How many Clark supporters would be unhappy with Clark as VP ...?

[kentuck]

with Dean at the top of the ticket? After all, the General does not have any political experience like the others in the campaign. He is impressive and a lot of people will support him. But how many would be disappointed with Clark as the Vice-President of the US if it means we can get rid of Dubya and his crowd? Do we let the perfect be the enemy of the good? He gets after Bush better than anyone in the race, in my opinion, and that is what you need in a vice-presidential candidate.

[Hieronymus]

1. I wouldn't be upset,

I think it would be a winning ticket.:bounce:

[grannylib]

2. as long as we redefeat Shrub and Co. (and get them OUT of the WH

instead of IN) I will be happy with any of them. Obviously my views line up with some more than with others, but hey...no law says that I have to be totally happy with the choice! I would be happier to see Clark at the top of the ticket but I think he'd be a tremendous addition and asset to anyone else if he were not the nominee himself.

[robsul82]

3. Hmm. Good question.

This'll be a thread to watch.

Later.

RJS

[Mountainman]

4. Clark is a leader not a follower and people sense that.

I doubt Clark would accept the no. 2 position. I would not want to see it. I am convinced that Dean cannot beat Bush because the tactics that were used against Gore can be used again against Dean just as effectively. I'm sorry but I see a train wreck coming if Dean is nominated.

I would not want Clark on the losing ticket.

[Bucky]

5. I'd be happy with the choice of Clark for VP, but I don't think it helps

Dean will almost certainly lose. I hate that cause I think he's a decent guy and would make a much better president than Bush. But I know my neighbors and our politics and the country's history well enough to know that Dean won't be able to win over a majority. Add to that the fact that Nader is going to run if Dean is nominated.

The only hope Dean has is if Bush continues to screw up big, bad, and consistantly that anyone could beat him.

[11cents]

6. If it's clear that Clark was really helping sink Bush

... of course I'd be happy. VP picks usually don't make that kind of difference, though. The thing about Clark as the presidential candidate is that it's a chance to bring liberalism out of the defeatist ghetto of permanent dissidence where it's been stuck since, oh, 1968 and the (understandable, under the circumstances) rejection of Hubert Humphrey. There was a time when there was no perceived gap between liberalism and just-plain-American values

[eileen_d]

7. It's hard to say

It's tough to envision Clark as second-in-command... however, I want him on the ticket, or at the very least as Sec'y of Defense, if he doesn't get the nomination.

[Toucano]

8. Maybe not HAPPY

But I could be happy. LOL:) Getting rid of Dubya is the goal.

I agree with others that Clark isn't interested in a VP slot. His primary appeal as a leader doesn't transfer to number 2. Number 2 isn't a leader position. I also wonder if Dean can pick any of the candidates. I would expect him to get someone from outside the 9-pack.

But I'd be okay with that if it happens.

[carpetbagger]

9. Clark as Gore or Clark as Bentsen?

I think the next 30 days will speak volumes about whether Dean has what it takes to win a general election or if he just has what it takes to preach to the choir. While I think Clark would help the ticket, the whole thing could turn out like 1988, when more than a few people wished that the ticket were Bentsen/Dukakis.

Dean's shown himself prone to having "Dukakis moments". Hopefully he manages to hit the stride that Dukakis hit in the last week of the campaign, and hopefully he hits it before Dukakis did.

[AnnitaR]

10. Folks, please hear me!! Clark has no desire to be VP!!!!!

Please stop posting it as a possibility! I'm sorry but these posts are getting old.

Clark will not be anyone's running mate. I hope Dean isn't banking on him to do so.

[robsul82]

12. As I remember reading somewhere...

Al Gore said in '91 AND '92 that he had no desire to be the VP nominee. Look what happens. WHEN.NOTHING.IS.CERTAIN.ANYTHING.IS.POSSIBLE.

Later.

RJS

[AnnitaR]

15. Please.

It isn't going to happen. Clark will not be anyone's running mate. I would lay money on it. What Gore thought about being VP is not the point. Gore is not Clark. You gotta remember also that Gore is a life long politician. Clark is not. That's the difference.

[HFishbine]

31. I'll take you up on that...

$10?

[Myra]

11. I want Prez Clark. But if Dean's the candidate I want Clark in the mix.

VP, Sect of Defense, or Sect of State.
And I'd love to see Kucinich in the Admin.

[Bertrand]

13. I would

If Dean wins the nomination and Clark wants to run in 2008, he should disassociate himself from the Dean organization except through formality.

[Gloria]

14. Clark has said no to a VP slot...and I take him at his word!

eom

[LiberalBushFan]

16. NOT GONNA HAPPEN

choose dean or choose clark, don't choose dean assuming he'll have clark on his ticket to balance things out, because clark really sounds like he's not considering it. That question just pisses him off.
"I cannot lead from the office of vice president, I'm running for President of the United States and that's what I need your support for!"

[pa28]

17. Dean would avoid picking Clark

A rule of consideration is not being overshadowed by your running-mate.

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[SahaleArm]

22. I thought you know little about Dean?

;) Dean is not anti-war, he's anti-iraq war and even that is tenuous at best (see Biden-Lugar).

[scotia]

18. I have been wanting a DEAN/CLARK ticket for a long time!

This is the BEST combo we have against the REPUBLICANS. The only other alternative is to have a Dean/Kuchinich ticket...and with DK having only 3% of the polls with him...Wes Clark clearly has DK outmaned and outgunned as VP. Don't forget, Dean has already asked Wes Clark to run with him. If Clark wants a piece of the white house he will have no choice but to say yes.

[TrueAmerican]

20. Well if Dean is elected

we are going to need a strong Vice President because Dean is going to need the help of a leader. I will vote for the ticket, but I am a life long Democrat. I have never voted for a republican, but it's going to take more than people like me to win the election, it's going to take some independents to vote Democratic too. I don't think Dean has that support as of now.

So I call on all Democrats, if you want victory in 2004 you need to give up this Dean fixation and vote for someone who is a leader like General Wesley Clark. It's still not too late!

[HFishbine]

34. Don't let the facts tarnish your opinion

Your assumption that Dean doesn't have the support of independents is erroneous and contradicted by the facts:

Independents give 39% of their support to Dean, with Kerry, Lieberman, and Clark in a three-way tie for 2nd at 9%.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=763

Dean is the favorite of both Democrats (27%) and Independents (21%)who intend to vote in Iowa’s primary.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=762

Your call for democrats to give up on Dean is illadvised.

[lastliberalintexas]

39. Stop that!

You wouldn't want to confuse them with facts, now would you? After all, that kind of information destroys their oh so firmly held belief that ONLY Clark can deliver us from Shrub. ;-)

[Piperay]

21. I wouldn't like it at all

I want him at the top of the ticket, not second on a losing ticket. :argh:

[mikehiggins]

23. forget this kind of talk. ain't gonna happen

Clark would never accept a VP spot and Dean would never offer one to him. The opposite might not be true, but according to the media the issue of a Clark/Dean ticket will never arise.

[Phelan]

24. It's not going to happen, 2 huge ego's...nobody wants 2nd fiddle

[union_maid]

25. Ok, but if it did happen

it would be the strongest posssible Dean/VP ticket. If they did run together, in whatever configuration, it would certainly demonstrate a commitment to ridding us of the Bushco infestation. Anyway, who knows what discussions might ensue between these camps in the coming months. I think that if Clark wasn't president he'd be most effective in State or Defense, but that wouldn't help the Democratic ticket in '04.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Just NOT a possibilty.

Clark has already said he will not be Dean's VP. He's a leader. He will be President or nothing.

[dansolo]

36. If Clark really feels that way

I understand completely that he may feel that he is the most qualified to lead. All of the cadidates do. But if his ego is so great that he would be unwilling to help if he isn't the top dog, then I have overestimated him. I admire Gen Clark immensely, and I believe this country needs a man like him. But I am not limiting myself to seeing him as either President or nothing.

[teevee]

27. clark won't be elected dean's VP cuz Dean can't get elected prez.

won't happen.

[Kahuna]

28. Hel-lo! Gore just sealed our fate. The Gore haters will..

crawl out of the woodwork to defeat us like they did in 2000.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. I agree. Dean won't win the GE. n/t

[mmonk]

29. Would prefer him secretary of state

[BootinUp]

30. Some of us think the question will be moot n/t

[Nlighten1]

33. I would LOVE to see Clark as VP

Or President...I don't care just get someone in there and get Bush out.

[Tom Rinaldo]

35. I want the best people possible running our country

That's why I want Clark as President. That is what I am focused on. I would love for both Clark and Dean to be in the next Administration. There's even room for Kerry and others. I don't participate in VP discussions about Presidential contenders. I don't talk about Dean as VP or Clark as VP, they both are aiming at the top. There's plenty of time for VP talk later. Talking about one's Presidential candidate now for a VP slot takes away from a winning focus, so much of politics is about self fullfilling expectations. No votes have been cast yet. Clark is number two in the latest national polls and his campaign is rallying. So I repeat, I would love to see both Clark and Dean in the next Democratic Administration.

[RobinA]

37. This Clark Supporter

would be unhappy with Clark as VP candidate to Dean. I think Clark is wasted as VP. I don't think Dean is electable and I think Clark as #2 does not help. I think Clark has a better chance at the top of the ticket than Dean does.

However, I will vote for whoever the candidate is, I just think it's a waste to put Clark in 2nd. It's probably moot, however, since Dean appears to be the frontrunner. If Dean gets the nom, I really don't care who the VP is, because I think no matter who, under those circumstances it's 1972.

[librechik]

38. I want him anywhere on the ticket

Or maybe Sec of State...