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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:42 PM
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Bill Clinton had a chance to get Osama and he blew it!
Wait...

This isn't something I am supporting but I pose this as a question. How do you respond to this. A right wing wacko tried countering me with this ridiculous statement and I'm not sure about it's history.

I remember about the Clinton missle strikes on Osama but not this chance to capture him because Iran was giving him over? What's this about? :) thanks
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:45 PM
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1. Lies and the Lying Liars
There's a great chapter about that in there. Explains everything. It's all bullshit.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:46 PM
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2. George W. Bush had a chance to capture Osama and he blew it!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:46 PM
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3. Go To www.snopes.com
Search on "Osama + Clinton". I'm pretty sure they have info there debunking that particular piece of Freeper crap.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:47 PM
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4. It's bullshit
A Sudanese individual "offered" bin Laden to the US government in 1998, despite the fact that the US government doesn't deal with individuals to broker the handing over of political enemies. The Republicans have turned this into "Clinton let Osama go!!!"

WRONG!

The current situation with Chalabi is a good case study in why it's a good idea to negotiate for criminals through governments as opposed to individuals.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 PM
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17. Censor this Mr. Marx
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:00 AM by BuckeFushe
You are not welcome for your posts. If you had made an intelligent reply instead of trying to mock us, you would have been here longer than 5 minutes.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 PM
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20. Fine blame them both. That means that Bush must go.
I agree with you.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:01 AM
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21. Ever try to go into freeperland as a dem
I guarantee they'll kick you out way faster than we will..I know cuz I've tried...I once went in there and posted a few posts as a repuke...and then posted some controversial lyrics from a Merle Haggard song as an experiment. Just the lyrics, no commentary. Tried to start a thread about them. My account was yanked immediately...

Politicians do all the talking/soldiers pay all the dues/now the war is over/that's the news

That's all I posted, along with the song title and Haggerd's name, I asked for comments from Haggard fans, and I was yanked....now that's fascism my friend...
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:21 AM
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33. Freepers think up the most obvious names
Betrays them EVERY time.

Back to Freepervill,. loser !
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mindless Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 PM
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18. I looked and found this. From the LA Times
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:02 AM
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23. That's the guy
Who wanted to broker the deal. Thank you for bolstering the truth.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:52 PM
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10. I see tombstones
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:53 PM
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12. His current address?
They knew which cave he was having his Fingerhut catalogs sent to?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:05 AM
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25. Here's a little somrthing for you.
:hurts: bye bye
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:50 PM
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6. ah' that makes sense. Thanks everyone. I could tell the repuke was
getting desperate.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:50 PM
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7. He didn't 'blow it'
And no, no Monica jokes permitted.

Read this for a quick primer, forget the bullshit from the National Review and WorldNetDaily, or all the Urban Legends out there.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/10/18/column.billpress/

<snip>
Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in 1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60 commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden. The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996, his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks, Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

<snip>
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:51 PM
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8. If I remember correctly
and I think I do, Sudan was willing to give him up, but the US couldn't take him (something to do with international law, I think) and Saudi Arabia didn't want him back.

If I'm wrong on this, somebody let me know.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:50 AM
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37. You're right... some guy in the Sudan...
The law wouldn't allow us to just go in and take him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:52 PM
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11. The NeoCons In The Pentagon Tipped Osama Off About The Bombs
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 11:53 PM by cryingshame
They didn't want Clinton to have any military successes.... or they had other plans for him :(

For related story see- Clark forced to retire after success in Kosovo.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:53 PM
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:56 PM
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16. Oxydittos Mr. Marx
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:02 AM
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22. that's a very subtle choice of names, Mr. Marx
Next time try something not so obvious
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:09 AM
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26. Karl, Karl, Karl-
tsk, tsk, tsk. But thanks for playing and better luck next time.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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28. So wrong, he stood up to the pentagon and
ultimetaly won the war! It pissed of the brass that he didn't agree with them that the continued bombing was the way to go. The brass had doubts about the whole operation. Clark won the war, and Shelton and his cronies couldn't stand it. It's called professional jealousy.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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29. Howzabout alternating posts trashing Chimpy "the pretend president"?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:54 PM
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14. it's hogwash
Franken addresses it in his book, but I don't have my copy handy. The gist of it is that this so called "offer" didn't come from any legitimate source, but some known sleazeball intermediary allegedly with connections to the Sudanese government (known pillars of virtue there) and the Clinton team looked into it, but it was wholly without merit. Oh, and the intermediary of course wanted to be paid.

This was the diplomatic equivalent of the Nigerian e-mail offer to wire $200 million into your bank account, after you deposit $10,000 into the account to "avoid suspicion."

Read his chapter on Clinton's near obsession with fighting terrorism, and how the Bush administration ignored all their warnings and recommendations until it was too late. That should give you plenty of ammunition to fight back.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:59 PM
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19. With facts, of course. Here is a bunch of research.
Some of this was posted by liberal_and_proud_of_it (I've added to it)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=18808&forum=DCForumID5#11
Here are a few stories about Clinton's attempts to combat terrorist forces and the brick walls he ran up against:

April 24, 1995 The American Civil Liberties Union today said that the “counter-terrorism” proposals suggested by President Clinton Sunday evening threatened to repeat the mistakes of the past and erode constitutional principles that have shaped our society and remain at the core of our freedom and liberty.

http://www.aclu.org/news/n042495.html

April 18, 1996 Congress on Thursday passed a compromise bill boosting the ability of law enforcement authorities to fight domestic terrorism . . . The measure, which the Senate passed overwhelmingly Wednesday evening, is a watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti.terror.bill/index.html

July 30, 1996 Paris -- A Fact Sheet from the July 30 ministerial meeting of the P-8 (the industrialized nations of the world plus Russia) notes that President Clinton for three years has led an international campaign to combat terrorism in concert with the P-8 as well as with allies in the Middle East and elsewhere . . . Following is the official text of the Fact Sheet.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/p8_facta.htm

July 30, 1996 President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess . . . But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures . . . Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on which both parties agree.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

August 25, 1998 The August 20 bombing of Osama bin Laden's terrorist bases in Afghanistan and the alleged bin Laden-funded chemical weapons production facility in Khartoum, was a decisive and appropriate U.S. response to the atrocities in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, and President Bill Clinton should be commended.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/schenker.htm

March 21, 2000 US President Bill Clinton said on Tuesday that he would take up with Pakistan military ruler Gen Pervez Musharraf the issue of terrorism in the Kashmir valley.

http://www.indiainfo.com/news/2000/03/21/clin

March 22, 2000 Clinton is pushing General Musharraf to use his influence with Afghanistan's leaders—the Taliban—to bring Bin Laden to trial . . . Even if Musharraf could convince the Taliban to give Bin Laden up, there is an abundance of anger, frustration and weapons in the region, left over from the Afghan war, when thousands of extremists came together to bring a superpower to its knees . . . That militant network has built up in this region over two decades of conflict. The president believes America must get deeply involved in South Asia to crack the terrorist problem, a process Clinton continues throughout this week.

http://www.kdka.com/now/story/0,1597,1747

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62725-2001Dec18

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/24/pentagon.budget/

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti.terror.bill/index.html

http://www9.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress99/freehct2.htm

http://online.securityfocus.com/news/201

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/01/page-a-01-23.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61219-2001Oct2


And don't forget how GW stopped ongoing terrorist investigations:

FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated
Officials told to 'back off' on Saudis before September 11
Greg Palast and David Pallister
The Guardian Wednesday November 7, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4293682,00.html

FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11.

US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.

They said the restrictions became worse after the Bush administration took over this year. The intelligence agencies had been told to “back off” from investigations involving other members of the Bin Laden family, the Saudi royals, and possible Saudi links to the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Pakistan.

“There were particular investigations that were effectively killed.”
Only after the September 11 attacks was the stance of political and commercial closeness reversed towards the other members of the large Bin Laden clan, who have classed Osama bin Laden as their “black sheep”.

Hart-Rudman
Not only did Clinton's actions prevent Y2K terrorist acts (eg, a bomber headed off on his way to the celebration in Seattle), but much more occurred in his administration to ward off terrorism ~ only to be scuttled by the Bushistas:

Commission warned Bush
But White House passed on recommendations by a bipartisan, Defense department-ordered commission on domestic terrorism.
by Jake Tapper

Sept. 12, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- They went to great pains not to sound as though they were telling the president “We told you so.”

But on Wednesday, two former senators, the bipartisan co-chairs of a Defense Department-chartered commission on national security, spoke with something between frustration and regret about how White House officials failed to embrace any of the recommendations to prevent acts of domestic terrorism delivered earlier this year.

Bush administration officials told former Sens. Gary Hart, D-Colo., and Warren Rudman, R-N.H., that they preferred instead to put aside the recommendations issued in the January report by the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century. Instead, the White House announced in May that it would have Vice President Dick Cheney study the potential problem of domestic terrorism -- which the bipartisan group had already spent two and a half years studying -- while assigning responsibility for dealing with the issue to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, headed by former Bush campaign manager Joe Allbaugh.

Before the White House decided to go in its own direction, Congress seemed to be taking the commission's suggestions seriously, according to Hart and Rudman. “Frankly, the White House shut it down,” Hart says. “The president said 'Please wait, we're going to turn this over to the vice president. We believe FEMA is competent to coordinate this effort.' And so Congress moved on to other things, like tax cuts and the issue of the day.”

“We predicted it,” Hart says of Tuesday's horrific events. “We said Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers -- that's a quote (from the commission's Phase One Report) from the fall of 1999.”

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/

The Gore Commission
also known as the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.
http://www.airportnet.org/depts/regulatory/gorecom.htm

Here is what seems to have happened to the recomendations of the Gore Commission:
We begin our news with a quote: “The federal government should consider aviation security as a national security issue, and provide substantial funding for capital improvements. The Commission believes that terrorist attacks on civil aviation are directed at the United States, and that there should be an ongoing federal commitment to reducing the threats that they pose.”

If you think that comes from a recent Bush White House report, guess again. In the summer of 1996, shortly after the crash of TWA flight 800, President Clinton asked Vice President Al Gore to chair a commission on improving air transportation safety. As a result, the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security, commonly known as the Gore Commission, conducted an in-depth analysis of the U.S. commercial airlines' safeguards against terrorist attacks. In its final report, which is what I quoted from a moment ago, the Gore Commission found that security measures used by U.S. airlines were extremely inadequate, and made over 50 recommendations to improve security.

What happened? Well, the Gore Commission demanded tougher airline security, but airlines and conservatives said no. Specifically, the airline industry dismissed the threat of terrorists, and attacked the commission. Indeed, the day after the final report was published, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association fought back with a legislative action of their own that claimed the Gore Commission existed simply to thwart the will of the Republican Congress.

And conservative ideologues rejected the proposal on “cost-effectiveness” grounds. OK, so how much are 6,000 lives worth - not to mention the dollar value placed on the World Trade Center, a portion of the Pentagon, an economic recession, and America's security?
http://www.d28dems.org/pspeak/psE85.htm

For instance, the commission, headed by then-Vice President Al Gore, wanted airlines to screen all passengers with computerized profiling systems to detect potential terrorists.
http://www.detnews.com/2001/nation/0110/06/nation-312052.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=25100&forum=DCForumID35

I think that what Shrub is doing is *creating* terrorism and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people and whole families.
Before 9.11:
Bush defunds international organizations that provide abortions or abortion counseling to poor women.
Bush postures over North Korea.
Bush pulls out of the Kyoto treaty.
Bush makes a gaffe over Taiwan/China policy.
Bush returns the world to a Cold War-level arms race.
Bush rejects a protocol to enforce germ warfare treaty.
Bush denies Africans AIDS drugs through international aid agency.
Bush isolates United States in denying support for Kyoto treaty.
Bush officially rejects germ warfare treaty protocol.
Bush announces that the United States will withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.
Bush skips an international conference on racism.
After 9.11:
Bush tries to end arms sanctions.
Bush proposes trying suspected terrorists with military tribunals.
Bush abandons ABM treaty.
Bush plans to store--rather than destroy--nuclear weapons slated for reduction.
Bush invents the “axis of evil.”
Bush tries to limit Congressional probes of September 11 terrorist attacks.
Bush releases his laughable global warming plan.
Bush makes the possibility of using nuclear weapons much more likely.
Bush lifts restrictions on aid to Colombia.
http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

The center of Shrub Inc's rhetoric (and actions) in their anti-terrorism campaign has been to turn the grey areas into either bright white or dark black. “Axis of evil”, “With us or against us”, “Good verus evil”. Their rhetoric can be easily manipulated by savy hawks in order to justify war or an escalation in their current war against another group of people.

For example, Sharon's recent speech sounded alot to me like one of Shrub's speeches with references to bin Laden replaced with references to Arafat.

Also, lets not forget that Shrub has NOTHING substantial (he hasn't even tried!) to decrease the suicide bomber attacks on Israeli innocents. Nothing. Contrast this misadminstration to the Clinton/Gore administration where Arafat was THE foreign leader who *most* visited the White House.

Also, I should mention that Clinton managed to help Palistine and Isreal come closer than anytime in the past 30 years to a permanent peace treaty between their people. And look what Shrub Inc. did to try to undermine this:


In 2000, when Prime Minister Ehud Barak, PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and President Clinton were meeting at Camp David, Perle made news when he warned Barak not to let Vice President Al Gore become involved in the peace summit, for fear it would boost Gore's election prospects. He also told Barak to “walk away” from a peace plan if it left the thorny issue of a divided Jerusalem unresolved. Working as an advisor to candidate Bush, Perle warned Barak he would urge the Texas governor to condemn any peace plan that gave the PLO a foothold in Jerusalem. The Bush campaign quickly distanced itself from Perle's remarks.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/09/05/perle/index.html

Anger at peace talks 'meddling'
Political scandal in US as Bush advisers tell Israelis to be ready to walk out of Camp David negotiations
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,342857,00.html

You’re Invited to the War Party (“Bush at War” book review)
By Georgie Anne Geyer

Ever since his Watergate revelations, which helped evict a president and change the United States for all time, for better or worse Bob Woodward has stood as the major force in a new genre of journalism. He talks, wheedles, and, using government officials’ personal ambitions and dreams of political eternity, implicitly threatens his way into the often closed corridors of power—there, he is a master at getting a certain number of figures who try their best to remain aloof and unknown to tell their stories. The proposition, understood if not explicitly spoken, is that this book, as his former ones, will tell the story—you miss out on leave on this journalistic port, fellow, you miss the whole historic ship!

First of all, Bush at War is really about the decision-making process in the upper levels of the Bush administration—the White House, the State Department, and the Pentagon—from the exact morning of Sept. 11th. It begins with a profoundly worried George Tenet, head of the CIA and, from all of the space he gets in the book, obviously one of Woodward’s best and favored sources. That very morning, Tenet is wondering about when Osama bin Laden, whom he has been desperately tracking, will strike the U.S. Then “it” happens—and from then onward, the book delineates day-by-day, and sometimes hour-by-hour and minute-by-minute—what supposedly went on in meeting after meeting. From all accounts that I know of, Woodward’s interpretations are exactly right; it is the quotes that are so bothersome.

Another time, he says to Woodward, “I’m the commander—see, I don’t need to explain—I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don’t feel like I owe anybody an explanation.”

At still another point after the Afghan war has started, the president says to his staff, “Look, our strategy is to create chaos, to create a vacuum.” And Woodward ends the book with another quote from the president, in which he again reflects the obsessive chaos theory of the neoconservatives surrounding him like sentinels and for whom Iraq has become the sina quo non of political existence: “We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of our great nation.” Whew.
http://www.amconmag.com/01_13_03/geyer7.html
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:02 AM
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24. Thank you for all the resources w4rma
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:10 AM
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27. don't know about all this BUT
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:12 AM by Djinn
I do remember vividly that just after 9/11 the Taliban (who the bush admin was happy to deal with in regards to a pipeline) offering PUBLICALLY to hand over Osama if they saw some evidence suggesting he was responsible - they didn't even ask for proof - just some evidence

bush could have "got" Osama and saved the lives of THOUSANDS of innocent afghan civilians

And as for the freeps - I got booted for asking why if no-one watches or buys Mike Moore's stuff why there would be a need to boycott him I did it politely and was actually interested in the response - your still here Mr Reborn so DU can't be that censorious
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:17 AM
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30. Great, now kindly let this thread sink into oblivion. (eom)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:17 AM
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31. Great, now kindly let this thread sink into oblivion. (eom)
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:19 AM
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32. wow awesome post, read it and weep freeper!
of course I know you'll keep believing all the lies...you don't want the truth cuz you'd rather stay ignorant...I feel sorry for you.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:43 AM
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34. Yea we did get a lot of usefull info
hopefully the freeper read some and learned. :)
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Coinkydink Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:44 AM
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35. Clinton, Osama, Freepers
In the research I have done about the Clinton/Osama thingy... At the time the offer to hand over Osama was made, Osama had already left Sudan and gone presumeably to Afghanistan where his father-in-law was a Taliban leader.

Re: Freepers. When we were protesting in my small town the upcoming attack on Iraq some self proclaimed Freepers tried to disrupt the protests pushing elderly protestors, swearing in front of kids and disrupting a prayer for Peace. So we called the police to come and keep order there. They came and stood by watching and finally the freepers stopped being so threatening.

I went online to the Freepers forum and asked them if that behavior is what the Free Republic trains it's disruptors to do. They cut me off the forum after one post. Oh well, it's not the first time conservatives have been afraid of dissenters and it won't be the last.

http:/www.southvalleypeacecenter.org}(
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:09 AM
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40. Welcome to DU Coinkydink
:hi:
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bubba_fett Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:59 AM
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38. Bravo
I've looked into this a little too, but this blows my "research" out of the water.

Thanks. I mean it, that was a small victory that really made my day, and it gave me some reading material that will become my own ammunition.




It got real quiet in here didn't it?
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:49 AM
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36. My article
I wrote this a year ago, but as far as Clinton, it should be up to date:

http://www.literalpolitics.com/RamseyRants/RamseyArticles/whatdidhe.htm
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:08 AM
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39. I heard a "rumour" that Sudan was offering Osama to Clinton at one time
Prolly made up repuke crap.
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