the neoconservatives have co-opted half of the rhetoric of the DLC, and demonized the other half.

That which supports the DLC, even more effectively supports that which is destroying all that the third way cherishes. When they voted for the Iraq war, they have removed themselves from the effective leadership of the opposition party.

Only the voice of opposition is relevant at this point.

[mmonk]

2. I consider myself somewhat of a Third Way person

but imperial moves or dreams like the PNAC are not what some of us envision. If Hillary or Blair do, well I have to align with Schroeder.

[JailBush]

3. Screw Hillary.

I suspect many Democrats idolize her merely because she possesses so much power - she's the club they yearn for to beat George W. Bush. But I'll never forget what Billary did to America's public schools through Goals 2000 - the forerunner of Bush's No Child Left Alive Act. Nor will I forget Billary campaigning to help pay off Washington State political whore Maria Cantwell's campaign debt.

Let's face it, Hillary's a Demopublican.

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[thebigidea]

8. you must've missed his classic "welcome Bush with RPGs" thread

[GalleryGod]

10. Have another cup of coffee! Too Much Home Town RAIN??

Seattle?
LoserVille!

[tlb]

4. She positions herself as the un-Dean.

Anticipating the Dean message will be repudiated in 04, she will offer the 08 voters a more conventional choice.

Above and beyond that, what else did you expect ? For all the talk of misleading policy by Bush, US policy and intelligence about Iraq has been consistent for the last ten years. For Hillary to go soft now would mean the years of Clinton sanctions, airstrikes, WMD reports, etc woudl have been a lie. Why do you think she would accept that with her ambitions ?

[oasis]

5. Hillary will continue to be a force in the Democratic Party for decades to

come. During that period, the misogynists will be the ones falling by the wayside.

[CWebster]

6. Political publicity

But like Lieberman and Kerry, once she opens the door to run, the long slide down commences.

And if there was such a "silent majority" as you claim, wouldn't one of the more DLC candidates be dominating the polls?

[GalleryGod]

9. We Ain't So Silent When It Comes to Giving $$$'s and GOTV time

And I think your analyis is closer to the core,here,:think:

As for our interloper, TURNKEY-FUGAZI?

"Billary" isn't that a DITTOHEAD term!

Friggin' Cockroach!