Question for those who do not support Dean...?

[imax2268]

Not to start any arguments...because lord knows there's to many threads here already that have mindless arguments going on already...

My question to those of you who do not support Dean is this...if Dean does win the nomination...will you put your support behind him or would you prefer another 4 years of BushCo...?

[La_Serpiente]

1. Of course I would vote for Dean

:-)

[Guaranteed]

2. They'll support Dean.

They're just angry. They'll get over it. Once the primaries are over, everyone's attention will turn to Bush.

There's a lot of rhetoric flying around right now, but, you know that when we pick a candidate, and Bush starts in with attacking him, we'll be unified once again. You can bet on that.

[eileen_d]

5. Not everyone is "just angry"

You're right that we'll unite against Bush after the primaries, but there's no need to write off people's concerns as purely emotional.

[Ardee]

41. Are you so very certain?

Main Entry: spe·cious
Pronunciation: 'spE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, visually pleasing, from Latin speciosus beautiful, plausible, from species
Date: 1513
1 obsolete : SHOWY
2 : having deceptive attraction or allure
3 : having a false look of truth or genuineness : SOPHISTIC

It is more than a bit dismissive of all the rather literate and detailed posts as to the objections to Dean's candidacy and stance as a moderate.There are many folks very concerned with the road taken by the Democratic Party these last three years, or ,more accurately, since the attacks on Clinton began around eleven years ago. To think thta, once a nominating procedure has run its course, all these concerns will somehow magically disappear is a bit too dismissive,imo.

Undoubtedly there are those who will hold their noses and vote against Bush rather than for a candidate they welcome or agree with, but it may very well be the case that ,as the democrats merge with the GOP, more and more will vote their beliefs and their consciences.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

43. I don't think anyone listens to this explanation.

I have tried as I might to explaing this in numerous threads. Never seems to take hold.

But I thank you for a well written post explaining why some may not be ecstatic about 'having' to vote for another compromiser(D) and why some may not even vote for that compromiser(D) when it is the only option to remove such evil beings as Bush.

TWL

[paulk]

87. you have nailed it

It is very likely that once again I will hold my nose and vote Dem. next Nov., even if "we" nominate another faux populist, conservative leaning centrist. But, if that comes to pass, if "our" party squanders yet another opportunity to put a true liberal in the White House, notions like "we" and "our" will disappear from my political vocabulary when it comes to the Democratic Party.

[Le Taz Hot]

70. I'm not so sure

I'm getting REALLY nervous about the horrid vitriolic attacks here on DU everytime the Dean campaign has some good news. Frankly, I think if Kucinich doesn't get the nod, a lot of Kucinich supporters will vote third party. I'm VERY concerned about Kerry and Clak supporters as well if their respective candidate doesn't get the nod.

Perhaps I'm being jaded by the hate threads/posts I've read against Dean at DU. I've always thought that it was just a few prolific Dean-hating posters but now I'm not so sure. Even DUers who don't normally post to anti-Dean threads are now spreading the "doom and gloom, we're gonna lose, Al Gore just told me how to vote" stuff. I don't know. Somebody tell me I'm wrong. Please!

[Eloriel]

92. Trust me, Taz

Many of the worst of these posts (posters) are plants, operatives, etc. Besides, DU is a VERY small "universe."

Eloriel

[eileen_d]

3. Uh... of course I would vote for Dean

If he gets the nomination I would. I'd turn my car and house into Dean billboards, I'd donate, I'd write letters to the editor, and all that.

[5thGenDemocrat]

4. For the third (or fifth) time tonight

I will vote for Dean. Four generations of ancestors guarantee it.
John
"Support" is probably too strong a word. But vote for him, yes.

[Jerseycoa]

79. For the fifthieth time

Yes.

[JohnKleeb]

6. of course I will support him

Democrat first, Kucinich supporter second. I wont vote for him because well I am still too young but if I could I would.

[mebadgett]

7. A Sad Day!!

This is truly a sad day for me!

Howard Dean has the worst case of "Foot In Mouth" disease I've ever witnessed - this is such a let down for me; and, it should be to anyone who admires Al Gore.

Dean shows signs of Foot in Mouth Disease: http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/001283.html

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Source: http://politicalhumor.miningco.com/library/images/blpic-deantruck.htm

[eileen_d]

11. Well, at least you're not being inflammatory.

:eyes:

[Jerseycoa]

80. Well, he does

But you can probably find a better source than that trash.

[Metrix]

8. no and no

If Dean wins the nomination I am positive the result will be another four years of Bush. I don't want the anti-Bush. I want a Democratic candidate with more psychological maturity than I think Dean possesses. What I would do if Dean wins the nomination is turn off the TV, stop reading DU. But I always vote Democrat.

[DemBones DemBones]

23. Agreed, except that I might very well

vote Green or not vote. (Flames will not encourage me to vote for Dean so don't waste your time.)

And I've been voting Democratic since 1968, so I don't say that lightly.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. I will support Dean with my heart and soul

and pray like hell that he really can beat * in the general election.

[TorchTheWitch]

10. geez

What a stupid question. Why the hell would a DEMOCRAT prefer another 4 years of the worst Requb administration this country has ever known?

Good grief!

[imax2268]

13. if it's such a stupid question...

then why did you bother posting...

I think flamers are abound tonight...JMHO...

[TorchTheWitch]

46. flaming?

Why would you think I was flaming? It IS a stupid question. And I'm posting a response to it BECAUSE it is a stupid question.

One more time... WHY would a DEMOCRAT prefer 4 more years of BushCo?

[eileen_d]

14. you have a point

Some people just need to be reminded that we're not at the "either/or" stage with Bush & Dean yet.

[JohnKleeb]

15. yep

Havent even had a single primary yet.

[Ardee]

42. geez back atcha

What a stupid response.perhaps you havent the ability to grasp the complexities of american politics but there are many, more and more daily, who have that ability ,are doing so and are coming up with answers that dont include democrats.

[TorchTheWitch]

54. so what you're saying is

that the loyal Democrats here that don't support Dean at this juncture (when no primary vote has yet been cast) would prefer another 4 years of BushCo?

Yep, it's still a stupid question. Not only stupid but insulting. It infers that at least some of those here that don't support Dean at this time will vote for the worst Repuke that's ever held office. Same damn thing as the insult posts that if you aren't a Dean supporter you must be a freeper, or if you question Dean's policies you must be a freeper.

So once again... WHY would a DEMOCRAT prefer 4 more years of BushCo?

[mrgorth]

56. It's not a stupid question

There are responses in this thread already stating that people won't even vote. These same people will claim WE ruined the democratic party by puttng forth an aggressive candidate. Please.

[TorchTheWitch]

72. yep, it's STILL stupid

If there were some people that don't support Dean now that said they wouldn't vote for him if he was nominated doesn't mean they would vote for BushCo or would prefer 4 more years of BushCo. Not voting doesn't mean you prefer BushCo... only voting Repuke does.

If anyone here says they'd prefer 4 more years of BushCo, what are they doing here? Why aren't they tombstoned? Why is it not OBVIOUS that no one here would prefer 4 more years of BushCo?

These same people will claim WE ruined the democratic party by puttng forth an aggressive candidate.

So? What if they do? If you think it's horseshit, why do you give a rat's ass what they think?

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Yes, go ahead and sleep easily

It's ironic that Gore is claiming that there's been too much rancor between the candidates, so he's nobly stepping forward to reward the person who started, sustained and escalated the nastiness.

I'm sure the other "cockroaches" and "Bush-lites" and "tax cutters" will suck it up and display the decency for the common good that Dr. Savior was habitually wont to grant.

No, we will rally to the cause; can you guys stop playing the victims now? It's not over yet, and for this and the endless spitting derision leveled by your candidate, there will be more fights along the way. There may be a hotly contended primary season yet; will the Deanies take this as some vicious denial of their god-given right, or will they modify their behavior?

I'm disgusted by this, as are many of us, so please tread lightly. The thing that'll incite the most outrage is the repeated bellyaching about being picked on; Dean has been the most consistently abusive of his fellow candidates from the very beginning, yet he and his followers still pick buckshot and cry foul. If they do that in the face of the ruckus to come, they'll reap a whirlwind.

Some of us have dreams and hopes too, and they are to be respected.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. Hear, hear! Very well said, POE.

I had not heard that comment of Gore's and it has destroyed what little respect I had left for him.

If Dean's the nominee, I think that Nader will run and do a lot better than he did in 2000.

[sandnsea]

32. Well said n/t

[Clark Can WIN]

53. Well said POE

Dean has alienated lots of Dems with his vitriolic and innacurate distortive attacks on other candidates. Some of them will hold their nose and vote for him anyway, some will not.

[FDRrocks]

16. Maybe,,,

[ThirdWheelLegend]

17. too black and white for me...

"will you put your support behind him or would you prefer another 4 years of BushCo...?"

I don't see it that simply.

I am still undecided in this hypothetical case.

TWL

[imax2268]

18. Well...ok...

the basic reason I asked was because after reading most of the Dean bashing threads tonight...I wondered if he did win the nomination if those people that didn't support him would just say "awww fuck it...I'm not voting then"...and just forget the whole thing...

[eileen_d]

19. Which Dean-bashing threads?

The ones where people whose first choice is not Dean expressed their honest opinions about the endorsement? Or the ones where Dean was declared the winner of the primary? ;)

[DemBones DemBones]

20. If Dean is the nominee, I think Nader will run and a lot of people

who really wanted a good Democrat to vote for will vote for Nader, instead. Or they will stay home.

I am very much afraid of another four years of Bush -- and terrified that a Dean nomination will ensure a landslide win for Bush.

[Andromeda]

31. If Nader runs..

a Bush landslide is assured.

[Ardee]

44. on what planet?

You mean just like the landslide for Bush the last time Nader ran? Can you not remember recent history or do you just post free form and only note what you have posted afterwards?

Gore beat Bush, Bush simply outswindled the Democratic Party, with, I remind you, Nader in the race. It isnt bad enough to read the continual nader bashing with its inherent untruths and denials of the rights granted in the constitution, but now we must read drivel in which Nader is ALREADY being blamed for a defeat not yet a reality. Nice thoughtful post there NOT.

[CWebster]

38. After election 2000 and 4 years of Bush?

NOT A CHANCE!

[TexasSissy]

47. I totally agree

I am one of those who shudders at the thought of another four years of Bush, who is selling our country and its resources right from under us to his corporate friends, as if it's his sandbox. BUT because of this too-early endorsement, and because of some of Dean's latest statements, I now think that Dean doesn't have the interest of the country any more in his heart than Bush does.

Does this mean I and others will vote for Bush? Does this mean we'll vote for Dean, anyway, if he wins the nomination? Does this mean we'll vote for Nader, if he runs? Maybe, to all of those scenarios.

If Dean wins the nomination, there is no way...NO WAY....this country will vote Dean in over Bush. I am from the deep south (I live in Texas now, which I consider to be the southwest, not the south), and I can assure you.....the deep south will NEVER vote for Dean against Bush.

This early endorsement for Dean will split a party that is already in trouble, and will assure another four years of Bush. The majority of Independents and centrist Democrats will NOT vote for Dean in the presidential election. As a centrist Democrat (except in environmental issues, for which I lean left, I suppose), I just don't know at this point what I will do. I will still vote for Clark as the Dem. nominee, however. Then we'll see what happens.

[NicRic]

48. Agree ,with your fear !

I think you hit the nail on the head ! The Dems seem to keep making the wrong chioces ! Perhaps they have already conceeded to the fact that they cant beat bush in 04 ! With the huge amount of $ and control over the media , beating bush in 04 will not be easy ,even with the best of the best running against him .Dean is not the best of the best, the repugs will capitilize on Deans lack of exprience , and put this fear in the voters ,that we need to keep the current white house till Iraq is stabilized yadayada ! If the Dems would have all united behind a second Gore run very early ,we would be in a much better place .Instead our party is more devided then ever and about to relive the election of bush 1 !!!!

[HFishbine]

51. Voters Disagree

The surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire show that Dean supporters there do not harbor doubts about former governor's ability to defeat Bush. Rather, it is emerging as a strong suit. Roughly a third of likely voters in Iowa and New Hampshire say Dean has the best chance of beating Bush next November, far more than say that about any other Democrat. In addition, Dean tends to run stronger among those who place a greater priority on defeating Bush than on nominating a candidate who agrees with them on the issues.


http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=198

[dsc]

88. Nader will run if Jesus is our nominee

and you are a fool if you think anything else.

[GalleryGod]

29. Here's the Title of My Lecture Today: Dean's Pyretic Victory?

Not Over for the 45 Students whom I'll be grading their New Hampshire Primary Experiences (50 page Term paper form).

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge,
GG

[theboss]

90. What is Pyretic?

Do you mean "Pyrrhic?"

[TorchTheWitch]

76. if that was the reason you asked

why didn't you say that? Not voting doesn't mean you prefer 4 more years of BushCo. It's ridiculous to imagine that anyone in this forum would actually PREFER 4 more years of BushCo.

[Leilla]

21. Presidential Placebos

snip......

For centrist right candidates like Clark or Dean, mobilizing a largely sequestered electorate to defoliate the nation of Bush will be a relatively easy task.  Even die-hard Republicans can no longer pretend that their Emperor is dressed in anything other than the flight-suits of his own fancy as US Black Hawks continue to rain down on a cheering Iraq.  No doubt, progressive candidates like Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton will have a harder time convincing voters that a return to Business-and-Empire-as-usual will only seal the doom in progress that is America's fate as a self-immolating superpower.  While Bush and his neo-con cohorts continue pouring gasoline over themselves, candidates like Dean and Clark can now safely posture themselves as 'progressives' - that is, until they're actually elected.  By then, the only thing that will be going up in flames is the idea of progressive policy-making from either of them.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Matsui_Presidential-Placebos.htm

*By all means, vote for Dean. Just don't congratulate yourself on making a progressive choice.

[DemBones DemBones]

24. Thanks for the link, Leilla,

and welcome to DU! :hi:

[roguevalley]

25. that is a no brainer. ABB

[RamseyClark23]

26. liberman or edwards

for me

[Piperay]

27. Well

of course I will support the nominee, no matter who it is.:eyes: I don't "prefer another 4 years of BushCo" but that doesn't mean that I will support anyone but my own first choice UNTIL the nomination is official.

[GalleryGod]

28. Because I'm A Loyal Democrat..

He's Got My Vote.
-30-
EOM:nopity:

[Trahurn]

30. When all is said and done

It's always like this at this point in an election cycle. At some point someone will have to emerge as the democratic nominee for president. It is very different this cycle however.There is so much emotion here and so many hopes riding so high. At no other time in our history has it been so urgent for the saftey, the future and very essence of this county to get a sitting president out of office. While no opposing party wants an incombant to win a second term in office this is different. The mere thought of Bush being in and soiling that office for another 4 years is absolutely unthinkable. Not just disappointing but nightmarish. Four more years of Bush would clearly be 4 more years of not a presiential administration but executive terrorism. Feelings as I said are running high and each candidate wants and feels deserving of the nomination. But no matter what the level of tension, everyone knows there can only be "one" when the time comes. When the time comes all democrats will know that if we are to eject Bush there will soon be a time of absolute unity behind the party's nomination. When the time comes, the appropriate support will be there as the alternative will not allow it not to be.

[mikehiggins]

33. I will support the Democratic nominee

I do not beleive that Howard Dean can defeat George Bush.

Almost all Clark supporters would be perfectly happy with Doc Dean except for that one, overriding concern.

We really do have to step outside of the box to have a chance to unseat the Pretender, and every day, in every way, Doc Dean shows he is simply a slicker version of the same old product.

Gore managed to lose an election that even a dead man should have been able to win. His endorsement would not set my heart aflutter.

[Iverson]

34. depends upon whom the Greens nominate

I can't possibly answer with certainty until I know what all my choices are.

In no way would I prefer another four years of the current fraud. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that I accept your premise, a false dichotomy. You may have noticed Clark supporters making the same argument as you have.

[MercutioATC]

35. I have a question...

Honestly not an attack, just a question.

You say "In no way would I prefer another four years of the current fraud.", yet you imply that you might vote Green depending on who they nominate. I think it would be geat if a third-party candidate had a shot every once in a while, but it never seems to happen. Are you suggesting that a Green candidate could beat Bush in 2004?

[Iverson]

36. not a problem

Believe me, after a few thousand times it gets easy to differentiate between a question and an attack.

No, I am not suggesting that the Green nominee has a realistic chance of winning the presidential election. That would be goofy.

Cheers.

[CWebster]

37. thus far

Republican attacks against Dean have not been so pointed and bitter...

All along we have been pleading for leadership, and lamenting about the lack of it---and here we have this campaign rising with such determination, such drive and energy - arising the sleeping giant in this country, and what do we hear? Petty sulkiness.

It is the campaign, stupid.

[bread_and_roses]

71. It may be about the campaign for you

but for the people of this country it will be about the policies of the next President. And if that is Dean, I do not see any evidence that he understands or cares about the third world battle zone conditions of our inner cities, the increasing poverty of the lowest wage earners, the continuing official violence against people of color, or any of the other issues that matter to them.

[Ksec]

39. Will you accept Clark when he wins?

If Dean wins and loses the Presidency to Bush will all the Dean people apologize?

[Rowdyboy]

40. Of course I would support Dean....

I would do it in the full expectation of a repeat of Mondale in 1984 and McGovern in 1972, however, thats what real Democrats do-support the party's nominee. Deans a good guy and was a great governor. However, he's the easiest of the bunch for Rove to turn into a drooling, 3-eyed monster; but if he's who a majority of my fellow Democrats choose to nominate, he has my vote.

[TexasSissy]

45. I WAS, before the "endorsement"

I early on toyed with the idea of supporting Dean, but then went with Clark. I was prepared to vote for any non-Bush Dem. nominee, however.

Since this early endorsement, which will do little more than split a party that is already in trouble with its base, however, I do not know if I will vote for Dean. I am now convinced that neither Gore nor Dean has the best interest of the country or the Democratic party in his heart.

Watch. You'll see. This endorsement, which Gore and Dean think will rally Dems. & Independents behind one candidate, will divide the party and alienate some Independents. The endorsement was too early. This all but assures Bush of a big win, whether I choose to vote for Dean or not.

Additionally, the southern states simply will not vote for Dean against Bush. Which is a second reason that if Dean wins the nomination, it all but assures Bush of a big win. Not just a win. A BIG win.

[NicRic]

50. Bush acted like he had a mandate.......

even though he recieved less of the popular vote then Gore ! Imagine how he will act ,when he does win in a landslide, and can claim with a straight face that he has a mandate ! I dont know fellow Dems ,Iam more discouraged then ever ,and cant understand why our party keeps making all the wrong choices ?

[Clark Can WIN]

49. If Dean gets the nom we WILL HAVE 4 MORE YEARS OF BUSH

And I what I do won't matter a bit. He's a republican landslide waiting to happen. With coattails even.

[CWebster]

52. WHO NEEDS REPUBLICANS to tell us

our candidates can't win when "Democrats" are more than willing to do the dirty work?

It wouldn't surpise me in the least should it be revealed that DU has been infiltrated by right-wing psych-ops operatives. Not in the least.

[Clark Can WIN]

57. So now I'm a right wing psych operative?

Think I'll put that in my sig line. Thanks.

Sorry if I won't drink the Dean kool-aid and bow at his altar or kiss his feet. I see him setting the party BACK. That's why I don't like him. I don't want to LOSE.

Clark is not the only candidate I like and would be HAPPY to work for. I would also be happy to work for Edwards, Kerry or Gep, in that order. The others (with all due respect) have little chance but I'd be happy with either CMB or Al too.

So Deaniacs that have a "you're either with us or against us" facist additude can take it and store it someplace dark, internal and below the belt. Not a single primary vote has been cast yet.


edit for sp

[CWebster]

63. Where is the difference?

because I don't wear as my identity "Dean Can WIN" while constantly dissing Clark's ability to win.

[bread_and_roses]

55. I am in safe NY

so will have the luxury of voting Green should there be a Green candidate. I am also Working Families Party, and we are sure as hell not going to be endorsing Bush. I will work for the local and state candidates we endorse; I will not work for Dean because I cannot honestly go to the voters we engage and tell them that Dean will make one bit of difference in their lives or economic circumstances.

I agree with Presidential Placebos:
"...candidates like Dean and Clark can now safely posture themselves as 'progressives' - that is, until they're actually elected. By then, the only thing that will be going up in flames is the idea of progressive policy-making from either of them.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Matsui_Presidential-Placebos.htm

*By all means, vote for Dean. Just don't congratulate yourself on making a progressive choice."

I firmly believe that the inability of mainstream Democrats to support or articulate genuine progressive values is contributing to the destruction of our civil liberties and our democracy and is promoting the continuing transfer of wealth to the super-rich. Dean is part of that trend.

[Loonman]

58. I would support Dean by default

Yep.

[reachout]

59. Yes

I am a Kucinich supporter and will vote for him in the primary if he has not withdrawn by February. After all, look at what state I'm in and ask youself who will win it.

I will vote for Dean if he wins the nomination, and I could not say that for every candidate in the field. I will however not be out pounding the pavement for him.

[LTR]

60. ABB is my first choice

Second is Clark.

But I'll vote for any of the Dems, hands down.

No more BushCO!!!

[buddhamama]

61. i don't currently support Dean

but i'd vote for him in the general election.

i am keeping my fingers crossed for Democraticly controlled Houses.

i am a bit uneasy of having Dean the Moderate in charge of the WH and Republicans in charge of the Congress and Senate.

He is better than Bush though, no doubts about that!

[jpgpenn]

62. I may not vote!

There would be no way i'de ever vote for Bush. I'm thinking there is a very good chance I wouldn't vote for Dean either.

I have a serious problem with what I seen happen this campaign season. The over the top media blackballing of other candidates, in particular Clark and the Rove, GOP scamming of the election process. I'm speaking about the known facts of republicans pouring money into Dean's campaign and pumping him up. Over the last few weeks there have been enough articles and blog write up to support what i'm talking about so I wont go into it any further.What gets me are the supporters of Dean doing everything they can to say none of this is happening, it's all sour grapes. This isn't sour grapes, this is a direct assault on our democracy.

Without 1 vote being cast a minority of people are trying to steer this election to where they want it, away from the majority of the american people. This goes directly against what we are supposed to be about. For those of you that find it great because it working out well for your candidate, keep something in mind, this is very similar to what Bush did gain office.

You have to ask yourselves how Dean, will be able to take any southern states. You have to ask yourself, how is Dean going to explain to the majority of America he has experience in world issues and straightening out our military battles just to name a few top concerns.

I'm a life long Democrat and proud of it. I am not proud of what I see going on here at this time. I feel like my rights as a voter are being violated by this manipulation of our process.

[HFishbine]

65. "The known facts?"

"...the known facts of republicans pouring money into Dean's campaign and pumping him up."

And you have a source for this, no doubt.

[jpgpenn]

68. yes

Here is an article from a fellow DU member. Perhaps you can address him also.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=850735&mesg_id=850735


Since I have no search function here at DU and the fact i'm not 1 to save articles I "wont" provide you with info i'm sure you have already read. I'm also sure there are many many people here that know what i'm talking about.

[HFishbine]

81. Ah, that "proof"

You link to a post from a single individual who provides an anecdote about him thinking that he overheard some of his conservative relatives talking about giving to Dean. Aside from the fact that such an anecdote could just as easily justify the opinion that Dean has appeal to "cross-over" voters who are unhappy with Bush, it is far from an authoritative source.

Also interesting is that the original poster was challenged to use the internet to see if any of his relatives have indeed made a contribution to Dean. Whether that challenge was undertaken or not isn't clear. What is clear is that there were no subsequent posts that confirmed public records showed any contributions to Dean.

[jpgpenn]

89. ok

Apparently you are reading what you want to read again. You failed to mention that I "wont" post anymore info dealing with this. I'm not here to change the opinions of those that support Dean.

I am here to make a comment based on what the original post asked. I wont vote for Dean for the sake of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. The way this process is being run goes against everything democracy stands for. If this is what others chose, then so be it. They will have to live with that decsion. I will live knowing I didn't contribute to the further degrading of our democratic process.

Trying to make a right from a wrong never works.

[HFishbine]

91. And

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out the falacies in your arguments and how disengenuous your position is.

[curse10]

64. It doesn't matter

because either way we'll have another 4 years of buscho, imho.

[mmonk]

66. Of course I would support him

but my worries would persist. I follow recent history. I believe the last non southern Dem to take the White House was over 40 years ago.

[LoneStarLiberal]

67. No Doubt.

I hate to think what the race will be like without Clark, but I'll vote for and give money to whomever is our party's nominee.

I'd give more to Clark, but even though I won't give as much to another candidate, I will expand my giving to also give to Senate races that in contention, so the party will benefit either way.

[TexasPatriot]

69. i'll vote for him

but i know of 4 or 5 independent friends and relatives that wont. maybe they wont vote, maybe they'll vote pub... i can try to persuade them but i wouldnt bet the farm. ABB is the mantra - and i will do my best.

[theboss]

73. Stop asking this. . .

I've been asked one hundred times.

This is a site for Democrats. 99 percent of us would vote for any Democrat against a Republican. I doubt anyone here will vote for Bush.

Yes, I will vote for any Democrat not named LaRouche.

Doesn't mean I will like it.

[bookman]

74. Of course I'll support him.

I like Howard Dean. I think Clark might provide more trouble for Bush/Rove. But I'll accept the results of the primaries.

I think Howard will need some work. He needs an image that the American people will like. I'd suggest a Trumanesque "Give Them Hell, Howard."

I also think besides getting on Bush's case he needs a positive message in front.

[LWolf]

75. I would support

my dead cat over GWB. The democrat will get my vote.

I don't like Dean. I don't want to vote for him.

If the democrats nominate a candidate I don't like or trust, my vote in '04 will not be "for" that candidate. It will be "against" George W. Bush.

[smirkymonkey]

77. I would support him, but I just

have a feeling that things won't change significantly once he is in office. I don't completely trust him to pursue a liberal agenda.

The only campaign I would actually work on would be Kerry's. He is the only one with a consistent liberal voting record (don't bring up war vote - there is another post on this and as far as I am concerned, his reasoning on this is forgivable.)

Also, he is the only candidate who has enough clout in DC and elsewhere to actully effect change and undo some of the damage caused by the bush administration.

[veganwitch]

78. loaded question

i admit that ive skipped over the most of the other posts but if you want honest, non-hostile answers, dont push-poll.

[really-looney]

82. Finally an easy question

I love it when all you smart people here at DU finally ask a question I am smart enough to answer.

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I would even vote for Holy Joe and would be happy to do so if he won the primary. I hope he does not, but I would vote for him.

[Tom Rinaldo]

83. In all fairness it is a two way question.

Yes I will throw my support fully behind Dean if he wins the nomination. I have repeatedly posted exactly that to thread questions like this. I suppose you feel the same about the eventual nominee. I support Clark, strongly. It has been more than frustrating however to constantly field attacks at Clark, coming from some who say they support Dean, that more than imply they would NOT support Clark under any circumstances. I saw another thread started by a Dean supporter yesterday saying, in effect "now is the time to stop attacking other candidates, we need their supporters for the general election." The best way to ensure eventual support from supporters of other candidates is to conduct yourself honorably during discussions about all of the candidates. On the other hand, pushing directly or indirectly the theme; what will you guys do now that Dean is going to win the nomination, could create a backlash for ya.

No votes have been cast. If you want to push unity, I suggest that you push unity regarding all the candidates, not just unity around Dean.

[BootinUp]

86. words of wisdom (n/t)

[AP]

84. I would be so disappointed in the democractic party if Dean gets nominated

I can understand running a moderate Dem in 2000. But, in 2004, when we're on the verge of fascism, when everyone knows how bad Bush is, I can't believe that we couldn't nominate someone like Kerry, with a long history of being on the good side of the fight, or Gephardt, who clearly cares about labor, or Edwards who is the dream candidate who cares about every single issue DU'ers cared deeply about two years ago before we knew the idenities of any candidated, or Kucinich, or Clark who is a clear winner.

I would be disappointed that in a time when not only do we need a real democrat comitted to democatic principles, but when we had an opportunity to do that, instead, we nominated a Wall St-friendly, anti-progressive tax, deregulting, privatizing, pro-NRA, rich kid with a miserable biography.

I'm wouldn't not vote, and I wouldn't vote Green, because I know those are the two things the Republicans would want most. But I also know they want the dem party to be coopted by milquetoasty Republican-friendly Dems like Dean and Gore, so I'd be going Green the very next day.

[Butterflies]

85. Of course

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