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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:39 AM
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Daily Democrat: A positive discussion about Dennis Kucinich
In an effort to provide for some enlightening discussion, rather than partisan flaming, the administrators have decided to post regular threads about the candidates for the Democratic nomination which are reserved for positive discussion only. These threads will be called the "Daily Democrat".

Currently, we intend to post two Daily Democrat discussion threads per day. If a particular thread becomes too long, then the moderators will open additional threads as necessary. These discussion threads will be allowed to stay open until the next two Daily Democrat threads are opened at some point the following day.

THE RULES

The rules for these Daily Democrat candidate threads are as follows. (For the purposes of these rules, the candidate who is the subject of the thread is referred to as the "Daily Democrat".)

1. You are welcome to post anything positive about the Daily Democrat. You can explain why you support that person. You can dispel myths about that candidate. You can discuss that person's positions on various issues. Whatever.

2. You are allowed to favorably compare the Daily Democrat to other candidates, provided that you are not unnecessarily inflammatory or antagonistic to the other candidates.

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5. Undecided voters are encouraged to ask questions about the Daily Democrat in order to better inform their choice. Note that criticism disguised as a question will not be allowed.

6. You may not start another discussion thread for the purposes of responding to comments made in the "Daily Democrat" thread. Sorry -- you just have to suck it up and let the positive discussion continue uninterrupted.

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8. I reserve the right to change the rules as necessary to make this work.


TIMING

We will discuss two Daily Democrats per day, and cycle through the list of presidential candidates in modified alphabetical order.


12/04 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/05 - Howard Dean ....... and ... Joe Lieberman
12/06 - John Edwards ...... and ... Carol Moseley Braun
12/07 - Dick Gephardt ..... and ... Al Sharpton
12/08 - John Kerry ........ and ... Wesley Clark
12/09 - Dennis Kucinich ... and ... Howard Dean
12/10 - Joe Lieberman ..... and ... John Edwards
12/11 - Carol Moseley Braun and ... Dick Gephardt
12/12 - Al Sharpton ....... and ... John Kerry
12/13 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/14 - Etc...


LET'S GET STARTED

Here's your chance for some positive discussion of Dennis Kucinich! Who wants to start it off?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:43 AM
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1. Dennis is a stand-up guy
who has a clear vision for how to make life better for the citizens of this nation and is not afraid to stand up for those beliefs in the face of doubting DLCers or nasty Neocons.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:45 AM
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2. What are your top two reasons for supporting Kucinich?
The limit is in part to concentrate the main draw the candidate has for you--I'm seriously still looking and want to know what you think are the best features of your candidate (yeah, I'm doing this in the other threads, too)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:52 AM
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8. Top two reasons
He of all the candidates is closest to my stand on most issues, and even though he prefers the DNC to be a big tent, he is not against third party folks having their say and is willing to reform election processes so that they can be heard.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:55 AM
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10. Which issues are most important to you?
Or which ones do you think he's strongest on? I'm really trying to get a feel for the candidates as seen by their supporters.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:01 PM
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17. Phew
Hard to put them in order.

I'd say election reform first, because the weirdness of black box voting and the wackiness of plurality voting have stifled democracy in the nation.

Next, I would want him to focus on:

Repealing the Patriot Act, getting out of Nafta and Gatt etc, dropping the stupid unfunded education mandates, improving mpg in American cars and switching to clean, renewable energy sources

And lots of other things, but I can't tell you right now. I have to stuff a 3 year old into a snowsuit so we can get his brother off of the school bus five minutes from now *yikes!*
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the_boxer_ Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. 1-2-3-4
1 - Repeal Patriot Act
2 - Universal Health Care
3 - Reverse Corporate Globalization.
4 - Renewable Energy

2,3,4 are very close.

Number 1 is my primary issue.

I just wish the man could get elected.

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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Good issues
Not sure even a US president can have much of an impact on Corporate Globalization, but the other three are all within reach, given good leadership.
Thank you
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
44. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

Love your sig, btw. :)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:08 PM
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31. Ok, I'm back, so here's a revision.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 01:16 PM by GreenPartyVoter
Like others, everything after the #1 slot are basically tied.

I want the patriot act repealed. I also want universal healthcare, I want publicly funded day-care-through-college schooling, signing on to the world Court and the kyoto treaty and out of NAFTA and GATT, better mpg on cars, clean and renewable energy. I want a Prez who will get us out of Iraq, stop bankrolling Israel, stop supplying funds and weapons to any nation led by a tyrant, will shut down the School of the Americas. (And there's still a lot more that I don't have time to list.)

But I know the reality is we still have to wrangle with the corporate interests that dominate our government. We can't make effective policy changes until:

1) we have separation of corporations and state
2) we have a better election system

So I still very much want Dennis in the WH, but I know that it would be an uphill battle for him to get anything accomplished with all of the neocons around. :(
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:21 PM
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32. I believe the art of politics still works
That the way to build a government is to pull all of the best ideas together. That is part of why I want to see what attracts folks to the various candidates. If WHOEVER gets the nomination is smart, he/she will pull together the best each of them has to offer.

Kucinich has some very good positions. His passion and determination can help guide, even if he isn't the one to lead so don't give up. He might also find a place in someone else's administration--that's important, too.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Yes, but
I hope whoever is elected doesn't raid the Senate and House too much. We can't afford to lose seats on the Hill, even for so good a cause.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. LOL! Agreed!
Having a strong base in the Congress is important to an administration, too!
Advisory capacity, maybe...
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:52 PM
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37. Better democracy, change in wealth flow
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 01:55 PM by Mairead
Those two super-goals are addressed by Kucinich's support for
- IRV elections and anti-BBV
- Scrapping the 'patriot' act
- Scrapping the drugs war and treating pot like alcohol
- Universal education that focuses on critical thinking
- Universal non-profit healthcare
- Re-vectoring public spending away from war and toward human needs.

(I'm sure I'm missing some things--he has such a comprehensive program)
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #2
15. His effort to redefine American foreign policy...
and his honest, passionate efforts to gain the nomination. He seems like a non-political person, and that can only be a plus.
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NuckinFutz Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #2
16. Dennis exemplifies integrity.
He works for his constituency, and not merely to line his own pockets or further his own personal agenda. The man cannot be bought, and he does not sacrifice his principles, but continually fights for what is right.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:08 PM
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22. top two reasons
1. Dennis is bringing up and fighting for issues that no one else is. For example, Dennis is for decriminalization of marijuana. Instant Runnoff Voting. Diebold's shennanigans with their voting machines. He's the only one reaching out to third parties such as the greens and the natural law (I tend to think being inclusive is good). He's the only one of our nominees who voted against the USA PATRIOT Act. He's the only one for gay marrige. These issues are totally bypassed or sidestepped by the other candidates.

2. Conviction/Charecter - While others are down on him for what happened in Cleveland, I think that is amazing. Dennis refused to sell Cleveland's power company, under pressure from banks and big business, to keep electric bills down. He was run out of town, until everyone realized he did something AMAZING and stood up for people over big money interests and actually saved them on their bills.

"Who died and left the WTO in charge?" - Kucinich

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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:40 PM
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30. Is your question open to anyone?
If so, I'll say what I've said elsewhere on this forum.... Dennis is the only one I've found who has included people who need the "safety net" in his platform. It doesn't seem to be a Dem issue any longer, so it will probably be shredded even further and people dying if someone with very strong commitment doesn't come forward. Given that this affects me personally, I can't be blase about the issue. I wish it was something that more people felt interested in. Doesn't seem to rank very high. That scares me.

Kanary
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:08 PM
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48. I guess not
The isolation is really getting to me, so I'll just let you all talk amongst yourselves.

It hurts.

Kanary
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:11 PM
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51. I don't think you're being ignored, honestly.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:23 PM by Mairead
Your safety-net issue is so obviously important that it's hard to find something more to say than you've said already.

(edit) I wish he'd say more about safety-net issues, frankly, and more about jobs. He has plans for 2M good new jobs, but it's not clear what will happen to the other 9-12M people or so who need an income stream.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:34 PM
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54. You are not being ignored, dear!
I was away from the computer and haven't had as much time to respond as I'd like today.

Yes, the folks dropping thru the safty net are important. The health care issue is part of that (and that is a big Dem issue still), and the folks dropping off the unemployment rolls as well (but the Repubs are going to ignore them because "the economy is getting better"--"getting better" doesn't buy much at the grocery store, tho!)
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:37 PM
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55. Kanary, I think that...
... the population of people on the internet is not the exact same population as the people who are falling through the holes in the safety net. It's coming to that I'm sure, if you-know-who gets his way, but right now maybe not.

Some of us are hanging on by our fingernails, job-wise and money-wise. To be honest, maybe talking about it is just too scary when we look at those charge card bills mounting up these days. In my house, we are both doing so much worse than our parents did at the same time in their lives... and that isn't how we were led to believe it would happen.

Hang in there, Kanary. A friend of ours lost his job after eighteen years with the same company, and for a while they were considering moving to another part of the country and maybe not being able to send their two girls to college, but he found a partner who went into a small business with him, his wife found a part time job as an exercise instructor, and things are looking up a bit for them now. If starting your own small business isn't a possibility for you, honey I can always use a handyman around the house! That isn't the "shtick" of my best beloved at all, and there are dozens of women in the same place that I am.

It should be a Democratic issue, I totally agree. I like that MoveOn ad that talks about how we have 87 billion for Iraq but not enough to take care of our own people's needs. I hope that, as the next President, Kucinich will get us out of this war thing and back to Democratic basics. Meanwhile, though, I can't do much but hold your hand in cyberspace, but I can do that.

:pals:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
33. If i limit to 2
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 01:24 PM by dweller
1 would be that he speaks of a new paradigm that promotes Peace over war. For too long this country has been led into war by the political process that does not represent me or how i feel, much less the victims of other countries we attack.
Aggression fuels hatred and the US is very hated right now by large parts of the world for our aggressiveness. I think DK steps back and looks at the whole process of where we are as a nation and believes we can take a different approach, and one that will put us as a country on a even par with the rest of the globe, and actually could be leading it towards a better world for all Earthly inhabitants.

and 2, he works for the people, not for his own agenda. That makes me feel as i am once again important in the process, for after all, politics is just a process to put intelligent people in position to represent 'we, the people'.

now i realize that you probably wanted specific issues, talking points about political issues and the like, to point you towards my candidate. But for me, i first have to gauge the heart and soul of a person, and then go from there.

peace,
dp
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:36 PM
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46. My top two reasons?
1 - I have children and care about children. I want to do whatever I can to ensure I leave the best government for them to have to work with. War is bad for children and other living things. Kucinich is the only candidate running who is willing to fight for peace. All the rest are too cowardly to take up the challenge Washington left for those to follow him. We have a huge problem with violence in our country and around the world and he's the only one even addressing it... not by censoring games and movies but by taking a comprehensive approach and planning ways to advocate for peace from within American homes and schools right up to the UN.

2 - He's the best candidate running. It's primary season and it's my chance to show the world what kind of values I have. I'm going to show them by voting my conscience, for the best candidate to run in my lifetime. He has shown his integrity by sacrificing his own career in order to stand up for the people's interest over the corporate interests. No other candidate running has done that. All others have shown they're willing to bargain with the public interest as if it were just another chit on the poker table. Not Kucinich -- he's the real deal.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:09 PM
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49. Ok...
yeah, I'm doing this in the other threads, too

Yeah, I know, and I appreciate that you are!

OK, as someone who is a former teacher I like what he has to say about education, especially: "Education must emphasize creative and critical thinking, not just test-taking." Boy does he have that right! I left teaching in the mid-1980s after nearly twenty years. Even then, I was outraged that we teachers were given a list of the skills that appeared on the state test and told to make sure our class was taught those things. The results were going to be published in the local newspaper, and it was important to make the district and the school "look good." Yes, indeed, I had kids in my second grade who could "call words" that were in the seventh grade reading book, but those same kids had no clue what those words meant or what the text was about. Even simple questions like "what might happen next" had no relevance because the poor kid had no clue what was happening then for heaven's sake! So, excuse me but a trained monkey can say two plus two equals four, but remember the Bill Cosby routine where he pretends to be a kid and says "what's a two?" Sorry, but I really don't want to see a world of folks lined up doing data entry for MBNA. I want to see a world with more creative and critical thinkers. Going through twelve years of Catholic school as I did, I know what it means to not have the opportunity to be creative and critical, and I resent getting a really late start on that.

And now, as someone who is a senior citizen in some restaurants, but not all of them, I like it that Dennis is for universal health care with a single payer plan and, related somewhat, a guaranteed Social Security at age 65. To my dismay, I learned that I'd have to work an extra year before I could retire with full Social Security benefits. Sure, it isn't as bad for me as it is for someone coming along who will have to work until they are seventy or so, but because I don't want that for them or for me, I like Dennis. And as for the health care plan, it works in Canada, it's what most Americans want, and it's long past time we got over our fear of what is (only to us, not to the rest of the world) a "risky" idea. We need someone with the gumption to just do it. I'm reasonably certain that the cost of cigarettes, and the cost of beer and wine, will go up, but y'know, that's OK by me (who smokes and once in a while has a drink of beer or wine).

OK... that's part of why I like Dennis. He wants us out of NAFTA, and he wants a Peace Department, and he wants to save the environment, and he favors affirmative action and so on and so on and so on, but you said two, didn't you?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. Health care and education--good points
Education has been a big issue here in Ohio, so I'm not surprised DK puts a high priority on the situation. Test mania is destroying good teachers and students alike.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:46 AM
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3. He's right
on just about all the issues.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:46 AM
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4. Thanks for this idea
I want to hear about the good qualities of Democratic candidates. The Republicans will let me know their bad qualities.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:49 AM
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5. I like Dennis
he's way up my list (though Clark is at the top)

in fact, most of the arguments I see the Dean people make - re 'stop talking about electability, and vote for the guy who's saying the right stuff' would put me squarely in Kucinich's camp rather than Dean's.

He really is the sort of human being I earnestly wish would run this country.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:51 AM
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6. Dennis would give us our best shot at peace
and single-payer health care. Both of these things are possible, imo, but there's a myth they're not, Dennis sees through the crap and tells us how it is.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:06 PM
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21. Two very good things!
I was appalled at how the health care issue was shot down during Clinton's administration--and how it's being mishandled now.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:51 AM
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7. I will support the candidate
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:52 AM by slavkomae
who was the best chance to transform America into a country in which Dennis Kucinich can have a viable shot at winning the presidency.
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the_boxer_ Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:33 PM
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26. slavkomae....
Absolutley agree!

:toast:

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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:53 AM
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9. Inviting Nader to the debate is a gutsy move
I like this way of mending fences.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 AM
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14. agreed
and classy
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:56 AM
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11. one of my personal heros
took a stand because it was the right thing to do for his constituiets, instead of the politically expedediant one. paid the price, but was proven right, and made a come back. the dem. party could take a lesson from the career of DK.

that a man like DK could be considered 'unelectable' a sign of how fucked up this country is.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:34 PM
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28. You are so right; it is shameful the way superficialities get in the way
of message and dialogue and information and acceptance...this just sucks. He is indeed the right kind of man to be running the country and if the 'liberal' media really were the Liberal Media, he'd be the guy getting the most attention out of the pack of Democrats, not dang near the least...
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the_boxer_ Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:35 PM
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29. I dig your sig line KG....
:hi:
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 AM
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12. Dennis Kucinich
Is the truth-telling man. You get no wish-washy waffling on anything under the sun. Whatever it is, he tells it. I didn't know much about him before coming to DU, but I've learned, and this guy's the real deal.

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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 AM
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13. This is the guy I would have voted for if he had had a chance
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:58 AM by Kamika
I'd love for this guy to be our president but I honestly don't see him winning the election , atleast not when there's not a big 3rd conserative party that could challenge the republican.

I'll vote for Dean but in a perfect world it would have been Kucinich
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:05 PM
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19. I'm caucusing for Kucinich in Minnesota
because I don't care about other people's opinions of who has a chance. The caucuses and primaries are my opportunity to tell the Democratic Party which direction I think it should go in.

I'll compromise during the general election if necessary, but there is no reason on earth to compromise during the primary/caucus season.
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the_boxer_ Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:02 PM
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18. I like Kucinich...
and from what I've seen and heard, there are a lot of people who do. This guy is a class act and fights for issues that are considered way too left for even Democrats. I wish this guy would win. I don't think he will, but he is a great guy.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:49 PM
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58. You have to ask for what you want...
I wish this guy would win. I don't think he will, but he is a great guy.

He will if he gets your vote.

Ask for (or in this case vote for) what you want and you can get it. If you don't, you won't get it, you know.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:05 PM
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20. Kucinich is awesome! n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:10 PM
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24. He is just about right on all the issues plus he gives great perspective
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:31 PM
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25. I like his positions on NAFTA and on legalization/decriminalization
he seems very focused on many issues that need action, and I am most in line with his views than any one other candidate.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:40 PM
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34. Dennis is the man I most wish could be president
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 02:05 PM by youngred
and so he has my support through the Primaries. I agree with his approaches to foreign policy, health care, drug policy, education, abortion, politics and I find him to be the most honest and principled candidate in the race.

If only he were given half the chance of the other candidates he would sweep this country to a better future.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 01:48 PM
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35. DK is THE ONLY standup guy on offer!
He is the ONLY one who has proven integrity. The only one who won't sell us out. The only candidate we can trust.

If we don't stand up for the guy who stands up for us, then we deserve whatever happens to us. It's as simple as that.

Unless something truly phenomenal happens meanwhile, DK has my vote-- check-off or write-in, whatever it takes.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:05 PM
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39. Kucinich represents the best in the Democratic Party.
He consistently advocates a progressive agenda, and he is interested in reaching out to other progressives. I respect him for things like this:

"When we fought the badly-named "Patriot Act," we fought it together -- and I was the only one running who voted against it."

quoted from "Open Letter to Nader Voters and the Greens
by Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich"

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0724-08.htm
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:07 PM
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40. He's the best
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:10 PM
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41. Thank you for posting the BBV documents, Dennis! n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:19 PM
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42. nafta-gat/jobs, health care
these are winning issues if the party would reach out to the 50% who don't vote. Although I don't agree with everything he says(that would be Scary), nobody else comes close. To top it off he's blue collar, a perspective all to rare in the halls of power.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:20 PM
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43. Great guy and my second choice to Dean.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:28 PM
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45. DK brings issues to the table
With Diebold being headquartered in his home state of Ohio, it made his active opposition to their push for non-accountable vote tabulating more potent, and gave us the added benefit of making it a hot topic for all of the other candidates. This enriches everyone's candidates, and the debate. It will help democracy.

DK appeals to me because he has proven beyond any doubt that he does not serve the corporate masters in DC, but the people. Amazing that by doing what we should expect of all our representatives, that which is constitutionally mandated, is now out of the ordinary, or considered "fringe" or far-leftist by the media. Dennis isn't about "left vs. right", he is about what Jim Hightower called "the top vs. the bottom". Dennis speaks for ALL of us, while helping those who need it most, realize their full potential as human beings, and Americans.

He is the candidate of, by, and for the people. He is the candidate of peace and multilateralism. He is the candidate I am most eager to vote for in Arizona's February primary.

For the undecideds, give him a closer look, and give your highest ideals for America a voice and a representative.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:33 PM
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63. And what issues he brings!

On his website, Dennis Kucinich explains his positions on a great variety of issues, listing ten of them as his top ten issues. For brevity's sake, I'm just listing the top five issues on his list, with my comments below.

1.Universal Health Care with a Single Payer Plan

2.Full Social Security Benefits at Age 65

3.Withdrawal from NAFTA and WTO

4.Repeal of the "Patriot Act"

5.Right-to-Choose, Privacy, and Civil Rights

1. Representative Kucinich's plan for universal health care is to expand Medicare to cover all Americans. This Enhanced Medicare for All would provide affordable prescription drugs, thanks to bulk purchasing.

2. Dennis Kucinich would use a progressive tax structure and reordered
national priorities to preserve Social Security (no privatization!) and to allow all Americans to retire with full benefits at the age of 65. As Kucinich writes:

"Social security is the basic covenant our society has with workers who have built our economy. At a time when CEOs earn 240 times the pay of the average worker, it is unconscionable not to return full retirement benefits to age 65."

3. President Kucinich will make withdrawal of the United States from NAFTA and WTO one of his first official acts, replacing them with fair trade agreements that preserve workers' rights and the environment.

Kucinich writes, "The global trade regime of NAFTA and WTO has enriched multinational corporations. But for workers, family farmers, and the environment, it has meant a global race to the bottom. "

4.Congressman Kucinich is as concerned about the Patriot Act as any of us. He was the only candidate to vote against the Patriot Act . As he says,
"The "Patriot Act" is not what American patriots have fought and died for."

5.Dennis J. Kucinich's positions on right-to-choose, privacy, and civil rights, are the overall best of any of the candidates, including his promise to use support of Roe v. Wade as a litmus test for nominees to the Supreme Court, to intensify enforcement of civil rights and voting rights, to afford gays and lesbians full equality throughout society, to maintain affirmative action as a tool for racial and gender equality.

Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate to promise to use Roe v. Wade as a litmus test for nominees to the Supreme Court, the only candidate to support federal action to legalize gay marriage, the only candidate to support federal action to end the death penalty, the only candidate to promise an end to the "drug war" and favor not only legalization of medical marijuana but also decriminalization of marijuana.




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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:33 PM
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64. And what issues he brings!

On his website, Dennis Kucinich explains his positions on a great variety of issues, listing ten of them as his top ten issues. For brevity's sake, I'm just listing the top five issues on his list, with my comments below.

1.Universal Health Care with a Single Payer Plan

2.Full Social Security Benefits at Age 65

3.Withdrawal from NAFTA and WTO

4.Repeal of the "Patriot Act"

5.Right-to-Choose, Privacy, and Civil Rights

1. Representative Kucinich's plan for universal health care is to expand Medicare to cover all Americans. This Enhanced Medicare for All would provide affordable prescription drugs, thanks to bulk purchasing.

2. Dennis Kucinich would use a progressive tax structure and reordered
national priorities to preserve Social Security (no privatization!) and to allow all Americans to retire with full benefits at the age of 65. As Kucinich writes:

"Social security is the basic covenant our society has with workers who have built our economy. At a time when CEOs earn 240 times the pay of the average worker, it is unconscionable not to return full retirement benefits to age 65."

3. President Kucinich will make withdrawal of the United States from NAFTA and WTO one of his first official acts, replacing them with fair trade agreements that preserve workers' rights and the environment.

Kucinich writes, "The global trade regime of NAFTA and WTO has enriched multinational corporations. But for workers, family farmers, and the environment, it has meant a global race to the bottom. "

4.Congressman Kucinich is as concerned about the Patriot Act as any of us. He was the only candidate to vote against the Patriot Act . As he says,
"The "Patriot Act" is not what American patriots have fought and died for."

5.Dennis J. Kucinich's positions on right-to-choose, privacy, and civil rights, are the overall best of any of the candidates, including his promise to use support of Roe v. Wade as a litmus test for nominees to the Supreme Court, to intensify enforcement of civil rights and voting rights, to afford gays and lesbians full equality throughout society, to maintain affirmative action as a tool for racial and gender equality.

Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate to promise to use Roe v. Wade as a litmus test for nominees to the Supreme Court, the only candidate to support federal action to legalize gay marriage, the only candidate to support federal action to end the death penalty, the only candidate to promise an end to the "drug war" and favor not only legalization of medical marijuana but also decriminalization of marijuana.




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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:53 PM
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47. Dennis offers an alternative to fear.
So much public policy is fear driven. We live in a culture of fear and it's entirely toxic. Dennis Kucinich is a weapon against fear and represents a cultural shift that we eventually need to take.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:09 PM
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50. Dennis's populism is REAL. He cares more about his constituents
as people than is imaginable for a politician.

His is HONEST courage, not a VENEER of courage.

His is HONEST populism, not a VENEER of populism.

His are HONEST words, not a VENEER of straight talk.

His are POPULIST policies matched by his populist record.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:19 PM
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52. You nailed it, BLM! He never needs to think very hard about what to say
because he's not trying to erect a false front or remember what he said yesterday (unlike a certain other candidate who rewrites hist er, 'evolves' overnight). He only has to say what he believes.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:05 PM
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62. Perfectly stated , blm
DK came from a poor family, never forgot his roots, and wants America to be a real progressive country.

His concern for the working poor, the middle class, and for workers' rights is real, and comes from his heart.

HONEST is the word.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:29 PM
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53. How do you spell 'Kucinich'?
Answer: W-O-W
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:45 PM
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57. I support Kucinich because he's what Democrats used to be
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:46 PM by dpbrown
He breathes fire, and backs it up with action.

He takes positions that empower people, and then uses his representative influence to help real people.

Of all the candidates, I think Kucinich has the best pedigree on taking on corporate power and winning.

In Cleveland, Kucinich took on the Enron of his day - CEI, a company that morphed later into FirstEnergy and caused the biggest blackout in North American history - and he won.

At a great cost to his personal safety and political career, Kucinich protected the Cleveland public electrical utility from being "privatized" and it took 15 years off his political life and political trajectory.

He was later commended by the City of Cleveland for his brave stand, and for saving the people of Cleveland over $250 million in energy charges in the intervening years.

This is just a small sample of Kucinich's incredible vision and power to effect change.

I respect Kucinich's position on:

1. Ending the Death Penalty.
2. Universal Single Payer Health Care for what we're paying now.
3. Ending NAFTA.
4. UN in US out of Iraq in 90 days.
5. Stopping "Star Wars" the failed Reagan program once and for all.
6. Abrogating Halliburton war pirate contracts.
7. A federal law on gay union/marriage protection, and
8. Demilitarizing space...

...more than every, single other candidate running for the nomination.

I think that with Bush on the ropes, and with the fact that 53 million voted for a "progressive" in 2000, versus only 50 million who voted for a conservative, it's time to bring back traditional, liberal Democratic principles to the White House and to the nation.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:03 PM
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59. I admire K because he appeals to young people of character
Like John Kleeb.
John
Mr. Kleeb reminds me of myself a L-O-O-O-N-G time ago.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:13 PM
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60. great speeches
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 04:50 PM by goodhue
Dennis gives really great speeches which he writes himself.
Check them out here:
http://www.kucinich.us/speeches.php

Here is one on Government from way back in November 2000 that really sets the tone for what was to come . . .

http://www.kucinich.us/speeches/speech3.htm

Government

by Congressman Dennis Kucinich

The following essay appeared in Imagine What America Could Be edited by Marianne Williamson and published by Rodale press November 2000.

As the chambers and passageways of the Great Pyramid are said to have encrypted the past and predicted the future, the majesty of the U.S. Capitol, its chambers and passageways, its paintings and pronouncements is similarly evocative of the past, present, and future of America's government.

As I sit inside the chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives as a member of the 106th Congress and try to imagine the best this government can be a half-century from now, I am moved by the beauty of the People's House. A giant eagle soars above, etched in glass against a huge canopy, its wings spread over the assembled Congress. I noticed it instantly when I first walked onto the floor as an elected member. The eagle is quick, daring, possessed of exceptional vision. It is symbolic of our national spirit, which, when it soars, is awesome to behold. Secure in the eagle's beak is a prophetic banner inscribed with our nation's original motto: e pluribus unum. "Out of many, one." I think of my own journey as one of 435 members of the House representing 50 states. Here, I and those who chose me establish the merger of "We the People of the United States." The unity that the banner forever proclaims above the heads of the members of Congress speaks not to the fixed idea of flat history but to our interconnectedness how the choices that each one of us makes are choices for all of us; that the idea of unity precedes us, is present before us, and calls to us from a distant future. The very first sentence of the Declaration of Independence, in performing the act of dissolving "the political bands which have connected" people with one another, confirms the underlying power of cohesiveness. The consciousness of interconnectedness, together with the principle of freedom, was the thought that birthed a nation.

"We the People" is also prologue. The constitutive is intuitive. The awareness that America exists as the thoughts, words, and deeds of each and every one of us can empower us to begin to create today the nation that we want for ourselves and for our children 50 years from now.

Each time we vote, each day we address the House, members of Congress face the Speaker's rostrum, above which, carved in marble, is the national motto adopted by Congress in 1956: in god we trust. This act of faith is stunning in a nation whose Constitution celebrates not only freedom of religion but the separation of Church and State in the First Amendment. Separation of Church and State is an ethic that encourages the unity of all Americans, whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, other faith, or nonfaith. It is, after all, the House of all the people. A paradox occurs: It is clear that the founders never intended to separate the government from spiritual values. Otherwise, what of the summary appeal to the protection of Divine Providence in the Declaration itself? A tour of the Capitol reveals the spiritual heritage of the United States, with images of angels, divine light, and entreaties for holy intervention abounding in paintings, sculpture, and inscription, all describing a nation walking a lit path toward something intangible, just beyond the five senses. How else to explain, in the very center of the Capitol, in the canopy of the dome above the Rotunda, Constantino Brumidi's fresco The Apotheosis of Washington? Rising above a rainbow, looking down from starry heavens, our first president is flanked by winged beings in a joyous masterpiece of the transfiguring power of democracy. I've often come to the Rotunda in the early mornings, approaching it as I may a grand cathedral, to seek solitude for reflection.

At the beginning of every day, Congress is called to solemn attention with a prayer, a focused, concentrated meditation, a call for higher consciousness to help us carry forward the people's business. Congress as a repository of faith might strike some as brilliant hyperbole. But as representatives of the people, we are truly called by faith and to faith. Faith in our constituents, faith in ourselves, faith in our nation, faith in something that transcends our condition, some higher awareness that we can reach for, some understanding that comes from spirit when we ask for it. That we ultimately get what we pray for is a truism. What shall our prayers be for the government of the United States of tomorrow? Can you imagine the power of unity of prayer and purpose? Some religions teach that faith is empowered through good works. What if in the next 30 years we pray and work for Union, Justice, Liberty, Tolerance, and Peace, those foundational spiritual principles memorialized at the base of the Speaker's platform that faces the assembled Congress? What if we pray and work for a more perfect union 50 years hence?

In the Capitol, you can sense a certain spirit permeating the air, and you can imagine the possibilities of the people's government to inspire, to create new forms. The Capitol is infused with the energies of everyone who ever served here; of every member of Congress, every senator, every president. The energy and the intentions of not only officeholders but of all Americans are charged in this alabaster city. People can feel the history of the Capitol. They can feel the portent as well. This sense of discovery gives loft to our highest aspirations for ourselves and our nation. It confirms our sense of achievement. It informs our sense of the physical beauty of the structure of thought of our constitutional democracy and the principles that shaped it. Imagine the possibilities of tapping into the higher consciousness of the Spirit of America.

But just as our nation's great heart can almost be heard to sing, comes a jolt and one is returned to a dense, painful reality: Washington, D.C., 2000, is hyper-paced, fearful, and confused. Instead of debate that leads to a new synthesis expressing an underlying unity, we are trapped in dichotomous thinking that devolves into the incoherence of right versus left, Democrat versus Republican, rich versus poor, male versus female, young versus old, black versus white. The same discontinuity that occurred when our nation divided North from South is accelerated in the separation of people from the very government that is the work of their own hands.

Government is a manifestation of the impulse of the human community to organize for social and economic purposes. The attack on government is essentially an attack upon ourselves and our aspirations of what we are to become as a people. The attack on the institution of democratic government is in and of itself antidemocratic. It is a theft of the anchor points or philosophical coordinates of a free society. It would disestablish the American community and replace it with the tyranny of monolithic rule, whether by concentrated wealth or corporate control. As conscience becomes subordinate to commerce, we become alienated from our inalienable rights. Lost in an alien nation, people do not trust the government and the government does not trust the people. A dialectic of fear sets in. Institutional decay and public apathy follow. Self government deteriorates as people feel that neither their voice nor their vote matters. Government then loses its legitimacy, and Lincoln's prayer for an imperishable "government of the people, by the people and for the people" is not heard, lost in the deafening roar of the cash registers of interest groups who view democratic principles as an impediment to doing business, notwithstanding human needs.

Capitol Hill today is abuzz with busy people. We run, under the watchful eyes of a large security force, past the metal detectors, from meeting to meeting, tethered to our cell phones and our pagers, in a time famine, starving for an extra moment, rushing headlong as to the Mad Hatter's tea party, just a step ahead of an avalanche of details. The pace of Congress is not a human pace, and one gets the feeling of the rehearsed, automatic activity of a supernumerary who is not permitted to know the main plot. As we hurry from vote to vote, the most frequently asked question members ask on the floor of the House is: "What are we voting on?" No time to say hello or good-bye, we are already late for our next meeting. We are bombarded with information that will be absolutely meaningless 50 years from now, sapping us of the time we need to do things that will matter 50 years from now.

It is urgent that we require of ourselves a more human pace, a slower, more natural rhythm of human interaction that provides for something more than a superficial presence in relationship to ourselves, our loved ones, and our nation; to take time to think about the America of tomorrow and our place in it, that we may again make great plans. We have to transport our consciousness of America into the future and imagine that which cannot be imagined; we must re-create, summon new forms from the unknown, and draw forth new structures that spring from higher awareness, a greater understanding of ourselves, our nation, and the world. A spiritual dedication and practice of transcendence to create new alternatives can awaken our highest aspirations, can invoke a sense of great purpose, can energize our spiritual capabilities and lead to our own transformation and to the transformation of our nation. How much power has the human heart!

Remember a child's belief in the power of magic, of wizards, of shape shifting. That towering instinct toward transformation is nascent in the human heart. Once joined to the soul's purpose, that instinct lets the human spirit take flight to explore the stars in the heavens within and above us, and we take our place within Washington's apotheosis. It is that instinct that led the Founders to create beyond existing structures of 18th-century thought and fling far into the future a United States built upon hallowed Liberty, Justice, Equality, principles that give America the ability to adapt to an undreamed of future. While we recognize that the Founders participated in a world of exceptional cruelty, with its dependence on the abominable institution of slavery, its disregard of the essential role of women as co- creators, and its appropriation of the land and lives of its Native American sons and daughters, we can still retrieve the highest sentiments of the time. At the same time, we must include the lowest sentiments of our historical experience. The path to the future is now, through truth, reconciliation, and transformation.
Can you hear the reveille of the American Spirit? It calls us forth to remember where we came from as a nation, to reclaim our spiritual heritage and the finest human potential that radiates from it.

On my way to vote, I complete my climb up the stairs of the House of Representatives and pass through doors on which three-dimensional iron figures reveal another reality of our national identity: war. The heavy metal passageway that leads to the floor of the House is a gallery in high relief of grim reminders from the American Revolutionary War, of the clash of arms and the sacrifice of lives to ensure America's survival as a nation. This very House was burned by the British in 1814. On some evenings, a faint, acrid smell (something burnt?!), its origin unknown, haunts the air near the upper entrance to the House.

The Capitol, and all of America, is a panorama of battlefield tributes, exacting such a powerful claim on our national psyche that even in peacetime, even after the demise of the Soviet Union and with it the end of the Cold War, our nation still spends more than $300 billion a year to warranty our preparedness for future fighting. Ghosts gather, blood spirits hover, and our fears float freely when our country's resources are to be allocated.

The searing truth is that in the 20th century, more than 100 million members of the human community, most of them civilian noncombatants, perished in wars. At the dawn of the 21st century, violence seems to be an overarching theme in the world, encompassing personal, group, national, and international conflict. It now extends to the production of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons of mass destruction for use on land and sea, in air and outer space. Real and anticipated conflict is accepted, even glorified, as intrinsic to the human condition, with few questions about whether the structures of thought, word, and deed that we have inherited are relevant to the maintenance, growth, and survival of our entire civilization.

Our national policy dialogue is infected with war metaphors: the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on illiteracy, the war on this or that. Our children are immersed in video war games. Our sports are rife with war talk. Our media often glorify war. How did we as a society develop such an ardor for arms? Our Founders, while providing for the Common Defense, did not envision America as a land of conquistadores. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, at the beginning of World War II, encouraged steadfastness among the American people: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." As the war wound down, FDR aspired to ending the beginning of all wars: "Today we are faced with the pre-eminent fact that, if civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships, the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together and work together in the same world, at peace."

As we stand on the threshold of a new millennium, it is time to free ourselves, to jettison our illusions and fears and transform age-old challenges with new thinking. We can conceive of peace as not simply the absence of violence but the active presence of the capacity for a higher evolution of human awareness, of respect, trust, and integrity. Of peace, wherein we all may tap the infinite capabilities of humanity to transform consciousness and conditions that impel or compel violence at a personal, group, or national level toward creating understanding, compassion, and love. We can bring forth new understandings where peace, not war, becomes inevitable. Can we move from wars to end all wars to peace to end all war?

As our fears ossify thought, so our hopes can excite new thinking toward the construction of a new social reality for the new century, to create a new architecture for human relationships and transport its structure directly to our system of government. America can, in the first half of this century, create a cabinet-level Department of Peace. The mission would be to make nonviolence the central organizing principle in our society, advancing human relations in domestic as well as foreign policy. It takes an act of Congress and an act of faith in our transformative capacities to evolve to a condition where violence and war become archaic.

One possessed of a sober understanding of politics and government could fairly challenge such a concept as impractical and hopelessly idealistic since, in the view of some, war is the very invention of politics and government. We look to government to repair the nation, yet our challenges at their core are not necessarily those on which government trains its focus. Our greatest challenges are spiritual at their source: a misunderstanding of power, the heavy burden of unrelieved materialism, fear of death. If all that government does is address symptoms, we will always be dissatisfied with the government. Government itself must be moved to a higher level of thought, to a quickened cognizance of its generative role as a convener of consciousness for the country. Our Founders understood that the material foundations of an enduring democracy rest upon immaterial principles. They knew that our journey here on Earth is to carry spiritual principles into the material world, and in spiritualizing the material, our thoughts, words, and deeds are made holy, and we are elevated with them.

"We must cultivate the science of human relationships," said the noble FDR shortly before he passed away. You are wondering what a Department of Peace might look like. A proposal is being crafted at this very moment, with the help of thousands of people across America, to create a Department of Peace whose domestic application would be to develop policies that address human aggression, domestic violence, spousal abuse, child abuse, and mistreatment of the elderly. It could work to create new policies directed at drug and alcohol abuse. It would lead to a reevaluation of the causes of crime. It could give us a new chance to review failed approaches to punishment that have resulted in more than two million Americans being confined. It should enable the rescue of human lives and the liberation of our society from self-imprisonment. It could analyze present policies, employ field-tested programs, and craft new approaches for dealing with violence in our society: school violence, gang or racial violence, violence against gays and lesbians, and clashes between police and community.

In its international work, the Department of Peace would deal with issues of human security, whether that security is threatened by geographic, religious, ethnic, or class conflicts. It would face the economic threats to human security, from inequities resulting from trade, unequal distribution of wealth, or scarcity of natural resources. It could foster a new consciousness of peace in our society, just as our national consciousness is informed by other structures in the government. It can be done. It starts with our own commitment to peace, to nonviolence in our own lives. The hymn entreats us: "Let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with me."

There is an intricate, synergistic relationship that exists between the people and their government. The idea of self-government implies that the self and the government are interrelated. We live in the nation and the nation lives in us. In understanding the reciprocity between ourselves and the government, we come to understand the power that we have to move our government, as we have the power to move our own lives. This is not an abstraction. This is an application of the spiritual principles that the Founders and their successors brought to us. We call upon them, as secular saints, for inspiration to help us become more than we are as a nation.

We call upon Washington to reconfirm our nation. We call upon Jefferson to enlighten us. We call upon Lincoln to heal our divisions. We call upon Theodore Roosevelt to embolden us. We call upon Franklin Roosevelt to encourage us. And we call upon the Founding Mothers and their successors to temper us, to nurture us, to make us gentle, and to seek peace as a light within. We ask forgiveness as we call upon our slave ancestors, who built this country from their stolen labor and ruined families. We seek atonement as we ask them for the courage to overcome and to continue the upward quest toward the emancipation of each and every human being. We call upon our Native American ancestors to help us reestablish our relationship with the Great Spirits of the Earth the water, the sky, the wind to give us the wisdom to heal the land to which we all belong. We seek reconciliation with our American Indian brothers and sisters through restoration of their dignity and full opportunity. We can call and they will answer, because time is an illusion and in matters of spirit and energy, the past, the present, and the future are one.

Each of us can lead in this effort to renew America, and to enable this nation to take its rightful place as a nation among nations, a "shining city on a hill" whose light gleams not only from the Capitol Dome against the darkest night, but whose light shines from within its people. We can become as presidents of our own lives by harkening to the words of "America the Beautiful," confirming "thy goal in self-control" to understand the interrelationship between the unfolding of democratic principles in our own lives and the upholding of democratic principles in the life of our nation, to consider that personhood and nationhood is a craft of the spirit. It is how we treat everyone. It is how we speak to one another. It is in affirming the humanity of anyone we may view as an enemy, whether across the street or over the seas, that we assert our own humanity.

None of us will go forward unless we all go forward together, united as Americans we the people, continuing the work of forming a more perfect union, under the watchful eye of the Spirit of America.



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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:43 PM
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61. Dennis J. Kucinich is the most progressive Democrat in the race.
He particularly impresses me because as Mayor of Cleveland, Kucinich kept his campaign promise to voters that he would not allow the city utility, Muny Light, to be sold. He stood up against the bankers and the utility company that wanted to buy Muny Light. As a result, Muny Light was saved, but the bankers played hardball and forced the city into default on loans. Local media then demonized Kucinich so that he lost his bid for re-election and actually couldn't find work in Cleveland after that.

Years later, people realized he had done the right thing, Muny Light had saved money for thousands of citizens, and it turned out that the banks and th other utility company had been connected in an unethical manner. He was asked to return and run for the state senate, which he did, moving up to the U.S. House of Representatives a few years later. He has defeated an incumbent Republican to win each office he has held, beginning with a City Council post when he was only 23.

A politician who keeps his promise, even at great personal cost, is a rarity.

After his speech "A Prayer for America" was widely circulated, thousands of people urged him to run for president. He gave the speech on February 17, 2002, and it includes these words:

"Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention."

Does this make him the first to speak out against war on Iraq? I believe it probably does, but whether he was first or not, he spoke out against the war long before it began and has never stopped speaking out against it in Congress as well on the campaign trail. He voted against it in Congress as well. And, by the way, he had a 100% voting record until Tom DeLay forced him to miss a vote or miss a debate. We can count on Dennis Kucinich to be a president who works hard for us.




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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:40 PM
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65. He kicked ass in tonight's debate! (nt)
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:48 PM
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66. He certainly did.
He won that debate. A truly good man and a real progressive.
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