You Know the Division We Feel Here at DU is Only Temporary, Right?

[Guaranteed]

Let's call this a "feel-good" thread.

Look, all this sniping, griping, smearing, etc. is just a product of the primaries. This is par for the course. Things will get sorted out. You remember how united we were before the war? Once the nominee is chosen, which WILL happen, eventually, Rove will start attacking, and I guarantee you the support for our candidate will galvanize like nothing you've EVER seen before. We will be a lean, mean, Bush-bashing machine, whoever our nominee may be.

Don't worry folks. It's just growing pains. After we get through this, we'll be stronger than we've ever been.

We all still love each other. We're a family. :grouphug:

[joeybee12]

1. Yeah, pretty soon we'll be focusing on the common enemy once again

Those indeed will be Happy Days!

[JohnKleeb]

2. good thread

All will be good yes,

[mmonk]

3. lets hope

I look forward to the day when Clark isn't called a republican or neocon (that may only happen if he fails and is out of the race though).

[Guaranteed]

6. We'll look back on those things and laugh...

especially when we've thrown Bush out of the White House. ;)

[Bluzmann57]

4. Well said

but some families are a bit different than others. But I honestly believe that once the dust settles, the Democratic party will unite behind the nominee and focus in on ousting the current administration and winning congress. It is an absolute must that we do this. on edit-I gotta learn how to type better

[HuckleB]

5. Yep.

I still wish we could show the world how to debate constructively. A man must have a dream, I suppose.

[Patriot_Spear]

7. too true n/t

[Zolok]

8. Don't bet on it...

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[Guaranteed]

11. Nah...

Rove will make sure of it. It'll be his attacks that bring us back together. No matter who's up there, when Rove starts calling him "soft on national defense" or "unpatriotic" or whatever, we'll all be back on the same page.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

9. It cannot happen soon enough.

Personally, I cannot shake the sense that there are those on this forum who are less-than-honest, regarding who they are and what their motivations might be, regarding this primary.

Things are not always what they seem.

[blm]

10. I'll be cringing every time a lie and inconsistency is shown in an ad.

I'll be mad at all those who allowed the candidate who bears up the worst under close scrutiny to represent the entire Dem party. Because the truth is those people and their casual regard for truth and arrogant short-sightedness will DESERVE the blame.

[Guaranteed]

13. You'll forget about it soon enough after

the real fighting starts.

[blm]

25. Wrong. The REAL fighting will be over Dean's deceptions.

The naivete is astounding here. Do you think the corporate media is fair and balanced or something? Do Dems control the storlyline of the corporate media more than BushInc. does?

What SHOULD have been a fight over Bush's lies and inconsistencies, and his lack of national security experience, and his draft dodging and his secret papers and energy dealings, will now become the story against Dean. Thanks to shortsightedness by a minority of Dems now who DON'T SEE IT.

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. I think the anger shown sometimes is what is astounding here.

The only candidate I would completely agree with is myself, and I'm not running. If I were, there would be things I wouldn't necessarily reveal about myself. I am not going to rage against any of the candidates...it's not productive.

[blm]

32. It's no about AGREEING with.

It's about the LIES and the INCONSISTENCIES and the SECRECY excused by so many here now that will BECOME the storyline for the general election. It's as if the lack of deeper scrutiny of Dean during the primary lulled you all into thinking Dean could overcome all during the general.

Dems can't AFFORD to be represented in the general by someone whose record and rhetoric don't match.

[ScreamingMeemie]

34. No, I think it's plain hate, and anger. That's it.

I am truly sorry, but I see it no other way than people upset because their candidate isn't in the spotlight. It's a travesty, one that I won't participate in. I'll be happy for any positive thing that sends any of the candidates a step further to the White House. This is just unproductive. Very much so.

[blm]

37. Except for one important fact.

There are a few of us who noted the deceit and the discrepancies back at the beginning of this year and have stated so consistently. Hate and anger or jealousy had nothing to do with it then when Dean was polling at the bottom and nothing to do with it now while he's polling at the top. Some may be angry and jealous but for others with more consistent records, we don't deserve to be labeled in that same way.

[ScreamingMeemie]

40. Unfortunately, one could say there are discrepancies in all the

candidates' backgrounds...which there are. I choose not to get angry over it. They have all been less than truthful in my opinion. No one gets a gold star. Truly all are angry for no good reason, IMHO sorry. :hi:

Have a great day blm.

[Guaranteed]

31. You know that we really haven't seen anything

yet, right?

This stuff is SO tame in comparison to what's going to happen between our nominee and Bush. It's gonna be on a megaton scale. They are going to rip each other to shreds- and it's not going to be any of this "you flip-flopped on such an such an issue" stuff. It's gonna be the "you're not even a real American," and "you're a fucking idiot" stuff.

[blm]

33. No kidding. I'm not the one who's pretending Dean is honest

and everything he claims to be now. The fight is going to be fierce and you want a standard bearer who doesn't bear up to the grueling scrutiny. You think he's going to be treated like Bush during the general just because he got treated like Bush during the primary? They are just starting on Dean.

[Guaranteed]

35. I shouldn't be responding

to your posts, but....what do you think Bush is going to say about Dean? I'm assuming you think he'll address the taxes issue. Do you think he's going to call Dean a liar, and say that he's not really going to rescind the tax cuts, because he cut taxes before? Wouldn't that be counterproductive for Bush?

[blm]

38. Dean didn't cut those taxes. He allowed the taxcuts of the previous GOP

governor who died to proceed after he took office. So, technically, Dean didn't do the lion share of taxcutting that he claims today.

And you know the inconsistencies in dean's record and rhetoric. He will be painted as unprincipled for crafting new positions during an election year. YOU are comfortable with excusing those points. I foresee how they will be used by the GOP. Shouldn't we KNOW what to expect by now? Why choose the one who holds up most poorly to greater scrutiny?

[Donna Zen]

43. Wrong

Why should I appreciate having a Democrat steal my vote from me anymore than I would appreciate a Republican?

This is the sickest thing that has ever happened in this Democracy.

Howard Dean is no friend of mine.

[Guaranteed]

45. Not sure that I understand ya.

Steal your vote from you? What, like BBV or something?

On edit: Yeah, don't know if it'll answer you, but see post #39.

[polpilot]

19. Stock up on popcorn and watch the show....been good so far!!!!

All the 'wah wah' will disappear when Dean unleahes full on Bush. His controlled, pacifist personality will torque when he's assured of the nom...then it's rocket time!!!!!!!


Dean '04...

[unfrigginreal]

21. That's the spirit

Enthusiasm for the party as long as they do it your way. RAH, Rah, rah

[blm]

30. Wrong. I'd be fine with ANY Dem who can stand the scrutiny

and I have long noted that Dean's record doesn't match his current rhetoric. YOU don't care. I do and there are many like me who will be cringing when his deceptive rhetoric and inconsistencies are replayed over and over again. It's called REALISM.

Unless, of course, there have been drastic changes in the media ownership since yesterday that I haven't heard about.

[lewiston]

12. The way we eat our own..

there won't be any group left to hug.

[Guaranteed]

15. But, hey, this should tell Bush something.

If we're this nasty to our friends, just imagine what we're going to do to HIM.

[lewiston]

23. lol

n/t

[enki23]

26. there is no "our own."

the only thing most all of us have in common is aversion to republicans in general, and bush in particular.

i do not consider jackasses to be "my own" simply because they call themselves democrats, and i don't (any longer?) expect people who think i'm a jackass to make nicey nice with me simply because i agree with them about raising the minimum wage.

[Guaranteed]

28. Exactly.

When we see this monster come out of its cave, circa April 2004, that common aversion to Republicans is going to bring us all together.

[IrateCitizen]

14. Thank God! Then we can get back to the Dem v. Green flamefests!

I really miss those! :eyes:

Trust someone who knows -- as soon as one schism is gotten rid of, others will emerge.

[Guaranteed]

17. Yeah, that one's tough to get rid of.

Let's just not mention the word "Nader." :)

[mrgorth]

16. I hope you're right

seems to me that, maybe, the rise of the internet is making this process worse. Now, instead of talking to other people about candidates face to face we get on here and flame each other with no fear of retribution. I think some people who, in past elections, may have come around for Dean, Clark or whoever, won't just out of spite.

[Old and In the Way]

18. The general election can't happen soon enough.

nt

[helleborient]

20. Thank you for the thread!

I really appreciate it!

[madfloridian]

22. I doubt it.

It has gotten to the point where even Gore is hated now. It is not even rational. The blogs are feeding on the frenzy, the blogs of the Democrats, that is.

I think we probably deserve to lose as a party if we turn against Gore as well.

I think there are many here that will never vote for Dean, their hatred is complete.

It has been fed on all the democratic forums, this hatred. I said a couple of months ago that sometimes anger and hatred went too far, and I was laughed at and called names. I think we are there now.

[mrgorth]

24. agreed

the very nature of the web is fueling it.

[Guaranteed]

27. Yeah, but

remember what Karl Rove does to us? The hate for him, once this fight really starts, is going to drown out any and all of this nonsense. This will all be distant history in a matter of four months.

It's how we came together in the first place. Bush, inadvertantly, but truely, formed the cohesive 1/3 of the country that is firmly anti-war. He and Rove will do it again, I promise.

[madfloridian]

36. Go read the other blogs, then tell me that.

Many are vowing to never vote Democrat again. It is scaring me. No endorsement, meant to stop the divisiveness, is worth this.

[Guaranteed]

39. It's alright...

Just small numbers of folks, venting. And they'll snap out of it when they get a taste of Rove. They'll be running for the shelter of the Dem nominee, guaranteed, lest they get caught out in the open, alone.

This is going to be bloody. *People aren't going to be able to afford this kind of choosiness, come April.* Things are only going to get worse, and, the worse they get, the closer we'll all be.

[janx]

41. The Republicans are FEEDING off of it. All of the

usual suspect, slimey RW pundits are jabbering about this "division" in the Democratic party...and the Dems swallow it without asking questions.

[Cocoa]

42. but only because of DU rules

without the rules, the chosen candidate would be thrashed mercilessly, probably from the left.

[unfrigginreal]

44. "thrashed mercilessly, probably from the left"

Oh please! So that's where all of the Dean thrashing is coming from?
:eyes:

[Cocoa]

46. not now

regarding Dean, they're holding their fire, his antiwar stance for example is being accepted. But if he gets the nomination, his endorsement of Biden-Lugar will suddenly be noticed by some as proof he's just as much a hawk as anyone.

Plus, what about the gun issue, that's another one that will suddenly become a huge deal to some people, never mind that hardly anyone has been talking about it so far.

Plus,`Dean is going to move to the right when he goes against Bush. For some people, this will be proof that Dean is a sellout or some nonsense like that.