Presidential Debate #2

[Pastiche423]

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[Pastiche423]

1. Continued from

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=861960

[rbnyc]

2. Kucinch answer on choice...

...very good.

My own note: I think his evolution of thought is an advantage because he knows WHY he's pro-choice.

[Rainbowreflect]

5. I feel the same way.

I am totally pro-choice, but I respect how he came to his beliefs. I also like how he pulls birth control, sex education, child care, prenatal care, living wage and many other issues into this issue. Because they are all connected.

[rbnyc]

15. glad you made that point. (nt)

[robsul82]

3. Joey Joe Joe...

...attacking hard on jobs. Positivity for Lieberman!

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

4. Whoa...

Koppel asking the longshots (Sharpton, Carol, DK) when they're gonna quit. Ha!

Later.

RJS

[SahaleArm]

6. It's not funny - It's sad really.

Koppel is an a**.

[robsul82]

11. "Ha!" isn't a laugh, it's disbelief.

Sorry. :(

Later.

RJS

[rbnyc]

9. Sharpton's answer was great!

ANd so is Dennis's. I'm glad they have a chance to answer these foul concerns, because a lot of people think like Ted, and they need to wake up.

[Moderator]

7. C-SPAN Debate Thread #1 Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=861960&mesg_id=861960

[kayleybeth]

8. Fundraising

Koppel says Carol, Dennis and Rev. Al have almost no money.

Rev. Al: the American people want candidates with ideas, not money. Big round of applause. "If money's gonna win this, then * is gonna win it."

Good point.

[MoonAndSun]

14. Dennis K kicks ass!!!

put a slam on Koppell!!

[frank frankly]

33. Koppel just told CMB, Kucinich, Sharpton they had no money

Kucinich said he had raised 4 million and gawd Ted didn't like it

[kayleybeth]

10. Go DK

He really does have some great ideas.

[Jackhammer Jesus]

18. Yeah, that was great.

"We started talking about endorsements, then polls, then money." What about the issues?

[Renew Deal]

12. Kucinich just slapped aroung Ted.

[mandyky]

19. Yeehaw, Dennis does it again!

Give the media hell, Denace the Menace (said with utmost respect and awe).

[Skip Intro]

21. Saaaaaalam!

Go DK!

[SahaleArm]

24. Yep - Calling out media orchestration!

[robsul82]

13. And Dennis J. Kucinich just...

...stomped a mudhole in Ted Koppel and walked it dry.

Later.

RJS

[never cry wolf]

16. The questions are crap

but now I know why I am still undecided. I am proud of every damn one of these fine candidates, except that they all should have raised their hands at the start and Howard should have responded by saying any of them could and should beat shrub's lying ass.

[rbnyc]

20. you're right about that. (nt)

[chimpymustgo]

17. DK just won the debate: look at where the media is taking the debate.

We're talking about endorsements, we're talking about polls, we're talking about money - and we're not talking about health care...

Damn!

[VolcanoJen]

23. Dennis brought the house down!!!! Yea!!!!

:D :D :D

[robsul82]

27. The roof, the roof, oh yes, the roof is on fire.

Let that motherKERRY! burn. ;)

Later.

RJS

[kayleybeth]

22. Carol is awesome

Damn I wish she had a better chance.

[xultar]

25. I knew that the endorsement would backfire because the candidates

now are taking off their gloves. Since it is a foregone conclusion they are getting down to it.

THAT IS AWESOME
I LOVE DENNIS KUCINICH
I LOVE WESLEY CLARK
I LOVE AL SHARPTON

I knew this would be good!!!!

[Patriot_Spear]

32. lol... Whatever.

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Kucinich kissed ass!

That was awesome.

[rbnyc]

28. kissed? (nt)

[Toxictoaster]

43. Koppel's an idiot.

But I can't remember--was he the guy that had the yelling match (low key, but pretty rancorous) with GB I back in the day?

[VolcanoJen]

30. Kucinich *kissed* ass? :-)

Slow down, turbo!

;-)

Dude, for the sake of fun, please don't edit your subject line. :-) That was classic!!

[trumad]

31. God I can't wait until there's only a couple

left....

[minkyboodle]

29. Best moment of any debate so far

Dennis rocked the house on that. Took it right to Koppel called him on and then raised issues not touched on yet. Got an unbelievable
response from the audience. Wow.. it would be nice to see that moment in the news highlights later tonight.... I ain't gonna hold my breath though.
Scott

[mandyky]

34. Hehehe, Koppel pulled a Daily Democrat

and Kerry blew it

[robsul82]

35. Nice question from Koppel.

And Kerry ducks it. Great. "What has Dean done right?" "Shove your polls." Huh?

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

36. I LOVE KERRY!!!!! YEAHHH HOOO!!! I HEAR A BACKFIRE!!!! n/t

[Cush]

37. Kerry: ....I'd could tell you where to take your polls

"THis has to stop".....Ted wants it to be all Dean

[rbnyc]

38. I like what Edwards said about Lobbyists. (nt)

[kayleybeth]

44. Agreed!

"Take the 'for sale' sign off the white house!"

[kayleybeth]

52. Trick question for Dean

"When is it okay for a pres. to lie to the American people". I think that answer might come back to haunt him.

[kayleybeth]

39. Kerry

came pretty close to telling Koppel to shove it up his ass. LOL!

[xultar]

48. What do you mean he did tell him to shove it up his ass!!! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. OMG!!!

What has Dean done right? What the hell kind of question is THAT????
Shiiiiit! Where are the ISSUE questions???? This SUCKS!

[Jackhammer Jesus]

41. Kerry: "Ted, if I were an impolite person..."

"I'd tell you where you can stick your polls."

Don't hold back, John - we want a president that cusses like a sailor! :P

[Kathleen04]

55. Loved that answer...

but then why does he start talking about stuff in water?..it just sounds so random; he needs some better segues.

[greyl]

42. Koppel is being a total ass!

and the audience knows it. What a piece of crap.


I want to see the next strategy be to gang up on the debate moderator.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. No kidding

he deserves it. :grr:

[Papa]

45. Yes yes yes yes... keep attacking the media !!!!

Finally the candidates are taking it out on the media. they should continue this if they want to win.

[greyl]

83. I agree, damn straight. Now that's entertainment!

And of course a terribly valid issue that affects the minds of America.

[CatWoman]

91. That's what I say Papa

The media is trying to start that bullshit they pulled in 2000, with the alpha male, Love Canal, how do they comb their hair bullshit.

And the Dems are standing up and fighting back.

This is great shit.

[robsul82]

46. What would it hurt Kerry to have ANSWERED KOPPEL'S QUESTION?

Answer that one.

Later.

RJS

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. Why should he

have to stand up there and talk about DEAN when he would RATHER talk about himself. :eyes:

[Hoppin_Mad]

65. Yes - and I'm a Dean supporter >

and I don't see why any of them should let Ted manipulate them into talking about Dean instead of THEIR issues.

I like Ted on Nightfline, but he's asking crap questions

[robsul82]

73. I think it was more a reference to...

Kerry attacking Dean fervently at every past debate rather than go kiss Dean's ass.

Later.

RJS

[Myra]

47. Kerry just told Koppel to stuff his polls!

I guess Koppel doesn't realize there are real issues.
All he cares about is $/polls $/polls $/polls. Whore!

[elcondor]

49. Is Sprauding's voice freaking out anyone else?

He sounds vaguely like Robert Kennedy (speech pattern and tone). Close your eyes--please tell me I'm not the only one who hears it . . . :silly:

[caledesi]

51. I am a Dean supporter and have always liked Koppel, but tonight

I would like to slap him. He's basically telling everyone else "give it up already. You don't have any $ low in polls etc. Then he started that sh*t about "what is HD doing right?"

Shut up Ted! Remember this is coming from a Dean supporter!!

[creativelcro]

61. Koppel is a disgrace...

what kind of questions is he asking ? Who gives a shit about campaign strategis ????

[drfemoe]

76. great response by KERRY !!!

it is about time the candidates refuse to be drawn into junior high gossip sludge.

[VolcanoJen]

53. My father just text-messaged me!

It read:

"Ted Koppel is a dick."

LMFAO... Dad rules!!
Jennifer

[Patriot_Spear]

54. too funny...

n/t

[Kathleen04]

62. haha n/t

[greyl]

113. Haha! go dad! :) nt

[killbotfactory]

56. Koppel is sucking

I'm glad the candidates are calling him on it.

[JustJoe]

57. I nominate Ted Koppel

as the biggest egotistical buttwipe of the year.

[dsc]

58. I won't declare a winner yet

but I sure know who the loser is Ted Koppel. What a crock his questions are.

[greyl]

68. Yup, this one's pretty close

except for the media whore Koppel floating on his turd way out at sea.

[SahaleArm]

59. OK dumbest question ever just asked to Dean

:puke:

[rbnyc]

63. He handled it well. (nt)

[robsul82]

66. That question SUCKED.

I mean...wow. "When should the president lie to the public?" How should someone even APPROACH that.

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

64. Kerry did the right thing...The nomination is a foregone conclusion

and the media are trying to rub the other candidate faces in it. But, instead of allowing it they are fighting back. It is making ABD candidates look strong. The endorsement backfired! YEAH HOO!!!

[killbotfactory]

67. When will they ask Dean a good question?

"When is it okay for the president to lie?"

Sheesh.

[Patriot_Spear]

71. When the cameras aren't on him... n/t

[creativelcro]

72. Write to Keppel and tell him he's an idiot!

[drfemoe]

89. They have to fuel the divided democrat goal

that's what they want .. all they want .. make them fight each other so *u*h gets ignored.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. Clark on loose nukes!

20,000 nuclear weapons. Inadequately guarded. We need to work with Russia...

[Jackhammer Jesus]

82. Good job putting it into context with Iraq...

"We can do more for national security in this country by putting a billion dollars into nonproliferation efforts than we can by putting another billion into Iraq."

[DemNoir]

70. Poor Ted

Looks like he waited a year to long to retire. This has to be the most embarrasing night of his career.

[greyl]

102. fuck poor ted. :) nt

[Myra]

74. Thanks for that post Pastiche423. Graphics are brutal.

eom

[kayleybeth]

75. Clark

"We can get more security from spending a billion dollars on finding loose nukes in Russia than from spending another billion on Iraq". Go Clark!

[xultar]

79. GO CLARK!! GO CLARK!!! GO CLARK!!! N/T

[TrueAmerican]

77. When does Clark get a question that doesn't have anything to do

with national security?

[SahaleArm]

90. The media won't give him one on policy specifics - Media Orchestration...

at its finest.

[Kool Kitty]

101. He won't in this debate,

because whoever question-boy is sitting next to Ted already said that Clark's not listening to the people, so he makes a point of only asking foreign policy stuff so he can say tomorrow-see, Clark has no idea what you want, all he talks about is foreign policy. Not for nothin' but this is a bullshit debate. I'm glad it's on CSPAN, hopefully not many are watching it.

[Kathleen04]

78. Why are all the q's about the campaigns? n/t

[frank frankly]

80. ah, Holy Joe giving a plug to ABC

how incredibly out of it you are, Joe

weren't you listening to DK, stoopid?

WE KNOW ABOUT THE MEDIA. THE GIG IS UP, CORRUPT POS BASTARDS!

[creativelcro]

81. oh less structure now....

[Myra]

84. Finally a good question to Clark, and he gave a great answer.

And right now Kerry is shinning. I love his candor.

[chimpymustgo]

94. Kerry is extremely Presidential. Kicking butt.

Detailed, informed answers - humor. I am so proud of these guys.

[slinkerwink]

85. when will we actually get to talk about issues?!?!?!?!

[robsul82]

86. I think we need another lock.

Yeah.

Later.

RJS

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. Iraq

Wolfowitz memorandum...no memeber who is not coalition will not get any contracts in Iraq.
Kerry. "Dumb stupid. We are at greater risk now. Transfer authority in Iraq." Insulted by Bush's campaign ad that questions the dems for questioning the administration. GOOD answer.

[maddezmom]

88. Kerry answer on the Iraq contracts is wonderful

we are really dividing ourselves from the world.

[creativelcro]

93. yup

[frank frankly]

92. Kerry is lights out tonight

they are all doing great (except Joe)

and they aren't going to take it from the media anymore

i swear DK broke the media tonight

[kayleybeth]

95. Koppel is doing a lousy job

in my opinion. I usually like him on Nightline but he is sucking tonight.

[chimpymustgo]

98. OOh Howie...Vermont/Iraq/Iraq/Vermont.

Shouldn't have tried to make a joke.

Stinker.


edited for spelling

[Myra]

96. In the second *half* of the debate, their starting to ask real questions.

Belatedly.

[creativelcro]

Dean Rocks!

[in_cog_ni_to]

97. Dean

on Iraq. We can't apponit the leaders. Need an election. Model after Afghanistan.

[Kathleen04]

99. Dean accidently calling Iraq "Vermont'..woops.. n/t

[slinkerwink]

109. yep, looks like Dean was ready to talk about health care/education/jobs

in Vermont, but still hadn't adjusted his mind to that question koppel asked.

[SahaleArm]

111. If you've been to VT you would understand the confusion

:evilgrin:

[robsul82]

100. Koppel's letting Dean go way over a minute.

Are we still under that?

Later.

RJS

[chimpymustgo]

103. What is HoHo saying? Less troops, more troops?

wow.

[killbotfactory]

104. Maybe because it's the first real question he's been given

Though I think this segment is different.

[creativelcro]

105. WAY over a minute....

[Kathleen04]

106. Maybe this is the new free structure...

Is that Kucinich trying to say 'Ted'?...probably because this is sort of unfair.

Edit: Okay, I guess he's letting everyone have alot more time.

[Cush]

107. I think so

Ted keeps asking different questions during the answers

[kayleybeth]

108. Drink!

DK mentioned his web site!

[trumad]

110. Again

[kayleybeth]

114. I must have missed it the first time n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

112. Kucinich

bush must give up control of oil..Halliburton....privatizing....turn over governance. Get out of Iraq..get UN in...provide reparations for what we blew up.

[Moderator]

115. Please continue in C-SPAN Debate Thread #3

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=862586