Gore plotted to stop dems from winning the house to stop rival Gephardt

[Bombtrack]

from becoming speaker.

I read all about this in my friends book about Al Gore from the guys at counterpunch. Although they always spin everything way to the left, I'm not aware of them making stuff up or lying at any time.

I bring this up because a DUer said something like, "Gore would never want Dean to prevent a win in 04 so he could have the nomination for himself in 08"

I was wondering if there is any web info that people have. I'll post it if I can find some.

*on edit:

A final irony. As the Gore attack whippets snapped at Nader the most conspicuous effect was a turn-off by Democratic voters, in the form of lower predicted turnout. Early checks of Oregon’s postal ballots showed a sharp fall-off from the vote four years ago, but with Nader’s numbers going up. This bodes ill for any hopes of a Democratic recapture of the House of Representatives. Not that Gore probably cares. Back in 1996, he denied House leaders vital campaign funds with which they might have recaptured the House back then. He didn’t want to see his rival Dick Gephardt as house majority leader. There’s Gore for you. And they attack Nader as bad for the Democratic Party!
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=9040

Even though it's from an editorial defending Nader, it atleast shows I'm not pulling it out of my ass, there were at least a couple pages about it in the book

[Terwilliger]

1. Why didn't you post this back in the day?

Why now? Smarting?

[Bombtrack]

7. I think the "I bring this up because" is where you should start reading

I know a lot of text, but you can handle it.

[Scott Lee]

10. Are you buying this, Terwilliger? *snicker*

[Terwilliger]

13. You bring it up b/c Gore just dissed your choice and it hurts

You should have said it from day one and used it representatively as why you should be critical of politics in general.

[Bombtrack]

17. It shows Gore's having an alterior motive is a good possibility

why would I be bringing up Gore when he wasn't a candidate for anything or in the news at all.

I guess I was really inconsistent to not be talking about terrorism on 9-10-01

[Terwilliger]

23. it shows that your vision of ulterior motives

is best expressed when something goes wrong

Frankly, all of this does NOTHING to help Clark. You need to play up Clark's positives...not tear down Dean.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

52. I saw Al Gore and Richard Gephardt fighting in this 1988 video:

http://www.lwv.org/media/debates/1976.html

They were really at each other's throats - perhaps they are political rivals. Not sure if I believe Gore is endorsing Dean so Dean will lose and Gore can run in 2004, but hey, stranger things have happened.

[Padraig18]

2. Wow!

You must be really bitter to be starting all these threads now. can't remembering you posting even one 'Gore' thread before today.

[DemNoir]

3. Oh my

I sense a lot of frustration out there!

[K-W]

4. Rival in what?

This doesnt make much sense. Actually its almost completely unbelievable. The Democrats losing control hurt Gore far far too much for anyone to make any argument that he personally wanted it to happen.

[Bombtrack]

11. the nomination for president

it was 1996.

[elcondor]

19. They were rivals in 1988

Hate to nitpick, but I don't want people to get confused. Gore and Gephardt went after each other pretty hard for the nomination in 88 and ultimately both lost, IMHO, because they were distracted by each other and Jackson and Dukakis slipped by.

[Bombtrack]

26. and Gephardt would have been a likely nominee in 2000 if he could've

become speaker. Rivalries for poilitical office don't necessitate paperwork to exist.

[elcondor]

45. You could be right about that

I thought you were talking about how they both ran for the nomination in 1988. Personally, I think that being speaker wouldn't necessarily have guaranteed Gephardt the 2000 nomination, but it certainly would have put him in a better position for the one he's running for now. But I do agree that paperwork isn't necessary for a political rivalry.

[chaumont58]

47. Wow, the stuff that comes out of the far left

Your scenario is that a Speaker of the House gets the nomination over a sitting Vice President who wants the nod?
You got to change bootleggers, man, that stuff you are using is rotting your mind.

[niyad]

55. I don't remember that they were both trying to unseat clinton in 96

(you do remember that he won the nomination and a second term as president that year?)

[Rose Siding]

5. Gee. Dirt on Gore.

Now *that's* original :eyes:

[onecitizen]

6. Maybe you weren't aware of it........

(them lying or making stuff up) but now you are.

[Scott Lee]

8. Gore endorses Dean - let backstabbing begin

I love it when some in the former Gore adoring crowd turns like distempered hyenas on him when he endorses Dean.

[Bombtrack]

14. amazing you can accuse me of being in "in the former Gore adoring crowd"

I haven't been since I read that book.

About half of it is completely dismissable if you aren't a raving far leftist, but alot of it shows him to be a rather unappealing choice for public service, given the choice between he and other democrats

[Scott Lee]

42. Try reading the post again. Sound out the words this time.

I said that SOME in that crowd are now doing a whiplash 180 on Gore because he didn't endorse their guy.

[Sean Reynolds]

9. Now let the anti-Gore/Dean posts fly!

[Khephra]

18. Keep your head down

This is where it starts. People won't be able to hold back the venom any longer, if they've held it back at all. Things are going to get real nasty here as the primaries start.

I expect a heavy chunk of posters who are active in campaign threads will not be around much longer. Today is a sign of things to come. Big wins (of any type) will no longer be tolerated by some opposition supporters.

Best get people's email addresses if you think they might crack and go over the edge in posts here. There's going to be a lot of tombstones here soon. Some of us will never be able to "get in line" and support certain candidates, should they win primaries...and it's going to be hard for those people to keep from crossing the line.

So, in other words--hold on, we're in for a bumpy ride!

[ibegurpard]

20. Couldn't get much worse than Saturday.

IHMO

[Khephra]

24. Oh yes it could...and I don't even know how many we lost Sat.

How many did we lose?

[Scott Lee]

43. Lose?? I was here on Saturday - what did I miss?

[ibegurpard]

46. I don't know if we lost anyone on Saturday or not

But it was EXCEPTIONALLY vile and nasty in GD that day.

[adadem]

33. Right on the mark

The Dean campaign has alienated alot of people and have lots of work to do to get them back if the Dr. does get the nod. He'll need every vote to beat bush. You guys are going to have to face the fact that many swing and moderate votes may very will sit out the election...you'll need a different approach to get them to the booths. Starting with the Dr. refusing the NRA endorsements....until then I'll sit it out.

[ibegurpard]

12. Really Bombtrack you are taking this Dean animosity to an absurd

level. It's just getting ridiculous.

[Padraig18]

15. Yes, he is.

Multiple anti-Gore threads today, as soon as the news broke. Gotta love someone who pisses on a parade, don't ya? :eyes:

[HFishbine]

16. But it's doing a lot for his candidate

Who is that again?

[Cocoa]

21. Counterpunch smeared Paul Wellstone

accused him of being silent on the corporate scandals of a couple of years ago. Wellstone's office was furious, provided evidence from the congressional record. Counterpunch gave a really snotty retraction, getting a couple of more shots in at Wellstone at the same time.

i.e. this is not a good source, the Gore thing is no doubt B.S.

[desi]

22. I'm a newbie here...

...am I allowed to say Horseshit..??? :wtf:

[ibegurpard]

25. Welcome to DU!

Yes you can say that...just not if you are starting a thread in the opening post.

[desi]

31. Thanks ibegurpard

.....I decided just this weekend to join the Dean Campaign to Victory over Public Enemy No 1 GW Bush and am happy to hear that President Gore will be endorsing Dr. Dean. I will not bash any of the other candidates even if Dean were not to win the nomination. I will in fact work hard, back, and vote for whomever that might be.

[ibegurpard]

32. Great sentiments!

I hope you can manage to hold on to them...things can get pretty heated and nasty in here sometimes.

[desi]

36. Thanks again ibegurpard

I don't mind jumping into the heat of the kitchen every now and then though I think we should direct our anger towards the real enemy...Bush and the Neo-CONS....

[Padraig18]

29. Welcome to DU, and yes, you are.

I say it all the time. :P

[desi]

34. Thanks Padraig18

...I don't want to get tossed already. Dean is going to look good standing next to President Gore...:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Padraig18]

40. YW!

Yes, President Gore's endorsement is HUGE! :bounce:

[newyawker99]

44. Hi desi!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[WillyT]

27. The Horror... The Horror... LOL !!!

:shrug:

[WhosNext]

28. I think Gore is doing this to position himself as a savior in '08

It's just an opinion. I'm not a freeper. Just a frigging opinion, folks.

Gore-Ford, Jr. 2008?

[Terwilliger]

30. Savior to what?

You really think Gore is trying to sabotagethe Democratic candidate?

[WhosNext]

35. Sabotage? no

I think he realizes Dean will probably NOT win in '04, and thus by getting his name out there he is already beginning the push for '08. If Gore is so done with politics, why is he doing this? In actuality, if Dean loses '04, Bush stays in power until '08, Gore will be seen as a huge candidate in '08. I can't envision who the GOP could put out there that would have a shot. Gore has huge name recognition and the ability to get many votes.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

37. Frankly, I think he is doing it to send a message to super delegates NOT

to undermine Dean or the party base. I am reserving judgement until I hear his reasoning from his own mouth but there has been a great deal o talk as to what the super delegates will do.

If anything, I suspect he is trying to send the party establishment a message, I am just not certain I agree with others as to what that message is.

[WhosNext]

39. Possibly.

[Old and In the Way]

38. As a Kerry supporter-

I say good for Gore! He has a perfect right to endorse anyone he chooses. Dean seems to be gaining serious momentum and I think Al wants to unite the Party behind the guy who seems to be capturing the fire and imagination of Democrats and Independents alike.

My only hope is that Dean balance his ticket with someone who has strong military creds....either Kerry or Clark would be great. I hope that their egos would allow them to accept 2nd fiddle, it really is that important to get a Democratic majority in the Executive and Legislative branches.

[KittyWampus]

41. Counterpunch Is Icky!

and I need a Christmas avatar... excuse me please....

[ozone_man]

54. Nice cards,

But isn't Wes a bit out of his element?

We really got hit here in the NE. Earliest storm (in Vermont) of this size since 1900.

[Skip Intro]

48. No, no, no - not for a minute

If you buy that Gore had some seething, red-hot rivalry with Gep, and that he had the power to effect the outcome of House races in 96 to the extent that he could cause Dems to lose races that were winnable, you'd also have to believe that Gore would allow the crazies on the right to gain power over the course of the nation - all for his own personal gian.

I cannot believe that of Gore - I think this story is bs (not the fact that you posted it, tho, glad you did).

I just got back online after several hours, and I haven't read any other post, didn't even follow your link, so I may be out on some limb I'm not even aware of here, but as of right this minute, I think this story (not this thread) is bulls**t.

Imho.

[ComerPerro]

49. Oh, come on, thats such FReeper logic

Why wouldn't Gore just run in 04??

The FReepers say the same shit about Hillary.

[KoKo]

50. "Gore Plotted"......Excuse me, here? Plotted? Conspiracy by Gore to

"Turn Dems Away" from the "Rightful Candidate?" I'm trying to swallow this down....gulp.....gulp.....Khack! (as my cats would say as in "Furball!"

WHAT are YOU SAYING HERE?????????

[KoKo]

51. Sour Grapes.......why not post this after the Gore Endorsement died down?

It seems odd right now.....I don't have anything to add, but if you repost after the Euphoria has subsided....I would think more about your post....:shrug: You may have a valid point, or not. But right now we are (some of us) really happy about Gore's endorsement. Just because it's a "vindication."

As I said,though, after all this it might be good to repost.

[Cheswick2.0]

53. stupidest articles I have read in a long time

wrong on Gore, wrong about nader... just incredibly dumb and wrong and I can't understand why anyone here would be dumb enough to beleive it.