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reknewcomer Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:11 PM
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Who won the SF Mayor race?
Green or Dem?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:12 PM
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1. polls dont close for 49 minutes DUPE
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reknewcomer Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:15 PM
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4. What's the score?
Any idea?
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:12 PM
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2. First polling results at 8 pm pst nt
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Red_Storm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:13 PM
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3. i'm staying up to find out..........n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:20 PM
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5. After 8pm election results
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:06 PM
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9. thanks!
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:47 PM
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6. It could take a while for meaningful results
I've heard that a very large amoung of absentee ballots were cast. So far turnout has exceeded my expectations. I figured it would be very low considering this is the third since the recall, but apparently all the attention has gotten folks very excited. I can't remember being called this much in any other election. It's crazy. I wish the party had worked this hard against Ahnuld.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:57 PM
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7. BTT
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:03 PM
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8. Me too...
This hard against Bush-blower Newsom.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:15 PM
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10. No word yet
Results are supposed to be coming in, or streaming in in the next couple hours. They have screens up to watch the results of the counting, and Gonzalez is supposed to show up in the Mission sometime around 9 pm pst.

No word yet, either way. Expect some preliminary numbers in the next few minutes.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:19 PM
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12. I am too tired to stay up for this
Will have to deal with the suspense til tomorrow.

Good night from the East Coast, and good luck Matt. :hi:
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:22 PM
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13. Absentee ballots in -- Newsom ahead
Absentee ballot results -- 71,000 ballots in and counted so far --- 65% went for Newsom, 35% for Gonzalez.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:24 PM
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14. according to the pundits ... that was expected
they are saying that if this wasn't the case, then Newsom would be in trouble. They said this was expected.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:26 PM
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16. Link for results
here's the election link for the results -- not much there yet:

http://www.sfgov.org/wcm_election/results.htm
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:24 PM
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15. That was expected, though
They've said all along the absentees would go for Gavin.

(really leaving now. *g*)
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:29 PM
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18. some results up
absentee?
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:31 PM
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21. yes, the absentees are up
71000 votes -- 65% for Newsome; 35% for Gonzalez.

http://www.sfgov.org/wcm_election/results.htm

SUMMARY REPORT CITY & COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO
MUNICIPAL RUN-OFF ELECTION
DECEMBER 9, 2003
RUN DATE:12/09/03 08:23 PM

VOTES PERCENT

PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 562). . . . . 0
REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 466,127
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 71,005
VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 15.23

MAYOR
VOTE FOR 1
GAVIN NEWSOM . . . . . . . . . 46,192 65.43
MATT GONZALEZ . . . . . . . . . 24,409 34.57

DISTRICT ATTORNEY
VOTE FOR 1
KAMALA HARRIS . . . . . . . . . 43,778 64.12
TERENCE HALLINAN . . . . . . . . 24,500 35.88


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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:32 PM
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23. whatever the first votes counted are...
the mayoral and attorneys races have nearly the exact same proportions

http://www.sfgov.org/wcm_election/results.htm

VOTES PERCENT

PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 562). . . . . 0
REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 466,127
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 71,005
VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 15.23

MAYOR
VOTE FOR 1
GAVIN NEWSOM . . . . . . . . . 46,192 65.43
MATT GONZALEZ . . . . . . . . . 24,409 34.57

DISTRICT ATTORNEY
VOTE FOR 1
KAMALA HARRIS . . . . . . . . . 43,778 64.12
TERENCE HALLINAN . . . . . . . . 24,500 35.88
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:34 PM
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24. now they are saying this was better than expected for Newsom
they are now saying that the numbers on the absentees are better than was expected for Newsom.

Newsom's people are happy.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:17 PM
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11. also a DA race in the city tonight...Terri Hallinan and Kamala Harris
This is Kamala Harris




not to be sexist or anything, but hubba-hubba
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:28 PM
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17. Wow you guys still have Hallinan?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:29 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
He's been around forever!

Getting his butt kicked so far though.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:29 PM
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20. he looks it
I think he's been in and out
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abbyhoffman Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:56 PM
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36. His Father
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 PM by abbyhoffman
Was Vincent Hallinan he ran for President a bunch of times with Gus HAll On both the top slot and VP. He ran once for Prez from a federal prison were J. Edger put him for being a commie

In the 80's his brother was a high power lawyer for big time drug dealers The Reygun Administration set him up & he sat in prison for years until the courts overturned his convictions

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:29 PM
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19. Hubba-Hubba!
Crossing my fingers for Gonzalez.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:32 PM
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22. Newest results
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:33 PM by Pastiche423
Gavin Newsom 46,192 65.4%

Matt Gonzalez 24,409 34.6%

0% of precincts reporting Last updated 12/9 8:22PM



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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:34 PM
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25. Never really understood that...
Zero precincts reporting thing...???
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:37 PM
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26. 84,000 votes now in --
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:38 PM by eablair3
84,000 votes now counted (71,000 were absentees) -- Newsom now totals 63% -- Gonzalez at 37%

Votes starting to come in, ..... Gonzalez picking up a little.

Numbers are expected to tighten.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:40 PM
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27. pundits on KCBS
pundits on KCBS are saying that's "quite a lead for Gonzalez to overcome" -- referring to the 65% to 35% in favor on Newsom on the absentee ballots.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:40 PM
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28. 15% precincts
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:41 PM by Pastiche423
Newsome 56, 070

Gonzlaes 34,323
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:44 PM
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29. 25.8% reporting
GAVIN NEWSOM . . . . . . . . . 64,043 59.47
MATT GONZALEZ . . . . . . . . . 43,641 40.53

KAMALA HARRIS . . . . . . . . . 62,902 60.54
TERENCE HALLINAN . . . . . . . . 40,995 39.46

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:45 PM
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30. 26% precincts
Newsome 59.50%

Gonzalas 40.50%

Matt is rising!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:47 PM
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32. only 9 points to swing! and the rate of change is still high
:shrug:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:47 PM
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33. Yep, can't tell what will happen
If Matt's home turf hasn't been counted yet, he could get a bit of an upsurge, but if it's already in, he's liable to slip further back.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:50 PM
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34. He's not coming up fast enough :(
I'm starting to feel worried now.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:03 AM
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43. agree, .. it isn't lookin good for Matt G
time for a comeback

we don't know where the 20% that have not been counted are from
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:45 PM
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31. can't do it.. can't make myself go to bed *l*
Wish I knew which precincts have reported in and which way they were expected to go.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:53 PM
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35. 55-45 now with 60% precincts in
don;t know if Gonz can recover from those absentees

final number expected within an hour
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 PM
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37. still 55-45 with 67% precincts in
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 PM
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41. 54-46 with 75% precincts in
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 PM
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39. Rats
Still He and Camejo brought a lot of great press to the greens this year.

And if Gavin can't give the city the changes he promised, Matt will run again next time. I am sure.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:57 PM
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38. The Gap is Closing in Favor of Gonzalez.
And if Matt loses, he has certainly showed well!

Go Gonzalez!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:58 PM
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40. T.V. showing 54 gavin 46 matt
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:02 AM
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42. 53-47 with 80% precincts in
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:04 AM
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46. still 53-47 with 86% precincts in
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:04 AM
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47. 53-47 with 84% now
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:04 AM
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48. It's great that it's so close
Would have sucked if Matt had gotten the standard Green 3%. :eyes:
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:05 AM
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51. 52.9-47.1 with 86
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:07 AM
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52. 52.8-47.2 with 89
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:08 AM
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53. 52.7-47.3 with 90
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:04 AM
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44. Come On, Matt!
I can't take this.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:04 AM
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45. Looks like NEWSROOM will win........
It's the forth quarter and the clock is ticking.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:05 AM
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49. it looks that way
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:05 AM
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50. Yep, we need a Hail Mary
:)
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:09 AM
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56. I guess that's what a couple or three million dollars will do for you
it'll get you a 65-35 lead on the absentees.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:08 AM
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54. Matt needed another 15,000 of those
absentee ballots :(
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:09 AM
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55. It's Still Getting Tighter and Tighter!
Go Matt!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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57. Harris won
Kinda too bad. I thought Hallinan seemed like a nice guy who did his job well.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:15 AM
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65. Hallinen is actually a pretty great lawyer
I've seen him speak many times.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:14 AM
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63. Surrender, Dorothy
;-)

There aren't enough votes left for Gonzalez to come back. He'll finish within 9,000-13,000 votes or so but, thankfully, not close enough for a recount or any such nonsense.

Consider this. If Gonzalez had won then, if Camejo had run for President on the Green ticket, between a Green SF mayor and a Republican Governor, California might have very much in play in 2004.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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58. Matt 47.3% - 92 precincts
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:14 AM
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62. 52-48 -- 97%
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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59. So when do the homeless get sent out on barges? n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:11 AM
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60. Soylent Green.
n/t
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reknewcomer Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:16 AM
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68. Was there a plan to cutoff the homeless monthly checks by Newsom?
I had not heard about it. Will they stop getting their 300 or so bucks every month if Newsom wins? Or was it just a reduction of cash?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 AM
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76. That's what
the m'fucker wants.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:14 AM
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61. Mayor Gavin Newsom
The well has dried up for Gonzo!


http://www.sfgov.org/wcm_election/update.htm

PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 562). . . . . 546 97.15
REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 467,509
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 221,908
VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 47.47

MAYOR
VOTE FOR 1
GAVIN NEWSOM . . . . . . . . . 115,859 52.41
MATT GONZALEZ . . . . . . . . . 105,223 47.59

DISTRICT ATTORNEY
VOTE FOR 1
KAMALA HARRIS . . . . . . . . . 119,459 56.23
TERENCE HALLINAN . . . . . . . . 92,996 43.77

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:16 AM
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67. Matt'll be back next time around
He had a good showing. If Gavin doens't pan out, Matt could nail it next time.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:15 AM
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64. Voter turnout is a joke at less than 50% on a rainy day
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:16 AM by BEFOREATHOUGHT
Who cares who is going to be mayor, hunny MTV cribes is on. BRAVE NEW WORLD :hurts:
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:19 AM
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73. That's baloney
Voter turnout was pretty good for a run-off election; especially given the weather. Compare this election to past run-offs.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:25 AM
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81. which is why they needed Gore and Clinton for reinforcement
people who'd make Newsom lose were more highly motivated to vote
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:38 AM
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91. I repeat it is a Joooooke
Less than 50% of registered voters voting for any reason is a freaking lets stay at home watch TV and get fat joke
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:16 AM
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66. A Lousy 10,000 Votes.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:17 AM
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69. I know
:cry:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:18 AM
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71. Let's Sob and Celebrate Matt's Showing.
:cry:
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:17 AM
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70. 22,000 postal ballet vote head start for Newsom
was what has won it for him. Rats
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:19 AM
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72. Where did those 22000 come from?
Do I smell cheating to screw over the Greens?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 AM
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74. Military, maybe?
Out of state college students?

Who knows?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:23 AM
Original message
Military in the City limits?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 AM
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77. It must be Al Gore's fault
It's Al Gore's fault that the Greens didn't win. He had the temerity to endorse a candidate!
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:25 AM
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80. Oh, those evil, cheating Democrats!!!
Cheating to beat the poor, innocent Greens.

No, what you smell is a 5%, 11,000 vote victory for the Democratic candidate for mayor. The one who was endorsed by most of the state's major Democrats.

Nice sig.
Democrat FIRST, huh?


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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 AM
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major dems, an array of celebrities, Al Gore and Bill Clinton!
ALL that for the mop-haired Greenie, eh? :D
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 AM
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75. The Democrat won
:party::party::party:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:22 AM
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78. Chronicle calls both races
www.sfgate.com
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:29 AM
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84. Grrrr...
Dammit!

Damn the pretty-boy DINO and all his damn money!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 AM
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90. And damn the right-wing SF electroate that voted for him
;-)
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:57 AM
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98. Correction:
the DINO won.
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economic justice Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:23 AM
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79. YESSSS!!!!!!!!
Mayor Gavin Newsome: Sounds GOOD to me! Matt put up a fight, but proved that he was just too extremist even for San Francisco. I agree with Gavin's comments that he would be a far left liberal in any other city in America, but to be cast as some sort of "conservative" is an "Only in San Francisco" story.

He will do SF right. Also, I fully agree that the panhandling has gone on too long and is a disgrace to the city. Panhandling in San Francisco is a BIG BUSINESS. Don't let anybody fool you. The trash has got to be cleaned up off our streets. I'm sorry some super far-lefties can't see that. There are plenty of city services in the city and most of these panhandlers don't avail themselves of the help for fear of having to follow house rules! Fortunately, most of San Francisco agrees (according to all the polls) and enough turned out to elect Gavin mayor.

IT'S GREAT NEWS!!!!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:26 AM
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82. Do you live there?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:59 AM by Pastiche423
You call human beings trash?

Damn, I wish DU din't have rules.

:mad:
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economic justice Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:28 AM
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83. Yes.........Do YOU?
Okay, that was a little rough.....but if YOU lived here and had to deal with these people you might feel differently. I have to dodge them every day and am sick of it! As is, I might add, most people in the city.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:31 AM
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87. No, not most...just 'some'. n/t
n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:45 AM
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94. Appernetly enough to elect a mayor
;-)
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:40 AM
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92. I lived there for over 20 years
but moved because I don't want to live on a barge!

In those twenty years, I met many, many homeless human beings. I "dealt" w/them every day.

How fucking black hearted can one get?

I would expect that coming from a repug, but...
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:17 PM
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117. Okay, maybe the word
"trash" was too harsh, BUT, as a regular visitor to SF I can tell you that the homeless situation IS a problem. First, not all are homeless; I wish I had the name of the documentary on SF regarding this topic, but unforunately I don't. It's no secret that SF is both liberal and well-off, attracting many business-minded con-artists to the area. It's sad, because the citizens of SF are good-hearted people and for them to send this type of message shows how bad things have gotten.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:14 PM
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121. trash vs. humans
Glad to see that discussants on DU are open-minded enough to concede that "maybe" calling people trash is too harsh.

"Maybe" they shouldn't be put on a barge in the Bay after all, or is that just too, too wackily far left?
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:19 PM
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122. Some people are trash
I think bush is trash. I think cheney is worse than trash. Am I closed-minded now? I don't think the original poster was referring to all homeless as trash; I think the ones he was referring to were simply "posers" -- those who use the plight of the homeless to make money. Again, this isn't the case with all those in SF, but it has been a big enough problem to where even liberal and open-minded people in that city have said enough is enough.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:29 AM
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85. Too extremist? Pah-leez.
Approximately 10,000 vote difference in this race. I can assure you that your arguement doesn't hold water.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:29 AM
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86. uhhh...too extremist?
the vote is 52 to 48

They're only separated by 10,000 votes in 230,000 :shrug:
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:33 AM
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89. Jinx, you owe me a coke!
Great minds think alike (and have impeccable timing as well). :evilgrin:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:45 AM
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93. The trash has got to be cleaned up off our streets??!! WTF
:wtf:

Remember those words if you ever become part of the trash on those streets! Let me guess- compassionate conservatism?

And Democrats wonder why people are fleeing a party that's being so influenced by Republican "compassion".
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:55 AM
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97. Exactly...
"Trash" = "Unworthy humans"
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:38 AM
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105. The homeless
I saw a homeless man urinating on the sidewalk in downtown Seattle this morning. Another made a pathetic attempt to sell me some drugs, and yet another yelled obscenities at me when I wouldn't give him any change. The situation in San Francisco is much worse, and I hope that Mayor Newsom will finally start to clean things up.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:45 AM
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109. "Darkness is cheap, and Scrooge liked it."
"Once upon a time--of all the good days in the year, on Christmas Eve--old Scrooge sat busy in his counting-house."



"I am the Ghost of Christmas Present," said the Spirit. "Look upon me!"

Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol

=========================

About a third of the adult homeless population has served their country in the armed services. On any given night, as many as 250,000 veterans are living on the streets or in shelters, and perhaps twice as many experience homelessness over the course of a year. Many other veterans are considered at risk because of their poverty, lack of support from family and friends, and precarious living conditions in cheap hotels or in overcrowded or substandard housing.

The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans conservatively estimate that approximately one-third of America's homeless are veterans. Nearly 58% of the homeless veteran population are from the Vietnam era and 25% are veterans that have served since the Vietnam War.

http://4homeless.hypermart.net/veterans.html
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lancemurdoch Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:27 PM
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124. right...
All of the major business analysts talk about the need to keep inflation at 5-6% in order to keep the economy working the way they want it, but the REAL problem of course is not the people who fight to keep 5-6% of people unemployed, but the people who are affected by those plans. They have to be gotten off the street and put - somewhere. After all, we don't want to be reminded that the policies Newsom and his crowd support are purposefully keeping 1 out of 20 people unemployed on purpose.

The USSR was supposed to be some horrible place, yet they managed to have 0% unemployment. Yet they can't figure out how to keep that happenign here. The BS piles hire and hire. Thankfully, 47% of San Franciscans can see that. I guess 47% of the voters in San Francisco are "super far lefties" as you describe Gonzalez supporters. You know, people who are janitors, carpenters, taxi cab drivers and the like, not respectable people like a bar owner or something.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:33 AM
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88. Final Tally
PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 562). . . . . 562 100.00
REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 470,089
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 226,523
VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 48.19

MAYOR
VOTE FOR 1
GAVIN NEWSOM . . . . . . . . . 118,651 52.57
MATT GONZALEZ . . . . . . . . . 107,030 47.43

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:47 AM
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95. Very very very roughly
The 70,000 postal vote went to Newsom about 2:1

The other 150,000 polling station votes went to Gonzalez about 5.4:4.6
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:03 AM
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100. You might want to find out
what is the demographic of these postal voters, cause they seem to be quite a bit different in outlook from the polling station voters.

Possibly for the future.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:54 AM
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96. the corrupt one.
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:02 AM
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99. Congratulations Mayor Newsom:
He will serve San Francisco well.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:28 AM
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102. Correction
He will serve the elite in San Francisco well.
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:16 AM
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101. Another sad day
I'm about to say to hell with voting. If SF cant elect a progressive Mayor I might as well piss on the system......
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:33 AM
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104. no worries, Messiah
here was a person who happened to make his Board of Supes seat, and decided to throw his hat in the ring for the mayor's race.

Gonzalez and the Greens did REALLY well. After all, Gonzalez brought out Clinton, Gore, and a lot of other Dems!

Congratulations, Matt!
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:33 AM
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103. Newsom wins! Greens lose yet again!
I'm glad that the citizens of San Francisco made the right decision. Newsom will be an excellent mayor of your fine city.

The Greens can go straight to hell for all I care.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:41 AM
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106. And check their votes with you at the door right?
:eyes:

Now let me see... Greens are only 3% of the SF population- the other votes came from Democrats. Guess they should take their votes to hell with them too so that 4 years from now, people like you can whine about how "Nader" stole "your" votes.

Wake-up call! One man, one vote and what people choose to do with their vote is none of your effin' business!
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 05:45 AM
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111. courage, Tinoire
Tinoire, you will notice how almost none of the Newsom supporters are addressing issues. The solid majority is partisan generalization.

When they do address issues, they are unimpressive, such as a generalization earlier in this thread on the homeless in which the writer hopes that Newsom will clean up "things."

You have posted the hard data on campaign donations. They aren't touching it. You have pointed out the difference between Green Party affiliation in SF (3%) and the close race. They aren't touching that either. And obviously everyone has been able to see that Clinton and Gore were flown in to influence the mayor's race when the opponent is a Green. I suspect that neutral observers can grasp the implications, but the partisans are having none of it.

Don't let them get to you. The Newsom victory in SF was a victory against the Democratic base. The discussants who aren't seeing it will never see it because they simply don't want to.

The progressives put up a good fight. Let's look ahead.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:00 AM
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107. Oh joy! 4 more years of crony-capitalist politics in the Mayor's office
Congratulations to Newsom for winning the race. I only hope he surprises me and starts to clean up city hall. :shrug:
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Tredge Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:16 AM
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108. Let Willie Brown boss-politics continue...?
I wanted Matt to win but I guess I can't have everything. He had a helluva showing — 3% registered but 48% voting Green, that must've exceeded just about everyone's expectations but Gonzalez'. Newsom seems to play "connect-the-dots" when it comes to politics, choosing what will make him look better by trial and error, but I won't grudge him, he won a fair race. He's an interesting politician and given his youth and energy might do interesting things yet.

(Disclaimer: yes, I live here)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 04:30 AM
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110. inside the numbers...
in November, the moderate and conservative candidates (for SF) got:
Moderates:
Newsom 42
Leal 8 (once appointed to Board by Willie Brown)
Ribera 2 (the only republican)
Total=52%

Liberals:
Gonzalez 20
Alioto 16
Ammiano 10
Total=46%


in the December runoff:
Newsom=53% (moderate)
Gonzalez=47% (liberal/green)

As exciting as the election race was, it seems like very few voters changed their minds in terms of their ideology. Of course, it's not the same voters.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 06:46 AM
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112. All I Know Is That The Cable News Channels
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 06:47 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Were Ready To Dance On The Democratic Party's grave if they lost the contest....

They were promoting the results with statements like "will the San Francisco mayoral race be another embarassment for the Democratic party...?"

Faith

Family

Friends (and)

the Democratic party have been the constants in my life....

I'll stop voting Democratic when they pry my cold dead body from the ballot box....

Happy Holidays....

Brian
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 06:48 AM
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113. that's very loyal
Do issues matter too, or is there really no need to examine them?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 07:47 AM
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114. My Mom Was A Stevenson Delegate... I Was A Kennedy Alternate (Ted)
Of course, issues matter...

Let me give you two hypotheticals in the hope that you don't think I am singling out the Greens...

Would the Democrats benefit if the Greens ran candidates in every open senate and house race?

and

Would the Republicans benefit if a Buchanan like candidate ran in every open senate and house race?

The answer is in the question...

Our whole federal system with winner take all races militates against third parties so in my humble opinion a left wing party hurts Dems and a right wing party hurts Republicans...

I have read where Ralph Nader said the Greens were in a "death struggle" with the Democratic party... Wow....

The only people who would benefit from such a struggle are the Republicans....
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 07:59 AM
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115. shifts
Like you, I have more impressive Dem credentials than most. However, when evaluating the merits of an argument, those are weak considerations at best.

I hope that you pay careful attention to your answer to me. You have engaged in a shift of emphasis. After affirming that ideas matter, you change your focus.

At some point, we encounter reasons for our preferences. Hopefully, a political party comes close to representing those. When a candidate in our chosen party is in bed (politically) with Bechtel and Reagan's former Secretary of State, that should give us pause, at least. When the party of the little guy campaigns against those little guys, that should motivate us to double-check the meaningfulness of the label. I wonder which candidate's ideas you'd prefer if party labels were stripped away. That, and not a-priori titles, is what gives our choices meaning.

The SF mayor's race was a victory against the Democratic base. Surely that can't be much of a cause for celebration.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:59 PM
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116. Take heart, San Franciscans!
Tinoire called me last night with the news of Newsom's win -- as much as I wanted Matt to win for the sake of my town, it's not the end of the world.

As anyone who has been paying attention to City politics knows, the Board of Supervisors has been successfully chipping away at the power of the Mayor for the last few years in direct response to the way Willie threw his weight around. Our Board is as powerful a political influence as it has ever been in our City.

If Matt had won, the Board make-up would have allowed him to move his agenda with relative ease.

With Newsom's win, it is going to be FAR more difficult for him to make any major moves unless he takes them to the voters via initiatives. He has ONE ally on the Board -- Tony Hall -- everyone else tends to vote along the lives of Matt, who is still Board President.

I'm disappointed, but not heartbroken. :)

BTW, I have to say that I was impressed with the energy Matt's people put into this campaign. I got visited by them at home twice, I saw them out in the rain all over the City on election day doing GOTV and peppering intersections holding signs.

In contract I didn't see a SINGLE Newsom supporter out once during this whole election cycle -- not one.
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confusionisnext Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. Too bad
that we vote by counting ballots instead of counting signs.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:20 PM
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123. and by bringing in national bigwigs when your campaign sucks
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:19 PM
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118. Newsome
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:57 PM
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120. And the Millionaire Mayors Club welcomes its newest member
joining Bloomberg in NYC, (formerly) Riordan in L.A., etc. (Haven't checked Ray Nagin's (New Orleans) balance sheet, but he's another wealthy businessman.)

Looks like Big Money has filtered all the way down the system to the municipal level, and we're all the poorer for it (groan).

I was half ready to go back to The City and help Matt plan for all the places like Treasure Island and Hunters Point that "Noisome" Newsom will now just sell to the highest bidder. Oh well, there's always London and "Red Ken" Livingstone, or the new NDP guy in Toronto, I suppose...
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abbyhoffman Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 06:22 PM
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126. you do know
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 06:24 PM by abbyhoffman
Gonzalez grew up in the "millioniare" family & Newsom grew up in a single parent household where his mom worked 3 jobs and never made more than 19k a year!!

Newsom is a JFK Democrat & he will move to Senator, Gov of Calf & someday he will be President mark my words

Gonzalez will never move higher than a County supervisor of San Francisco maybe a State Senator but not likely
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:43 PM
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125. Makes me sad
I had really hoped...
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