Am I the only one who feels bad for Lieberman?

[kiahzero]

I mean, I don't like his policies at all. But he didn't even find out about Gore's endorsement until the media called, after he waited until Gore stepped out to enter the race.

I don't care what you think of the endorsement itself, but that just seems like an extremely disrespectful gesture.

[mmonk]

1. Yeah

I feel bad for him, but who knows, he may come out stronger.

[Jacobin]

2. Maybe Gore doesn't respect Holy Joe. I know I don't

[matcom]

3. yup. your the only one.

:D

[Mikimouse]

4. No more disrespectful than his backstabbing of Gore

in 2000. To receive respect, one must also give it. Lieberman can go jump in a lake, I have no sympathy for him.

[ibegurpard]

8. My sentiments exactly.

n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

49. Ditto.

[Phelan]

65. please elaborate

[xultar]

5. I do because Gore BIATCH slapped him. That wasn't right

Gore should have waited until after NH.

[Liberal Veteran]

21. Should unions have waited to endorse a candidate until then too?

Is anyone allowed to throw their support behind a candidate until New Hampshire has spoken in it's infinite wisdom?

[tameszu]

67. You will be singing a different tune if Hillary endorses a non-Dean

candidate. None of you--except maybe Will Pitt--seem to be completely aware of exactly how dangerous a precedent Gore has set.

But this is good for the Democratic Party. If Hillary or Bill get behind a non-Dean candidate, then I expect all of you Dean kids who are currently arguing that "Gore has the right to express his opinion like any other private citizen" will be good sports, if that happens.

[spooky3]

6. I agree with you, though we do not not know the whole story.

Maybe there are extenuating circumstances. But it certainly seems that at the very least, he should have called Lieberman and worked out a graceful way to make the announcement.

Unfortunately, I think the entire Gore campaign was fraught with errors in judgment (e.g., not utilizing Bill Clinton to get out the message and the vote). So it would not surprise me if this is simply another case of good intentions not executed well.

[kiahzero]

43. That's what I meant

But it certainly seems that at the very least, he should have called Lieberman and worked out a graceful way to make the announcement.

That's what I meant - he would have been nice to let him know before he announced it to the world.

[Liberal Veteran]

7. I feel nothing but contempt for Lieberman...

...he's a whiner who has only polled halfway decently in this race because he has the name recognition from the 2000 campaign. Whenever something doesn't go his way, he attacks his opponents, bashes his party, and undermines our message by whining about it on right wing hate radio.

[PaDUer]

23. Lieberman's a wannabe..

He thinks Gore owes him support, BS! Gore doesn't owe him anything. Lieberman should quit NOW! I do know there were many calls to Kennedy's office a couple weeks ago and many people were calling to let Kennedy know that they'd like Lieberman to step down.

[greyl]

9. No, there's 4 more. :) nt

[cjm2222]

10. I agree with you

It would have been courteous for Gore to call Lieberman.

[Zomby Woof]

11. fuck Lieberman

Remember how HE dissed Gore last year at this time??? How can anyone feel sorry for the shithole??? Gore owes Lieberman NOTHING.

He still doesn't get it. Wants it both ways - praises invading Iraq, and says Bush has mismanaged it. It was a foregone conclusion it would be mismanaged Lieberman, you dimwiited fascist fuckface.

[PaDUer]

12. Gore doesn't owe HolyJoe anything..

here's an article that's linked to the main screen of aol..

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=615&u=/nm/20031209/pl_nm/politics_lieberman_dc_1&printer=1

GORE CALL CAME "TOO LATE"
He said he asked Gore for his widely sought endorsement as recently as a month and a half ago, and was surprised he did not hear from Gore before the news of the endorsement broke on Monday. Gore called him on Tuesday morning. "It was about four or five minutes in length and too late," Lieberman said of the call from Gore. He refused to say if he was angry about the decision, or to question Gore's loyalty.

[poskonig]

13. I don't believe lieberman was disrespected

though if Holy Joe was disrespected, I'm down with that too.

[evil_orange_cat]

14. I don't feel sorry for Repuke-lite...

Gore was smart enough to recognize that America won't put up with "business as usual" politics. I think Gore's decision to back Dean epitomizes the struggle within the party... it's the voice of the people versus the voice of corporate constituency and lobbyists... and Gore is siding with the people.

[Myra]

15. Please look at it in context kiahzero. Joe has stabbed Gore in the back...

For years! He stabbed him in the back during the recount.
In addition, Holy Joe's a Pug in Dem drag; almost always
supporting Bush, including Bush's Iraq oil grab.

I think Joe was long overdue for a bitch-slapping.
I applaud Prez Gore for his refusal to speak to or for someone who has so betrayed him and his country.

[susanna]

16. Weird that you posted this...

I am no real fan of Mr. Lieberman, but I had a brief moment of compassion for him tonight. It did not last all that long, but it was genuine, I swear.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. I am sure it was just gas......

....don't worry too much about it. Joe has enough self-pity that he really doesn't need ours.

[susanna]

38. Thanks, liberal_veteran...

It WAS a weird sensation to think I felt bad for him, even for that brief moment...

[dfong63]

51. ROFL

[alcuno]

17. Joe should have picked up that "clue" phone long ago.

He deserved to get smacked down.

[hlthe2b]

18. Yup, you are...

seriously, I wish Gore had been able to inform him before....That would have been the statesmen-like way to handle it- perhaps he DID try as he has said.


Nonetheless, my opinion is influenced more by the backstabbing manner in which Lieberman has dealt with all of us-- his "democratic" constituency. So, no, I don't pity him.

[Myra]

31. Maybe Gore informed god and figured it'd get passed along to Holy Joe.

eom

[hlthe2b]

45. LOL

:evilgrin:

[kaitykaity]

19. I sure don't feel bad for him.

Holy Joe stabbed Gore in the back long ago with his
comments about the 'populist' campaign. Gore owed
him one, AFAIK.

[Ripley]

20. Lieberman has tried to screw us all!!

He signed on (happily) to almost every frickin thing Smirk does....

Why should he think Gore would support him, the Enabler?

If it's decorum you seek, it ain't gonna be in the new breed of anti-Republicans way of doing things.

LIEBERMAN SHOULD DROP OUT.

[Ripley]

28. Maybe he did inform Joe...

Sorry I'm answering my own post, but hey, maybe Joe saw that damn writing on the wall weeks ago. Whining now for airtime.

[PaDUer]

33. I concur!

I've always said that Lieberman is a MOLE!

[Scott Lee]

22. Joe helped see to it that thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed

As far as I'm concerned he and the rest of the Congressional Democratic war enablers (they know who they are) can live with that in their nightmares till the end of their days.

Feel sorry for Joe? You have to be joking.

[ramapo]

24. A little bad

Gore should've given him a heads up. After all Joe waited until Gore said he wouldn't run for '04. But it's a tough business amd feelings get hurt.

[Atman]

25. Oy! Leiberman made his bed

He can crawl under it.

[Skittles]

27. F*** LIEBERMAN

he is a warmongering fool

[evil_orange_cat]

29. right on! :D

personally, I don't think Lieberman actually has his own opinions, I just think he tries to pander to get votes...

[Ripley]

34. Hi No-Fan-Of-Repuke-Lite!

Seriously how ya doing Skittles...

I know this isn't the right place, but what have you sent the soldiers lately...hopefully not fruitcake!!!!!

I think I'm going to figure out a way to send them something good like hushpuppies...

[Skittles]

69. hey there Ripley; oh I'm alright

lol, my last package had more than fruitcakes - lots of goodies. Just thinking about the next one - I'll probably include some warm clothes. Poor guys.

[Myra]

37. F**k Lieberman and the pachyderm he rode in on.

Don't *pity the fool*, even if you're Mr T.

[impeach the gop]

30. What's more important

Joe's feelings, or the entire worlds freedom from smirk. Believe me, he'll get over it.

[Closer]

32. How about you

feel sorry for all those Iraqis maimed or killed and our soldiers who've died that Lieberman happily sent over there. How about you feel sorry for them.

Do I feel sorry for Lieberman? Not a fucking chance.

[kiahzero]

44. Considering I have personal connections with many over there

Hell yes, I feel sorry for them. But your comment is a complete non-sequitur.

[milkyway]

35. Right now on CSPAN, Holy Joe is fondly reminiscing about being a whore for

insurance companies. Could somebody please cut the cord to his mic?

[Clark Can WIN]

36. No you are not the only one

I do not like Lieberman but I thought it was a rather low blow that he was dealt. I don't buy the "we tried to call him" bit. Please.

I can't believe the irony of a candidate who was pushed aside in a judiciary coup trying to ursurp the democratic process in his own party. IT'S THE DEMOCRACY STUPID. Let the people choose the candidate.

[mojowork_n]

39. Since his speech this summer (July?) at the Natl Press Club (?)...

I think old Al's gone a long way toward re-positioning his ideological take on things. At the same time he's cutting through all the quotidian, ass-kissing politics-as-usual crap. (In other words, he's reclaimed his own soul.)

3 cheers for Gore. That was one hell of a speech. I'm not in the least bit surprised that he's gone out and endorsed Dean.

On the other hand, Lieberman's part of the problem, not part of the solution. He's pro-tax-cut, pro-Bush/Cheney/neo-con-Kristol-Perle-Wolfowitz-et on Iraq, and soft on, or pro-way-too-many other Republican B.S. screw-America policies.

[Ripley]

40. Woo woo to you mojo...

Welcome to DU! :toast:

I like your thinking...Gore is going with the flow...as we all should...

[Isere]

70. Did you know that Lieberman voted against the Bush tax cuts?

But never mind....sorry for interrupting your tirade.

Gore completely mishandled this endorsement and I say this as someone who has contributed to the Draft Gore movement. His failure to observe the basic courtesies backfired on him and put the press focus on his faux pas instead of on his endorsement.

This is not savvy politics.

Frankly, I think Lieberman is handling himself very well lately. But then I am not a committed Lieberman basher. I think Gephardt and Kerry are hurt more than Lieberman by this endorsement because they have more to lose in the next primaries. If Gephardt loses Iowa, he is dust. If Kerry loses New Hampshire, he is dust. That leaves Lieberman standing, along with Clark. Edwards is no longer a factor.

[mike_c]

41. I've gotta disrespectful gesture for Lieberman....

eom

[kanrok]

42. In a word:

Probably.

[sweetheart]

46. The sacrificail cow

Lieberman is sacrificed by Gore as the bad luck charm... and i believe rightfully so, due to his neocon-centrism, i have no respect for his politics whatsoever. Gore SHOULD distance himself from anyone that neocon, and if it involves diplomatically dunking the man's head in the toilet for a swirlie, then now's the time... Gore needs to pin his public frustration on one career on another, and best it lies on the contribution of less merit between them... if gore had to step down, liebermand should have stayed down also, he totally missed the ettiquette. Now he's standing, he should be sacrificed and the ashes of the last election scattered. Mr. Gore is the right man to do that job.

I get one thing about Mr. Gore's idea, and i have a conspiriacy theory... that if all the dem candidates suddenly show up together on a stage next week having formed a unified administration between themselves of party unity, with i guess mr. dean as president, mr. clark as whatever job he's best at, mr kucinich in his best most effective role, and each of the candidates with their dream job in a unity administration of goodwill towards all people... i see that lovely vision... call off the election and lets have a unified party.... oh..! don't we do that AFTER THE PRIMARY!!!! uuhh!!

[minkyboodle]

47. No sorry here

Its hard to feel sorry for a guy who pushes your buttons and infuriates you almost every time he speaks. Do I think Gore kind of fucked Lieberman over? probably.. If I were Gore I would still harbor a lot of resentment for Holy Joe after the recount debacle.
SCott

[cliss]

48. Let's see...

Joe the Holy is upset because Al Gore didn't call him on the phone to tell him that he was endorsing Howard Dean. I'm assuming here he wanted to be the first to hear the news. Or did he want Gore to endorse him?

Either way, what difference does it make? Why should it be an issue whether he called Joe the Court Jester. He's still not endorsing him. Would it make him feel better, so could somehow save face.

So it doesn't matter.

[Cha]

50. Get over it...lieman was always Stabbing Gore

in the BAck! Did that ever upset you?

[beyurslf]

52. May not have been nice but I don't feel sorry for JL.

He needs to stand up and be a Democrat.

[Unknown Known]

53. LIEberman screwed Gore with the military votes in 2000

Anybody here remember that?

Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Joe:evilgrin:

[Myra]

54. If Holy Joe didn't like how he was treated, he's unaware of *karma*.

It's like a boomerang Joe.

[jobycom]

55. Nah, Lieberman feels pretty sorry for himself, too.

Why is this silly Repub talking point being raised by respectable Dems and liberals? It's just a diversion to discredit Gore and thus the Dems in general, as well as anyone Gore endorses. More noise. Tune it out, move on. Gore and Lieberman were running mates, not lovers.

[eileen from OH]

56. Yeah, I feel bad for Jpe

because it was handled clunkily. ..although I understand that Gore wanted to call the other candidates and was pre-empted by the leak about the endorsement.

BUT I can't comment about the endorsement WITHOUT also saying that "feeling bad" for Joe is tempered by the fact that he is a DINO and hasn't got a prayer and has run an extremely tone deaf campaign.

So, if you want me to feel bad for Joe because he was dissed by Gore, I will. But I'll also say that in the big picture, whether or not Joe was treated badly is like waaaaay down on the scale.

eileen from OH

[shanti]

57. looks so....

so sorry for ya.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. I do - I like Gore but I've lost some of my respect for him

He should have also called Kerry and Gephardt too since they both endorsed him and he worked with them in congress.

[TankLV]

59. Pretty much!

Fuck "Holy Joe".

Wimpy, puke-ass-kissing DINO repuke wannabe!

[peacetalksforall]

60. Joe Lieberman would be a fool to expect Gore to endorse him

With a smile and a smirk - he showed his opinion of himself and it reeked of superiority and criticism of Gore...he voted for the war...he goes out of his way to play centrist when he's actually right of center on way too many things. He goes out of his way to applaud the current administration. And he appears to be takng a lot of money from lobbyists (not sure if it's more than other Senators).

Besides the right wing LOVES him.

He hasn't been true to Gore and the Democrats - why could he expect more? Therefore he doesn't need sympathy.

Now, I'll repeat it again - he voted for the war - with generous, not cautious words.

[TexasSissy]

61. I feel for Lieberman, too.

Regardless of the reason, it was bad form and not the gentlemanly thing to do for Gore not to let Lieberman know ahead of time. Not that Lieberman expected the endorsement; he should not have been caught off guard like that and found out the way he did.

[wiley]

62. Yes

His hurt expression was the most compelling statement he has communicated to date. Joe's moving to NH in January to continue to push granite up the hill. He has got to leave NH if he expects this good will to last. If Gore had called him we wouldn't be seeing him or hearing about this on every channel I've watched today. It's not like he and most of the others shouldn't be in the Senate or House, pounding on Frist, Hatch, Delay and Armey.

Is there a bite me emotican?

[WhosNext]

63. I feel bad for the guy. He seems like a genuinely nice person.

[AnnitaR]

64. He spewed the Axis of Evil crap tonight!

Heck no I don't feel bad for him!

The man sounded like more of a Puke tonight than I have ever heard him!

:puke:

[angee_is_mad]

66. pitiful

he is so pitiful and he is trying to put on a brave face. Even Dean looked shameface in the debate. But Trippi is taking full blame for dropping the ball in not notifying him about the endorse before the press did. Now that is a campaign manager.

[KaraokeKarlton]

68. Why should anyone feel sorry for him, he's eating the attention up

This actually has helped him because now he's getting "pity support and attention" when he wasn't getting any attention at all before. Initially his pride was probably wounded, but I'm sure he had to know that Gore wasn't going to support him. At this point I think Lieberman is loving it because everyone wants to talk to him because Americans take some kind of sick pleasure in putting someone on the spot and trying to catch them when they're down.

No one should feel sorry for him at all because he's actually getting people to listen to him now.

[Selwynn]

71. No, I don't feel bad for Joe Asshatberman

Well... maybe a little pity. I just can't help myself..

[ermoore]

72. Yeah

Gore's kind of a dick, but hey, that's the way it goes. Politics is not necessarily for nice guys nor the faint of heart.

[burning bush]

73. PLEEEZ! If Lieberman didn't know where he stood with Gore

Then he must have missed the SNL show when Gore hosted!

Bwahaahah!

The Lieberman in the hot tub scene? Oh mah GAWD! Dissssssss....

If Liebermen was caught by surprise, then he's a fool. I think he's just playing a sympathy card, which does not trump Dean's endorsement card. Not by a long shot.