90% Chance Dean will Win Nomination, 90% chance he will make Clark the VP

[Dems Will Win]

--and long before the convention. The General Election is going to start in April this time, and that's bad for Bush. Dean will say "if elected, I'm going to call in Vice President Clark, and tell him go find Osama Bin Laden and don't let the Saudis and Pakistanis stop you!" This would be devastating to Bush. And can you imagine a Clark-Cheney debate? Get out the popcorn!

Granted, anything could happen, but these are the current odds--unless Kerry or Clark or Edwards can make some kind of surge. Just one political consultant's opinion...

Dean/Clark '04 = Bush/Cheney Out the Door!

[Hep]

1. I'm sure they're well thought out, but the #'s are arbitrary

I'm not a betting man.

[Killarney]

4. That's what I'm hoping for...

I think a Dean/Clark ticket could beat Bush. I think it's pretty solid that Dean with be the nom. I just hope the Clark doesn't let his ego get in the way of the greater good and I hope he accepts VP. For his first forray into politics, VP ain't bad. ;) I truly hope he takes it.

[killbotfactory]

2. Dean/Clark = 16 year democratic reign

Just my humble take on it.

[webkev]

3. Lock this thread.

there has to be some rule against posting fake polls stats I'm sure

I'm not sure if it's over confidence or arrogance, but something about somebody posting something like this I find quite annoying
Clark and Dean are evenly matched..
nobody knows what is going to happen..

[Goldmund]

12. How is this a poll?

[hlthe2b]

22. Come on now... let's not overreact...

This is the poster's opinion and I think that is pretty clear...


Obligatory qualifier: I've not yet committed to a Dem candidate, so I've got no "dog in this fight."

[Selwynn]

54. Welcome to DU - now please continue to lecture the community..

On what we should and shouldn't say. Make it post 47.

[AWD]

57. LOL!

Nice one, Selwynn......geez, trying to cry like a baby and pray for rules that don't exist is pretty over the top, huh?

[ohiosmith]

19. The right would never let it to happen. Remember 11/22/63?

They were facing another four years of JFK followed by eight by Bobby.

[creativelcro]

37. Absolutely...

[Josh]

55. Clark was born in 1944 -

if he has to run in 2012 after two years of Dean's presidency, he'll be 68 years old when he's sworn in. Reagan was 69 when he was sworn in, but I think a lot of people remember the "I can't remember" answers during the Iran-Contra hearings and will be skeptical about electing someone the same age.

[robsul82]

5. I AM a betting man (no limit Texas Hold'em's my game)...

...but ANYWAY, lol, all this stuff with Clark saying "I don't want to be VP" is what EVERYONE says. Hell, Edwards has practically been running for VP barring a youth tidalwave of support (that went to Dean) from the beginning, and I'm sure you could dig up "I don't want to be VP" from him too. I don't see how Dean's #1 draft pick wouldn't be Clark. There's also Edwards and Graham, but I think Clark would be #1 on the list, definitely.

Later.

RJS

[cid]

23. I think for Clark is Pres or nothing..i dont believe he will accept a VP

slot..just my opinion..

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. No,

Clark was asked..point blank...If Dean wins the nomination would you be his VP? Clark said NO. He has been asked that numerous times and he will not be Dean's VP. It's all or nothing.

[CityZen-X]

6. In The Voice Of "Slingblade"

I kinda like the way you talk!

[random]

7. In your dreams...

Clark would be insulted at the prospect, Howard Dean nomination = 4 more years of chimpy. Having said that, I'll grudgingly vote for Dean if he wins the nomination, but we're still DOOMED!

[BellTry]

32. I can see you truly want Bush out in 04...

All you want is Clark. If you can't have Clark you'd ALMOST rather have Bush judging by how excited you are at the prospect of either having 1. Bush or 2. Dean. Seems to be a tough call for you.

This attitude some of you Clark supporters have is pathetic. I'm glad your guy isn't going to make it if this is how Clarks supporters are going to act.

[caledesi]

42. We are not doomed. We are going to win (again) and show

these thugs in the WH what leadership and governing is about.

[Droopy]

8. I wouldn't mind seeing that

But do you think Clark would be willing to play second fiddle to Dean?
I saw both of these candidates on tv today and I have to say that I was impressed by both.

[caledesi]

56. To be honest, I really don't know about Clark accepting the VP

spot. We will see because that is my dream team.

[AWD]

58. Who says he has to be???

People around here (not saying you, BTW) seem to think that the VP slot is some kind of consolation prize, when it actually can hold a LOT of power.

To steal your words here, does ANYBODY here think thatCheney is "second fiddle" to Bush????

Hell, the Repubs have the VP with a TON of power, why can't we do the same thing. Stop acting like the VP slot is a humiliation and put a STRONG man in that slot!

Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean is unbeatable...two VERY strong candidates with a LOT for the Repukes to be afraid of!

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. One thing's definitely for sure...

A Clark - Cheney debate would NOT be a repeat of the "ol' drinking buddies" atmosphere of that "debate" between Holy Joe & Uncle Dick the last time around.

And I have little doubt that Dean will mop up the floor with the Shrubmonkey. But will the corporate media still declare the Idiot Son as the "winner", like they did at his completely pathetic showing against Gore in 2000?

[caledesi]

43. No, because Dean isn't "into" handlers. That was Gore's biggest

mistake. He should have "let it rip" and fought back with the thugs lies about him. He was too kind.

[_NorCal_D_]

10. 90% chance Dean will win the nomination?

Gimme a break.

[Padraig18]

18. 95%, even. n/t

[_NorCal_D_]

21. : (

B-)

[caledesi]

44. You have your break. Dean is the nominee. Get over it.

[MariaS]

11. I would be extremely disappointed

if The General agreed to be VP if he doesn't get the nomination. He is a leader not a follower and that is the reason I support him.

[Killarney]

15. If you support Clark

and he doesn't get the nomination... wouldn't you rather him be VP than nothing at all? If you want him involved in the running of our country so much, then VP should be better than nothing (assuming he doesn't get the nomination).

I would hope that he would take the VP spot for the greater good of beating Bush rather than sulking and being a sore loser. Now, THAT would be disappointing.

[alcuno]

13. I love them both, but the fact that Clark waited until September

to announce always bothered me. I know what he said about making up his mind and rolling new products out in the fall, but it still bugged me. Dean has been running for over a year; he's had time to organize and formulate policy positions.

I know the Clark people won't like it, but I've always felt that there was something more going on here; that Clark was perhaps doing this to give weight to the anti-Iraq-war position AND get his name recognition up.

Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean. I'm there.

[Bill of Rights]

35. His wife wouldn't let him

Clark wanted to get in the race earlier, but his wife, Gert, said, "No, we've done enough for our country." She had moved 31 times in 34 years and wanted to settle down. They are having their first grandchild soon.

Their son, Wesley Clark Jr., finally persuaded his mother to consent to his dad's aspirations. He said, "Do you want your grandchild to grow up under George Bush?" or something like that. Future Grandma said, "No," and told Wesley he could do what he wanted to do.

[Bombtrack]

14. Dean doesn't consistently win any of the post-IA+NH primary polls

so there is absolutely nothing to base the 90 percent on.

Clark can win the majority of the Feb 3 primaries, he can win Georgia and California on Super Tuesday, and if they make it past that, he'll clobber Dean a week later on 3/8(TX, MS, LA, and FL)

Thank god for the south

[Texas_Dem]

16. Wes Clark is not running for VP

He is going to win the nomination, and then the Presidency.

[webkev]

17. damn straight

[Auntie Bush]

24. Clark need not consider VP

When Clark gets 2nd in NH, gets first or second in SC...the press will no longer be able to ignore him...and then he will surge to first place and WIN the election! So NO need to even discuss VP.

[creativelcro]

38. Bullshit....

[nborders]

20. I would really like to see that

Clark is a doer, not sure if that makes the best President. I look at him as a friendly Cheney, one who can get stuff done.

The office of VP was radically changed by Clinton/Gore. The VP has now become the "man who gets things done".

I don't think Clark, or Dean for that matter should be insulted for the offer of VP.

~n

[opihimoimoi]

25. Its a Team Effort. If Dean gets the nom, he should look at all the

candidates for assistance/involvement. It would be their option.

The real goal is to get this Nation back on track and we start with the Shrubs removal(victory at the polls).

[Ksec]

26. I doubt that. Clark would upstage Dean and steal his fire.

Gephart would be a better choice because of his union ties and experience running Gov. Now Im a Clark man, but I dont see him going Vice. Reverse it and Clark wins, Im betting on Graham. Fla would be ours.

[w4rma]

41. Clark isn't stealing Dean's fire now. Why would he in the White House? nt

[Ksec]

45. Clarks campaign is new. Its gonna be a whole new ballgame in a month

[kaitykaity]

27. Two things stick out here.

1. Gore endorses Dean.
2. Gore's people surrounding Clark.

I don't think these things are unrelated. JMHO.
:evilgrin:

In politics, nothing happens by accident.
If it happened, you can bet it was planned that
way. FDR

[retyred]

28. You noticed that too huh?

All is not lost grasshopper!


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[mzmolly]

29. OY, I hope so...!

It's funny how us 'lefties' would support Clark as the VP, but I sure would!

He would help the Dean campaign greatly. Clark is like the putty that fills in the holes and makes a victory inevitable. :toast:

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. That would be more like

Dean riding into the oval office on Clark's coattails. The General isn't a coattails kind of guy. JMCPO

[kaitykaity]

49. I agree with you.

Does it really matter, as long as we get rid of the
criminals in there now? :hi:

[pruner]

52. what does the CP in JMCPO stand for?

:shrug:

[kaitykaity]

53. "Just My Considered Personal Opinion"

I think. :shrug:

[mb7588a]

31. 90%? Please.

Who signs your check as a political consultant? There has yet to be a vote cast.

One thing you should know as a political consultant is that 9 months (the time until the nomination) is a long long long time in politics. I don't think you can say NINETY percent until at least some of the bigger swing states (PA, Ohio, FL, CA etc) have had their primaries...

Even if I were a Dean supporter I wouldn't agree with you. Its just too early.

[Dems Will Win]

34. The 90% is just a metaphor but true because the others have to stop

Dean and since he is clearly going to take Iowa and NH and then he has hundreds of thousands of volunteers already working for him in every state and many of the most populous counties, he is far ahead in organization, money and now the Gore endorsement. This is just how all the people I know in the Upstate NY Democratic Party are talking today about the race.

The Gore endorsement is gold in terms of undecideds but just as important, if not more so, it makes it much easier for Congressmen and Mayors and State representatives to endorse Dean and each and every one of them actually has a vote at the convention (796 Super-Delegates this time). Dean's main obstacle to the nomination was those Super-Delegates. Now he will get the lion's share of them as well.

Look at my own Congressional District as a microcosm of what's happening. In my county, one of 4 in the district, there were 4 Dean Meetups on Dec. 3, and a total of 145 people showed up--the December before the election! THe other candidates haven't even gotten started here yet (NY) and Dean has 145 volunteers. Every single one said they would write at least 5 letters and many piped up they would write a hell of lot more than that!

Then the Congressman endorsed Dean and said you can have my whole machine for the primary and we'll run together in the general. So then Dean has that plus he'll have way more money than the others when NY rolls around. So he will easily take this district in a landslide--unless of course he's arrested for child molestation in the school playground (as we say in the consulting biz).

This will happen all over the country--and in the south though admittedly he will not win as big there as he will in the north.

As for Clark not saying he wants the VP--they all say that. He is the perfect VP for Dean as he will be put in charge of carrying out the counter-terrorism and Iraq situations. Like he said tonight--he resolved the conflicts in Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo and Bush/Cheney screwed it up in Afghanistan and Iraq and are making deals on the side.

Hey there is still the metaphorical 10% that Dean could lose to Clark, or maybe Edwards (Pardon me you Edwardians bit that is doubtful). And Kerry went from 12% to 20% in the last NH poll (Clark 8% in that poll).

But with Gore's endorsement and everything else Dean has going for him including those huge unions--he's almost surely going to win the nomination and Clark, being in politics for 8 weeks would certainly take the post, as being VP means you're in the Oval Office too, plus it's the catbird seat for becoming President yourself some day.

Anyone in politics for 8 weeks is not going to turn down a VP offer--come on. He doesn't have the vested time in campaigns to turn it down.

Dean/Clark '04 = Bush/Cheney Out the Door

[IronLionZion]

36. I thought the mother of all debates would be Clark vs. Bush and

Dean vs. Cheney. Can't you just imagine how good that would be? AWOL boy trying to make the NATO Supreme commander look soft on Defense. And Dean will destroy Cheney on the Halliburton deals. He'll give Cheney a heart attack!

A lot of people are influenced solely on the debates but whatever, Dean/Clark is good too. We need to concentrate on defeating Bush now, regardless of who wins the nomination.

[mb7588a]

48. Personally I want to see Max Cleland show Cheney the door.

That would make me so happy.

"You know how many boys have ended up like me or worse, and how much your pockets are being lined by this?!"

Oh. My. God. I would laugh hysterically at the look on Cheney's face. I bet he wouldn't be able to look Max in the eye.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

39. They need a place for Lieberman, then we cant truly have the D.L.C.

:puke:

[caledesi]

40. OMG! I love it. My dream team Dean/Clark - unbeatable. nt

[sweetheart]

46. Then get dennis kucinich

as attourney general charged with reducing addiction through a radial rethink of the drugs war, and i'd join a dean/clark/dk coalition. If you could get graham and hart and jerry brown, clinton(s) on board, i would also open back door negotiations with maccain to offer moderate republicans peace-posts in a new administration.. even better.

[mrdmk]

47. i put this on gnn the other day

For a win other than Bush, a Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean ticket need to be in place. This will definitely take the wind out of the neocons, theocratic and the bully lairs sails. These two men together are smart, have enough influence and maybe have the will to correctly fix the errors of the Bush Jr, Administration. This is not a perfect fix for the corporate take over, but it will be a start (or slow it down to a acceptable/maintainable standard) for the common folk to have a chance in this world. A Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean (don’t care) is what the nation and the world need to put United States of America on a positive track.

Kucinich, God bless him for is probably a person with the most honesty, progressive and interested in the benefit for the common folk. If elected President he would best for this nation as a whole, but Congress as it stands would try to eat him alive and may succeed. A better solution for Kucinich and the Nation would be House Majority Leader to undo the damage and move forward in a short amount of time. Kucinich would be a great President with a progressive Congress. Something we need to work on now for the future.

The rest of the Democratic field seems like politicians coming up short on policy. They have some ideas to contribute, but not a full agenda.

The Bush Administration will not last forever. Death dictates that. The more this group of people are in power, the more common folk all over the world will suffer, this is a given. The best we can do to defeat this damming situation is let our views be known. We need to talk, write, gather in groups that say “we do care what is happening here”. In addition, we need to get people to vote. That will get the government to listen to the people.

[TexasSissy]

50. Both Clark & Dean are #1 men.

Which means that NEITHER would be a running mate. They strictly go for the top spot.

[kaitykaity]

51. That's why I like them.

I think both would be willing to put the needs of the
country ahead of their own personal agenda(s). I think
they will find a way to split things up where they will have
the same kind of relationship that Clinton/Gore had.
(Gore was a very powerful VP. Not like the puppet-master
Cheney, but . . . )