Gore is disloyal

[virtualobserver]

That seems to be the message from Lieberman and Kerry.

"I don't have anything to say today about Al Gore's sense of loyalty," said Lieberman, who had waited to announce his candidacy until after Gore said he would not run in 2004. "I have no regrets about the loyalty that I had to him."

Message: I was so loyal and Gore betrayed me.


"I was sort of surprised today, actually, by the endorsement, because I thought that Joe Lieberman had shown such extraordinary loyalty in delaying his own campaign, that it surprised me," Kerry said to applause from the audience.

Message: I was surprised at how disloyal Gore was.


The reality here is that Gore intended to notify Lieberman before the announcement, but wanted to keep a lid on it. When it leaked, he called Lieberman (multiple times) but apparently Joe was sulking somewhere.

The reaction from both Kerry and Lieberman was childish, and incredibly un-presidential. I think that it hurts them both.

And this quote from Kerry was very un-presidential........it was more pResidential........“If I were an impolite person, I would tell you where to put your polls,’’ said Kerry, who had been the leader in polls here until Dean surged to the front last June


It helps Dean and Clark, and it hurts Kerry and Lieberman.





snips are from
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/elec04.prez.gore.dean.reax/index.html

except for the Kerry quote which is from
http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031210/NEWS01/212100344

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. oh my god

Did Joe Lieberman just say something about loyalty? Did he even have a modicum of irony in the statement, he must be kidding. This coming from a guy who goes on Fox news and talks smack about every one of his Democratic competitors.

[virtualobserver]

6. martyrdom will probably help him to explain his defeat to himself

I would have won, but I was betrayed by Gore.

[liberalhistorian]

11. Yes, he certainly has become quite

adept at playing the martyr, hasn't he?

[CMT]

2. they should stop crying

as for Lieberman, Gore put him in the position where he could run for president by choosing him for VP.

[Terran]

18. good point!

Lieberman would be unknown outside of Connecticut if it weren't for Gore. He should be grateful for that and stop whining.

[Racenut20]

3. LOL, I would have your attitude if I were a Dean backer too.

[liberalhistorian]

10. Well, let's look at Lieberman's loyalty

to Gore and other Dems, shall we? He's done nothing but cut down other Dems, especially the other candidates, for two years now. He's sucked up to Shrub and company on one too many pieces of legislation and issues, (faith-based initiative, Iraq, etc.), trying to drive the party to the right and away from its base, ignoring evidence that that only divides the party and angers the base, causing us to blow elections such as in 2002. Without Gore choosing him as a VP, he'd be NOWHERE right now, and, because Gore knows LIEberman better now than he did three years ago, maybe Gore knows things about him that caused him to realize it would be best not to endorse him. And the biggest irony of all as far as LIEberman whining about "loyalty" is his stabbing Gore in the back in 2000, telling the press that Gore might as well give it up and concede because Shrub was really the winner, BEFORE ANY RECOUNT!!!!!

Holy Joe and Gore are not "friends", Gore has the right to endorse whoever the hell he wants to and to make that endorsement public, LIEberman is not "owed" Gore's endorsement, and LIEberman does NOT have the divine right to have the nomination conferred on him, as he so annoying seems to believe.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Well said! Thank you!

[wtmusic]

16. Lieberman is a petulant little pr*ck

and at least we got to see his true colors before he ended up in the White House

[liberalhistorian]

17. I hope he NEVER

ends up in the White House!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. Perhaps...

Perhaps if Lieberman didn't try so hard to be a Republican, he wouldn't have this type of problem.

[brainshrub]

5. Sour Grapes

But Gore should have called Lieberman first.

[virtualobserver]

9. according to Gore....

He intended to do that and the story leaked unexpectedly.

He immediately called Lieberman multiple times with no callback.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Lieberman should have told Gore when he was going to...

...be highly critical of Gore, too. Didn't happen, did it?

Lieberman Critical of Gore for Moving Campaign Off Center
<http://www.loper.org/~george/archives/2002/Jul/36.html>

"In recent weeks, Mr. Lieberman has repeatedly expressed concerns that Democratic efforts to seize allegations of corporate abuse on Wall Street could undo efforts made by some members of the party - most of whom are affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Council and refer to themselves as New Democrats - to move to the center, and rebut its image as antibusiness."

So, anyone asking for punishment of corporations that break the law is accused by Joe as being "antibusiness"? Hmmmm.

Sounds quite a bit like something the NeoCons would say. Oh, that's right...Joe IS a NeoCon.

[caledesi]

7. Joe KNEW beforehand. That's what Randi Rhodes contends. nt

[Ripley]

8. Once again the typical establishment Dems attack someone for

evolving. Gore has been giving speeches for the last 3 years attacking the very policies Smirk has put into place with Lieberman right there with him. Why would Gore support Lieberman when he stands with the wrong team?

I think Al made a huge mistake choosing Joe as a VP...should have gone with Edwards and he would have sewn it up.

Gore may have been premature in making his endorsement, but clearly the senators are just jealous they didn't get it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. Gore Disloyal to the DLC.....in a nutshell...and i love President Gore!

[trogdor]

15. Loyalty has limits.

James Carville said so. Picking a candidate who can beat George Bush overrides whatever loyalty Al Gore might owe Joe Lieberman. Period.

[Blue_Roses]

19. Did You Even Listen to the entire

debate? Obviously not, because you would have seen WHO he addressed this quote:"If I were an impolite person, I would tell you where to put your polls." It was Ted Koppel,because Koppel kept hammering STUPID UNNESSARY questions at the candidates.

Kerry wasn't "sulking." He like ALL the other candidates were tired of rhetoric from Koppel. Even Dean gave a HEARTY LAUGH AND CLAP for Kerry sticking it to the rat-haired weasle Koppel.

These "half-quotes" are something I expect from the republicans not our own...we are all on the same side right?

[virtualobserver]

21. I'm not saying that it wasn't cute.....

I just don't feel that it was Presidential, and I don't think that it helped Kerry.

If you disagree, I respect that.

[Blue_Roses]

33. well, I can understand

how it may have not looked Presidential, but neither have many other things Dean has said have either, or Sharpton, or DK, or ...I guess I am tired, as so are the candidates obviously, of the media bashing with no stance on our part. Did you ever see Lloyd Bentson in the debate with Dan Quayle where he said, "...you are no Kennedy," after Quayle tried to compare himself to him. It was a classic moment.

I think all gloves will be off this election cycle. Bush has set the "looking Presidential" standards pretty low with his cynic smart-ass remarks.

[virtualobserver]

40. I agree that they all have made remarks that could be questioned.

I certainly would not want to be a professional advising Kerry on strategy right now. I think that Kerry waited too long to take off his gloves. I'm not implying that he has not criticized Bush sufficiently, just that his tone wasn't quite harsh enough, which allowed Dean to take control of the race.

With the divided anti-Dean vote, unless a couple of people drop out or fade dramatically, Dean has the nomination.

[Blue_Roses]

43. ahhhhh....

With the divided anti-Dean vote, unless a couple of people drop out or fade dramatically, Dean has the nomination.

This is what you wanted to say all along, why tap dance with me or maybe I should be asking myself, why do I bite to these threads...

[John_H]

20. If the speculation I'm hearing about '08 is true

And only Al Gore and God know if it is, then Gore is far worse than Joe Lieberman.

If Gore is helping Dean because he thinks the chimpo'll whip him, opening the door to a Gore 08 run, he's actually worse than lieberman letting chimp off the hook for Enron for his own political future.

[virtualobserver]

24. that "speculation" is not from anyone who has heard Gore speak out...

against Bush.

Gore's speeches this year have been fantastic.

[John_H]

30. Look, I don't want to believe it either

but if Dean loses big and Gore runs in '08 we'll know the answer.

[virtualobserver]

38. even if both things occurred.............

that would still not imply that Gore thought or hoped that Dean would lose.

[dansolo]

42. Just like Joe losing in 2000 and running in 2004?

Couldn't you also argue that the reason that Joe was so willing to concede the election in 2000 was because he was looking to run in 2004? I find it funny that people are making this speculation about Gore when they are describing exactly what Joe Lieberman has done.

[sendero]

25. I love these..

... dirty little theories.

They are amusing but I don't buy them for a second.

Show me one shred of evidence that Al Gore is that kind of man. And please, don't bother with the "he hurt Holy Joe's feelings" bit because my IQ is above 90.

[nannygoat]

28. The right-wing pundits saying the same thing also

remark about how the true test will be if Al Gore gives Dean some of his $6-8 million campaign fund. I heard this morning (on c-span) that Al Gore is planning to do just that. That doesn't sound much like President Gore has an ulterior motive. Al Gore cares deeply about this country and after what he endured from the right-wing freaks and repukes who trashed him 24/7 and his fellow Dems who hung him out to dry, I think he is a courageous American who has put aside his own pain and aspirations in order to get that illegal, fraud, moron out of the White House.

[John_H]

32. E.J Dionne said it too as did

a former Clinton staffer--who's name I can't remember--on CNBC last night.

[Cheswick2.0]

35. it's bullshit I don't care what hack said it

sorry but there is no evidence that Gore is that kind of person.
Cut the crap, we have enough toxin in the party without you adding to it.

[Cheswick2.0]

34. how can you possibly believe that?

It doesn't even make any sense. How would backing a losing candidate now set him up for 2008?

[no_hypocrisy]

22. Holy Joe may get more mileage by avoiding the role of a victim because

Gore endorsed Howard Dean. And stop acting sanctimonious as though he were always morally superior to anybody to whom he is compared.

He should express gratitude for the boost he got in 2000 and leave it at that. Demonstrate level-headed thinking and maturity.

[Hep]

23. YEah, Joe, your IWR vote was a great show of loyalty to us.

Asshole.

[Hep]

26. HEY JOE, where you goin with that gun in your hand?

Going to shoot al gore, you know I caught him endorsing another man.

[dwckabal]

27. I don't see it as an issue of loyalty

It's been 3 years since the election, and Gore and Lieberman have slowly shifted their politics, Gore to the left and Lieberman to the right. I didn't like him as Gore's running mate and I don't like him now. He is too sanctimonious and doesn't resonate well with the average voter (IMHO). Gore's endorsement of Dean to me says he admits he made a mistake picking Lieberman for VP in 2000. Did he have an obligation to notify Lieberman (or anyone, for that matter) of his intentions? I don't think so.

[MoonRiver]

29. Well, LIEberman betrays the Democratic Party and American people

whenever he votes for Chimpy's imperialist aggression and farrightwing social agenda. Oh, and that's about 100% of the time. Here's what I think of LIEberman's whining hypocrisy:
:puke:

I say this even though I disapprove of what Gore did. LIEberman's outrageous pot calling kettle black behavior is another matter.

[realFedUp]

31. I agree...

Lieberman was fortunate to be chosen to run as
Veep with Gore and that contract was up after
Bush stole the election.

Joe has voted with Bush Inc. on most of the major issues
which Al doesn't agree with.

Why would anyone endorse a candidate who number
one doesn't have a good showing among Dems and
voted to give Bush the blank check to invade?

Al was correct in saying that Dean has the strongest
grassroots support that has led to the best financing
in this campaign.

[Carni]

37. I agree with you 100%

His public whining is making the Democrats look foolish and is giving the whole "soreloserman" Freep types more material. He should go have his pity party in private IMO

[Gringo]

36. Even if it had been a snub...

Lieberman was deserving of it because he stabbed Gore in the back after the 2000 selection, basically called him a sore loser on record, rather than standing up for the fact that he WON. Picking Holy Joe was the worst mistake Gore ever made.

[Carni]

39. I agree with this as well!

Of all the picks why him? The one guy that whined right along with the Republicans about "Clinton's conduct" UG! :(

[virtualobserver]

41. I hadn't heard that.......

How did that come up, exactly?