Dr. Dean, please unseal your records

[jumptheshadow]

Show us that, in the era of the Patriot Act and secret defendants held without lawyers, if you are nominated, you would stand for sunshine in government.

Show us that you aren't Bush Lite and that you won't gird yourself in arrogant secretiveness and executive privilege if you win the presidency.

Show us, that, unlike Bush, you will take responsibility for your actions.

Show us, the voters, who we are getting if we nominate you.

If -- and it's a big "if" -- you win the nomination show us that there are no nasty surprises in store for us that will sink our party and our nation further into the abyss.

Don't hide behind a judge's cloak.

Signed,

One of "The People"
Via the Internet, "your" Medium

[gristy]

1. I vote we let this flamebait sink...

[jumptheshadow]

3. Flamebait?

You consider accountability in government flamebait?

I am very discouraged.

On edit:

You aren't in favor of sunshine in government in the era of the Patriot Act?

Even more discouraging.

This is an incredibly important issue.

[polpilot]

40. Dean's campaign is running fine and needs no 'tweaking' & will unlikely

seek 'advice and consent' on the STRATEGY to 'seal the records'. Nothing in the records, good or bad, will HELP the #'s but WILL supply ammo for endless debates about what it 'meant' what Dean said, signed, sat by, read, discussed, ribbon cuttings, etc. etc. It's called POLITICS and Dean/Trippi are the reigning masters.

Dean '04...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

13. I vote we do not.

Why hide anything?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. Me neither.

I vote you go here and tell me how I can view Kerry's records.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=96196&mesg_id=96196

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. Not to mention, he IS releasing them.

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/12/07/dean_records/index.html

[lindashaw]

2. I'm all for disclosure, too, but I believe that Dean has a lot of sensitiv

information between doctor and patient that should remain sealed. If you had AIDS, for instance, I'm sure you wouldn't want that information published for national consumption. So, we must be careful about what we ask for.

[jumptheshadow]

4. AIDS information

I worked for four years with AIDS organizations.

There should be laws protecting HIV and AIDS patients. I hope that Dr. Dean made sure that Vermont had those laws.

[dsc]

45. There are no laws,

nor can their be, to prevent disclosure of the AIDS status of those who tell politicians they have it. Unless the stuff itself is sealed no one would agree to such an exemption.

[teevee]

and then

ask bush to do the same:)

[jumptheshadow]

6. Yes, that's just what he should do

Instead of following in Bush's footsteps he should show some leadership and have the backbone to support open government.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. My opinion is..

he's hiding something other than correspondence with AIDS patients. Otherwise, he would have sealed ONLY those letters and left the rest open to scrutiny. JMCPO

[Cooley Hurd]

16. Many governors seal their records when leaving office...

..his actions weren't unusual nor does it indicate he's "hiding" anything. AS far as unsealing his records now, he's indicated he's willing to do so (more so than Bush is w/ his gubernatorial papers, despite what his archivist has said).

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

8. Ahhh...

I see you added that in the nick of time.

Doesn't it make you just a little uncomfortable to be supporting repuke talking points?

[jumptheshadow]

10. Republican talking points?

We, the Democrats, have been asking Bush to unseal his records for years.

We, the Democrats, have been asking for more accountability from the Bush administration.

Now we're going to act just like them?

[teevee]

5. then let him sort out what is sensitive to AIDS cases

I see this same example for sealing the records from everyone from the Gov. himself to the grassroots supporters. You'd think every issue in those files is related to AIDS.

let's see what he's got in there.

why can't he show?
is he hiding something?

[blm]

20. So someone from Entergy/Koch Industry has AIDS and Dean is protecting them

or Dean is protecting himself from his years of pushing for energy deregulation, his six year push for Yucca Mt. to store nuclear waste and the selling off of Vermont Yankee to Bush buddies, the Koch brothers?

Dean is Cheney-lite.

[Don_G]

9. Only If Dimbo Does

Otherwie Dean is playing into the hands of the Rethugs.

As it is now, anyone can request information from Dimbo's library AFTER the head libriarian has 10 days to look at the request and AFTER the Texas A-G reviews the request in a 45 day time frame.

[jumptheshadow]

12. But what is the problem?

Howard Dean is running on his gubernatorial record.

Why can't we see the papers that show what that record is?

He's a good man and the records should support his drive to the nomination.

[Hep]

15. Can you say "slippery slope"?

Dean has a right to seal them. People still don't get how silly the "if you have nothing to hide" argument is.

[denverbill]

41. It's nice of you to fight so hard for the Republican Party.

I sure hope you feel the same passion towards former Gov Bush opening his gubernatorial records, which remain sealed to this day. I sure as hell haven't seen you mention those.

[seaglass]

11. Just what I want , a candidate who uses Bush's actions

as a model for his own.

on edit: just to be clear, I'm being sarcastic.

[Hep]

14. Commence Dean Sealed Records Thread #262

Did you or did you not see Dean's comments yesterday regarding this?

[Padraig18]

17. Are you sure it's not thread #263?

I've lost count... :eyes:

[jumptheshadow]

19. In all fairness

I am a Clark supporter who has called the General to task on several occasions for his stand on the flag amendment.

Like that one, this issue is something that needs to be addressed. Al Gore, a good man, has taken a very strong stand on civil liberties. Will he talk to Dr. Dean about the implications the candidate's secretiveness have during the era of the Patriot Act and the erosion of civil liberties?

[Hep]

21. Sounds like an argument against privacy

Hmmmm.

[Padraig18]

26. Dean is VERY clear on the why and how of his sealing/unsealing.

This topic has been beaten to DEATH, and it serves NO purpose to resurrect it on a daily basis---none whatsoever! :grr:

[HFishbine]

18. Dean supporter here

who agrees. And I'm hopeful that Dean will eventually capitulate. For now, I don't mind that he is using the issue for some political traction against Bush.

[blm]

22. And Dems are supposed to wait till it's too late?

Just as it will be too late to acknowledge that Dean has a problem with his record of lies and inconsistencies until Rove has them airing 40 times a day every day for months. Too effing late.

[jumptheshadow]

23. Thank you

That was a reasonable post and I respect you for it.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

24. Good for you. Maybe the blog can have a poll

since Dean likes to do whatever his supporters tell him to.

[Hep]

27. Maybe he can.

But he's already spoken on the issue. You didn't hear his words yesterday?

[HFishbine]

35. Hep

Bring us up to speed.

[Hep]

39. I started a thread

It was actually from Sunday, but reported yesterday.

Dean's going to let a judge decide what should be released and what shouldn't. It has to do with the judicial watch lawsuit.

I think he made the right move.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/07/elec04.prez.dean.records.ap/

[TrueAmerican]

25. Looks like it is not going to happen

Dean must have something real awful in his records he is hiding. Since he has been selected let's leave this alone. It will just ruin our chances in 2004 if we help the right find out the record Howard Dean does not want us to know. Let's just hope a republican operative doesn't start leaking the information to the press. Then Dean and we our Done.

How about this slogan...

Dean 2004, Don't Ask, Don't Tell

[Hep]

28. Looks like?

Based on what exactly?

[TrueAmerican]

29. Based on it

looks like Howard Dean has something in his record he does not want us to know about. I thought that was a given.

[Hep]

34. You thought

I wonder...

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/07/elec04.prez.dean.records.ap/

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

31. Did somebody say sealed records?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=96196&mesg_id=96196

[Romberry]

32. Geez! I guess youi missed it

Dean isn't even going to hire a lawyer to defend the Judicial Watch lawsuit. He's leaving it up to the Vermont Attorney General and the Judge to review the records and decide what should be kept private and what should be released. Nice push of the RNC talking points though!

[Starpass]

33. hmm-the 'impression' or the 'act' (aim gun, blow off foot)

I am a Clark supporter but I know if we get wrapped up in a lot of this, we will be doing the repukes work for them without them ever having to show their fangs in public. I know it puts doubts in people's minds but all these boys have dirty little secrets---let's not unearth them for Rove. That said, unfortunately theres another problem here. As a poster months ago said: Since republicans were the recepients of the deals that Howard has sealed in his papers, you can bet they are talking to Rove. Thus, if Dean is nominated, your curiosity will soon be fed in that they will tell us and the nation all about it..in detail. But then again, Rove and company have revelations just ready to market on all our candidates........this we cannot avoid.

[mrgorth]

37. Please don't

until ALL of Bushes are completely open. I'm tired of being the nice guy party. The "we'll trust you not to hurt us" party. Screw it. If the records are that big of a deal to you vote for Clark instead. If they remain a big deal vote for Bush. I spent a week with a republican family in VT this summer and they had nothing bad to say about him. They prefer moderate 'thugs but had no big issues with Dean. No more laying down.

[Patriot_Spear]

38. Lunacy...

That's all I have to say.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

42. And that's the view of camp Dean from outside

if you want a different perspective.

[Hep]

43. Yeah, we know how much respect YOU have for us

repeat it as often as you like. It doesn't make US look bad.

[Patriot_Spear]

44. Be real- it's YOUR view, that's all.

Stop trying to paint everyone with the same brush.