Does Dean seem less inevitable today than yesterday?

[MIMStigator]

The endorsement motivated the other candidate's supporters more than it helped Dean. Deanies like to talk about how they get stronger every time their guy is attacked but it looks like they aren't the only ones.

[sfecap]

1. Let's see...

Dean' supporters sure seem to be still motivated.

In less than 12 hours:



Maybe it's just the implosion again...

[slinkerwink]

3. we'll hit the bat tomorrow at the rate things are going!

[MIMStigator]

4. what's the bat?

?

[slinkerwink]

14. the bat is a fundraising goal, so far we've raised $228,000 today

because of the Gore endorsement.

[LuminousX]

42. It seems the Dean folk at least understand 12/12

[Texas_Dem]

2. Don't know about Dean folks...

but it sure as hell motivated me and a whole lotta other folks to get out and work for Clark.

Thanks Al, for the motivation.

[xultar]

13. Yup, I've never been more motivated in my life. I took Al's move

as a personal slap in the face because he is trying to bless our candidate before we've even cast a vote. That isn't fair.

Al should have considered the American people before considering his power grab.

[Pastiche423]

21. Why?

Al Gore is an American citizen, just like you are.

I'd swear you've never been through a primary before.

Sheesh.

[Dagaz]

5. Rove is one happy guy

The party is moving left in a BIG way which leaves the center that Clinton used to occupy to Bush. This really sucks and now it's Gore vs Hillary in '08. Only the kool aid drinkers think Dean has a chance. This is a disaster.

[MIMStigator]

6. Tax raiser with no foreign policy experience aren't a good 2004 combo

That's how Dean will be portrayed and it's close enough to the truth to stick

[Capn Sunshine]

10. why must you repeat ever meme that comes from Crawford?

Is Clark winning that important to you? Or is it something else about populism that you don't understand?

[paulk]

15. why must you characterize everything you disagree with

as a Republican talking point? It's incredibly insulting.

[seventhson]

19. Becasuse it is.

Karl. That IS you, isn't it?

[Scott Lee]

48. If it walks like a rethug talking point, if it quacks like a rethug TP

....well, you know the rest.

[PVnRT]

12. So, I guess if

Clark is pegged as his VP candidate (if Dean wins the nomination) you will still feel the same?

I think people like you want Dean to get nominated and then lose just you can feel good about yourselves.

[CalebHayes]

7. Maybe Nader will not run?

[Capn Sunshine]

8. that covers every paranoid Rove desire on the list all right

I guess we had better all get right wing right away to save our party.

[Dagaz]

17. At least support National Security

Hillary, Clark and Lieberman are the only Dems I see actually being realistic that we're at war. What will be the reaction when Dean and Gore advocate the cut and run policy of viet nam? I don't see this at all as the same war. Most people will want to see a gov't that is democratic over there.

[w4rma]

24. Educate yourself about Dean's foreign policy proposals toward Iraq, please

Governor Dean's Plan for Iraq Reconstruction

"Restoring American Leadership: A New Direction for American Foreign Policy"

"Defending American Values - Protecting America's Interests"

The Dean Plan: As put forward by Kerry and Lieberman

Iraq Truth Center

[Dagaz]

27. ok but didn't the UN already refuse to take over?

So how is Dean going to get the EU to send troops? So we're back at square 1. What do we do?

[Schmendrick54]

34. Good question. Here's my answer.

Hi Frisco.

It is true that the Bush Administration has failed to convince most of the world to send troops to Iraq to insure security during the transition to a new govenment there. But I believe there are many reasons to believe that Howard Dean (or any of the other Democratic candidates) could be much more successful in getting EU help.

1. A new administration would not have to overcome the tremendous resentment created as a direct result of this administration's imperious attitude.

2. A new administration would not need to insist on absolute control of all the rebuilding contracts to insure the maximum profits to Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, Trireme Partners, MCI and the other companieswith close ties to Bush who have been looting and profiteering throughout this administration.

3. The EU would be predisposed to trust the US again; they do not have to depend on our hopelessly slanted media so they are well aware of the dishonesty of the current administration.

For these reasons I think that any of the Democratic candidates would be much more effective at gaining significant support from other countries in Iraq, which would greatly reduce the insurgent activity in my opinion because the Iraqis would be more disposed to believe that the international occupation force could be trusted to be evenhanded and not bent on empire.

Regards,
Schmendrick

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. You really, really should expand the reading list beyond Dean4America

please......

[poskonig]

9. It seems about the same.

Dean probably won't lose NH and is in good shape if Kerry and not Clark comes in second. Gephardt is still the greatest threat, since his campaign will go bonkers if he wins Iowa. (Feb 3rd is very Gephardt friendly).

[mmonk]

11. New talking points

the rest I don't know (how it will ultimately affect the race).

[Ksec]

16. So Dean is winning NewHampshire

the state right next to his own. The rest are up for grabs. This rush to crown Dean as the winner is laughable. There is no evidence that Dean is winning anywhere else. Yea hes got the moneyOK. But outside NH 80% of Dems are still undecided. This election is just beginning. Take heart that its still anyones race.

[ryharrin]

40. He's winning outside the MOE in Iowa also.

He gets up to 28% there. If he gets both of those states that'll convince lots of voters in the following states to give him a look. Especially all the voters not yet paying attention. You say Dean isn't winning everywhere, but he is in at least second everywhere but SC where he's usually third or fourth at worst.

[creativelcro]

18. Why do Clark disciples always whine ? Sour grapes, i guess...

[Ksec]

20. why do you always post that same old tired line?

Who was whining? I simply stated facts. This election is just beginning. how is that whiny? That is if you were referring to me. If not I still say its early, way too early top claim any victory.

[mmonk]

22. And why call us disciples?

Isn't Dean the current rock star? No offense, Dean's ok, just try something new.

[David Zephyr]

23. Dean is Now Even More Inevitable

Forget the debates.

It's the American public that will now give Dean the green light in national polls because of Gore's endorsement. People who don't watch debates, but are solidly Democrats will now be speaking Dean's name at the watercooler and to their babysitters and at the grocery stores.

Mark my word.

Dean will now poll closely to Bush in all the matchups within the next week....and all because of Albert Gore.

This is a good thing.

[mmonk]

25. we'll see

[Ksec]

28. Itll be a temporary spike

This will be forgotten in a few days. Im not downing Dean , mind you. I just happen to know this is typical and temporary this early. Media is hungry and jump on anything.

[MercutioATC]

36. I'd agree in principle, but Dean's "spikes" seem to be permanent.

He doesn't seem to slip back after "spikes", making them "new plateaus". I do agree that it's still WAY too early to make too much of this, though...

[blm]

43. If you're comforatble that those spikes are permanent,

but, I highly doubt that teflon from the media is permanent. Scrutiny is around the corner getting closer and tougher each day. I hope some people open their eyes before it's too late.

[MercutioATC]

47. I'm comfortable, thanks. Especially when these endorsements keep

rolling in, each better than the last. I know your issues with Dean, I just don't share them.

[jpgpenn]

26. I agree

Gore will be Dean's kiss of death!

[MoonRiver]

29. I like the Al Sharpton comeback regarding Gore's endorsement

which took place in NYC.

(Paraphrasing): Mr. Gore, Tamany Hall and Democratic Party boses don't exist anymore!

[HuckleB]

31. Yeah, that's comparable to, uh, campaigning for the guy you want...

to win the nomination. Yeah, it sure is.

Sharpton was also ugly in regard to the Iraq question. Sorry, but sometimes snappy metaphors just don't hit the mark.

[MoonRiver]

32. What did he say. I can't remember being offended, but I was doing

three things at once while watching!

[HuckleB]

33. I can't remember his verbage, of course...

but basically he went after Dean for saying that now that we're in Iraq, we can't simply abandon ship. Sharpton made some analogy along the lines of "that's like allowing the burglar to live in the store." Of course, Sharpton didn't say what we should do instead, but...

[MoonRiver]

35. I kinda remember Kucinich saying the same thing, that we should get out

NOW, period.

[HuckleB]

41. That's fine. He can say that.

I disagree, but I'm not left wondering, "What's his problem?" He's not comparing Dean's (which is similar to Clark, Kerry and Gephardt, I believe) approach to letting the burglar stay in the house. I don't know. There's just something ugly about that, to me.

[RetroLounge]

30. No, he doesn't

and neither do the Sour grapes or the Whinning.

If he supported your guy, would you be saying the same.

Somehow I doubt it...

[slinkerwink]

38. nope, they wouldn't....

and Clark lied about not thinking about getting a Clinton endorsement.

[Terwilliger]

37. what IS it with you people?

:freak:

[WillyBrandt]

39. A good night's sleep

Is the reason it's less inevitable. We'll see how things look in a week. This has not been the most predictable race, you know.

[Hep]

44. An ednorse ment of one is not an attack on others

But you DO love to fight, don't you?

Dean's doing fine. Halfway to our $500,000 goal for this week.

[bitchkitty]

45. Ha! You wish. n/t

[ibegurpard]

46. Leave it to some to call an endorsement an attack on someone else

whatever

:eyes:

[CMT]

49. well it also motivated the supporters

of Dean's as well.

I love all the negative posts on Gore endorsing Dean, but notice that Deanies didn't respond in kind (as yet) with the wonderful endorsement of Andy Young for Clark. I think that says something.