Presidential Debate #3.

[robsul82]

Put it all here, guys.

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

1. *kick*

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

2. Hey, I'm noticing something, Dean should have asked Gore to wait

to endorsement because now he is in the position to have to show why he deserves the nomination instead of talking about his ideas. He's not on tonight. The endorsement thtough him off!!

[beyurslf]

3. dk is on fire! n/t

[Rowdyboy]

6. Kucinich and Kerry stuck it to Koppel

big time! Magnificent. What stupid shit questions!

[drfemoe]

32. yeah that was great .. I hope they keep that up

and quit letting the media stir up sh*t fights.

[Rainbowreflect]

7. He is so passionate about what he believes and how

important the REAL issues are.

[xultar]

11. YES HE IS, the endorsement made him angry and he is good

when he is angry. Dean is forced to defend his front-runner status instead of hammering his message home. In addition, there is no fear in any of the candidates. It is fantastic!

That is gonna make things so difficult for Dean.

[loudnclear]

Kucinich is the man!!! I've been saying this for months!

But I fear he won't win the nomination.

[robsul82]

4. He's perfectly fine.

You're imagining things.

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

12. robsul82

Later.

TLA

[robsul82]

18. Nice answer.

:nopity:

Later.

RJS

[drfemoe]

16. he may need some rest

He's been on a grueling schedule .. not what I was hoping to see tonight ..

They all look pretty darn good though.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

120. funny.. I was thinking Dean looks better tonight than usual

go figure!

[Myra]

5. DK just said Chimpy needs to let go of the oil in Iraq!

He's got balls!
Can't say you're against war and for occupation.

[JohnKleeb]

22. Now the feelings are starting to get better

Dennis, win or lose the primary dude, I admire you the most, and maybe one of these guys will find a job for you in their adminstration.

[TennesseeWalker]

8. "Afghanistan is the model we should follow in Iraq"

Interesting....I know the idea for the initial stab at government, the Loya Jirga, was fairly sound, but Afghanistan is currently a mess due to mismanagement by the Shrubbites.

[drfemoe]

84. I wasn't thrilled w/ that answer

but he clarified he meant elections and then constitution ..
I think he needs some rest.

[Moderator]

9. C-SPAN Debate Threads 1 and 2 Here:

GD - C-SPAN Debate Thread #1

GD - C-SPAN Debate Thread #2

[killbotfactory]

10. Dean: "Bush personalized policy differences"

Yep.

[xultar]

13. SHARPTON!!! SHARPTON!!!! SHARPTON!!! SHARPTON!!! n/t

[lfairban]

19. How can you support the occupation and say the invation was wrong.

In response to Dean. That is like calling the cops to say someone has broken into your house, but the people can stay.

[xultar]

37. AMEN BRUVA! n/t

[TennesseeWalker]

14. Sharpton KICKS ASS.

More truth there than the government wants you to hear. Lieberman should switch parties.

[Myra]

28. Sharpton is so witty and brilliant!

Witty and brilliant!
Can't even type fast enough to record all his kick ass remarks.

Retort to Holy Joe, I did talk to god; I'll tell you his response in private.

[kayleybeth]

30. Sharpton is great

Gotta love the Reverend. That's why I don't want him to drop out yet. He brings so much to the debates, and he can get away with saying a lot of things the others can't. Go Al!

[rbnyc]

33. He rocks! (nt)

[xultar]

15. Joe is sticking to his message. I respect him for that! n/t

[Renew Deal]

17. That's it. Joe is a Repuke. "Axis of Evil"

[TennesseeWalker]

20. Lieberman - "Axis of Evil"

He used Frum's long dead term. *SIGH*

[Patriot_Spear]

21. I loathe Lieberman. "Axis of Evil" Jesus...

he can't get his facts straight on Iraq and his voting record proves he's lying through his teeth right now.

[elcondor]

23. Lieberman just said "Axis of Evil"

*bangs-head-against-desk* Why did I ever defend this man?

[creativelcro]

26. heard that: BUSHLITE

[David Zephyr]

24. Lieberman is Fluent in Bushspeak: "Axis of Evil"

Good grief.

[VolcanoJen]

25. Lieberman's on. Zzzzzz.....

:boring:

[Myra]

39. Good chance to go to the can.

eom

[Renew Deal]

27. Joe just said: We are going to win bby capturing and killing every

terrorist we can find.

[beyurslf]

Axis of Evil?

Who let the Repukes into our debate?

[Cush]

yeah, then he talking about winning people over....

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[elcondor]

64. There are many Israelis who

don't believe that. We shouldn't say an entire citizenry believes a certain way because their leader is a putz.

[Patriot_Spear]

76. I'm sure that's true...

But the History of Israel is covered in blood. God help them.

[greyl]

29. stfu Joe!

you dingleberry. How many sides of his face does he have to talk out of?

[Patriot_Spear]

31. Lieberman or Bush*- God that would be a devil's choice.

Die by the sword or by poison.

[rbnyc]

53. So glad that will NEVER happen! (nt)

[killbotfactory]

34. How can we abandon a country we destroyed?

Enough with the damn rhetoric, people's lives are at stake here. We destroyed Iraq, and if we pull out now everyone will be worse off. We can't pull out until the UN agrees to step in.

[greyl]

52. False dilemma.

The choice isn't between occupation or abandonment.

Dennis can explain...
edit: or Dean or Clark...or Carol probably

[killbotfactory]

62. Sharpton and Dennis don't seem to see the problem

Everyone wants to turn this into an international force, but they seem to think we can just pull out immediatly. I don't agree.

[greyl]

You may be correct.

I'm not certain on what my strategy would be yet. :)

But it is a false dilemma, nevertheless.

[minkyboodle]

35. wow Koppel coming with the straight up imperialist question

We need Iraq's oil. Those who oppose us possessing it are niave. DId I get that right Ted? jesus he is bad.
Scott

[milkyway]

36. Somebody should tell Lieberman there's no Republican debates this year. nt

[Patriot_Spear]

42. LMAO... good one. n/t

[Terwilliger]

heh! Clark say Bremer working for Kissinger

:D

[maddezmom]

47. did Bremmer used to work for Kissinger?

I think he meant bring him back from Iraq to do his old job.

[kayleybeth]

40. Did Clark just say bring back Henry Kissinger??

SAy it ain't so!!!!!!!!!!

[laruemtt]

45. he meant it as a joke

.

[Myra]

49. NO, he didn't. He said Bremer could go back to work for Kissinger.

Then he said we shouldn't occupy countries to steal their natural resources; we should buy them on the world market!!!!

I salute you General!

[roughsatori]

50. I just logged on to see if I heard that too

I know I must have heard it wrong. If any one else knows the quote regarding Kissinger I would appreciate it.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

51. It Ain't So

He jokingly said Paul Bremer should come back from Iraq and work for Kissinger again.

DTH

[kayleybeth]

71. Whew!!!

<wiping forehead with back of hand>
Thanks for clearing that up!

[David Zephyr]

41. Dean and Clark Agree on How to Exit Iraq.

If this isn't orchestrated, it certainly looks like it.

And this is a good thing, folks.

Dean/Clark 2004.

[beyurslf]

67. lieberman just said no timeline to leave iraq

[TennesseeWalker]

Clark is really, really good. (n/t)

[TennesseeWalker]

43. Clark is really, really good. (n/t)

[kayleybeth]

54. I agree

But then I'm just a *little* biased since I was part of the Draft Clark movement waaaaaaay back when :-)

[TennesseeWalker]

65. I'm up for any combination of Clark/Dean.

I respect my man Al Gore. If he thinks Dean can win, I believe him. But both my mind and heart say Clark can do it.

[VolcanoJen]

44. Clark: "I don't believe in occupying countries just to acquire their...

... natural resources."

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Lieberman....yawn. Clark up.

Iraq. there's an innocence in saying we don't need it. Where will we get the oil? Early exit is retreat or defeat and neither is acceptable. International organization. Nato..mobile intelligience driven. There's no in-state...where is it? We need a strong Iraq but not too strong. I'm the only one who has done this! :bounce: won't let Ted interrupt him! You can't just extract natural resourses...you need to buy them. Damn, he's good! He KNOWS foreign policy like no ther politician I've ever seen!

[xultar]

48. U dont' occupy to take you should buy natural resources! YES!

Clark has a strategy for exit that won't be a defeat or surrender!

WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN WES WILL WIN

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

55. Clark is announcing himself as Imperial Warlord

"I've worked Haiti, I've worked Bosnia, I'm the only one that knows how to do this" - hate to say it, but the "activist base" doesn't want to hear the truth about the American empire.

[Cush]

60. Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo.....

are part of an American Empire?

[creativelcro]

61. Always bothers me....

[SahaleArm]

66. Doesn't want an international coalition and Iraqi self-determination?

Were we listening to the same debate?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

79. Clark could dismantle the empire

I think that's what he's trying to get across. I'm not saying he really wants to end imperialism, but he knows how it works - Haiti is a perfect example - he's been a major architect of it.

[TennesseeWalker]

102. Marcus Aurelius?

:) Kerry just attempted to "put Clark in his place".....regarding Kosovo, Haiti, etc. Clinton/Albright/Holbrooke invoked, but not Al Gore.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

69. Your Title Made Me Laugh

:-)

DTH

[killbotfactory]

56. Clark, Kerry and Kucinich are doing good

Dean's only had one good question so far.

[kayleybeth]

They haven't given Dean much of a chance tonight

Is it just me, or did Dean get way fewer questions than the other candidates tonight?

[slinkerwink]

57. Gephardt keeps raising his hands----is he trying to go to heaven?

sure looks like it to me with his body language ;-)

[xultar]

68. Gep is signaling the Lord to come down and save his ass n/t

[Kool Kitty]

70. Maybe he has to go to the bathroom.

[slinkerwink]

77. ha!

;-)

[VolcanoJen]

58. Guys, if you can... turn off your sig graphics for our dial-up friends!

Be phriendly...

:-)

[Myra]

72. Thank you! Please turn off graphics everyone!!!

eom

[creativelcro]

74. TOLD YOU SO

[robsul82]

59. There's our second bomb of the evening.

Good job, Dick.

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

63. I like your "Later RJS" it's kute n/t

[Renew Deal]

73. Bushism from Clark: Iraq is part of a region.

[Myra]

81. Of course it's part of a region; the middle east region. No Bushism there

[Myra]

83. Of course it's part of a region; the middle east region. No Bushism there

eom

[drfemoe]

75. maybe it's just me

but I really think they are playing off each other's strengths tonight.
BRAVO !! :thumbsup:

[creativelcro]

78. they have to unite against the stupid

moderators :)

[VolcanoJen]

85. Can't blame 'em.

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[xultar]

91. CAROL!!!! CAROL!!! CAROL!!! CAROL!!! CAROL!!! CAROL!!! n/t

[kayleybeth]

100. Isn't she great?! n/t

[Renew Deal]

80. Yep

They are united tonight. Interesting.

[beyurslf]

88. CMB is on target as usual. She always hits it just right!

[xultar]

82. Agreed!!!! n/t

[Myra]

89. Smart swarms. Ditto on the bravo!

eom

[slinkerwink]

86. ugh---Clark gets all MILITARY questions-they're making him a one-note guy

Seriously, where are the good questions?!?!?!!??!

[SahaleArm]

95. Welcome to media orchestration 101

They won't toss him a domestic policy question, he kicks butt in person. Look at how they're painting Dean...

[Patriot_Spear]

87. Edwards using the Fear strategy... I'm not impressed.

"...Terrorist cells all over this country..." geez.

[beyurslf]

97. Every time I see CMB I think that if we put

candidates ideas on paper and had to read them she would be President. She continues to impress me more and more.

[Patriot_Spear]

101. She's very articulate- I like her a lot... n/t

[Kathleen04]

106. If we ignore it...

we're going to lose. I don't believe the terrorist threat is fake. Bush* doesn't have a strategy for getting rid of it, although he portends to. I don't think this is about fear...we do need to actually accomplish something to keep us safer. And, Bush hasn't done it. I really do think all the Dems need to have this message.

[kayleybeth]

90. Huh huh huh

Edwards just said "human penetration". Huh huh.

Seriously though, I really like Edwards. He is my second choice after Clark right now. He reminds me of Clinton a lot.

[arcos]

92. CMB is amazing! n/t

[Kathleen04]

93. I like what Edwards and Braun are saying...

A real way to combat terrorism...using intelligence, something Bush hasn't done. We need to have a strong message about this, while pointing out that Bush* doesn't have the solutions.

[milkyway]

94. Bush is very weak on national security!!

Edwards going after chimp now. Clark, Dean and Dems are finally starting to realize that this is chimp's biggest vulnerability. He'll get us slaughtered again.

[Myra]

96. Carol M-B is doing fabulous. I'm impressed.

eom

[Myra]

104. Kerry just called her "Carol" - Isn't she "Ambassador Braun"?

Or is that title defunct? (Real question, not flame bait.)

[arcos]

113. she also said "John"... n/t

[beyurslf]

115. And she called him "John"

So what? They are friends.

[greyl]

105. She always seems to invoke a "pleasantly surprised" reaction

doesn't she? She'd be good to have in the Admin.

[xultar]

98. The other 8 ABD candidates are united. That is SWEET! n/t

[xultar]

103. DID KERRY SAY DISSSSSS. I LUV KERRY!!!!! n/t

[xultar]

107. DEAN just dropped BOMB! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

99. Congress.....

Congress' job to say when we go to war. Pay attention to the constitution. The prez needs permission to go to war...from congress. It's there for a reason. Congressmen would think twice before sending THEIR children to war! WTG CAROL!

[beyurslf]

109. Dean seems a bit off n/t

[Myra]

108. Good for Dean, looked at his watch, we're spending all our time on Iraq

What about domestic issues. Good quality to take charge.

[drfemoe]

114. it's time for them to give the media

what they have coming :puke:

[kayleybeth]

110. Dean trying to change the subject

off of Iraq. I must have missed something. Did he take a hit on an Iraq question?

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. Dean...he's tired of talking about Iraq.

He said they were wasting time on Iraq and they need to talk about domestic issues. He's giving his stump speech about it.

[Gloria]

112. CMB really kicked butt on behalf of the Constitution and war

resolutions.....Kerry, came back with Clinton having to go into Kosovo and Bosnia without approval, named the civilian leaders and said they had good judgment. Kerry did a great rant on Kyoto, etc. and our relationship with the world.

Clark/Kerry Kerry/Clark.......a great combo of foreign policy and Kerry's long domestic record.....

[creativelcro]

116. Koppel is a moron...

The first 45 mins were about nothing!!!!

[Myra]

117. It's absurd that these debates are so short.

If there are nine candidates they should expand the time.
Hell, they're only broadcasting it on CSPAN anyway.
That's what CSPAN's for!

[slinkerwink]

GREAT ANSWER by Dean-----we need to talk about dom. issues also!!!!!

[Moderator]

118. please continue at thread 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=862820

[VolcanoJen]

119. Please continue discussion in C-SPAN Debate Thread #4

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=862820

[drfemoe]

121. look at the camera Edwards

saying good stuff ..