Where do Kerry and Edwards stand on "partial birth abortion"?

[realFedUp]

Since neither of them voted on S.3.

[KensPen]

1. Ok since I got slammed

for "democrat flag"

I'll nail you for buying their language reguarding "late term abortion".

[realFedUp]

4. It's referred to in every speech in Congress

I didn't make it up and I don't like the term either.

[La_Serpiente]

2. Kerry was against it

They voted against it in the past. So did Edwards I believe.

I'll try to find a link.

Here is Edwards:

http://www.issues2000.org/John_Edwards.htm#Abortion

Voted No on banning late term abortions (1999)

And here is Kerry:

http://issues2002.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm#Abortion

Voted No on banning late term abortions (1999)

At least they have a record

[realFedUp]

23. Thank you...it would be helpful if someone could cite the bill in 1999

Wading through a whole year of bills brought to
the Senate is exhausting! :-)

[pistoff democrat]

3. "interesting source" Edwards/ Kerry/Lieberman

http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/release012803.html

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. Edwards supports a ban, Kerry does not

Although Edwards has said that he wouldn't have voted for the ban that was passed recently because it did not include a provision for the health of the mother.

[PurityOfEssence]

Edwards is against it if there's no provision for the health of the mother

Jesus fucking Christ, you even SAY THAT IN YOUR MESSAGE, yet make it sound like he's a philistine on the biggest, most hot-button issue in American politics in your header. Thanks. More casual readers have now been misinformed about this man.

Get it together, will you?! Do you also desire to marginalize him, or is this part of his endless streak of bad luck?

There are many others of us who have similar beliefs, and except for some weird case where the mother has been in a coma or something and is only able to make the decision for the first time at such a late stage, I'm in agreement. If you've seen an ultrasound of a baby in the womb, you might have a similar feeling; I can show you a video of my son looking inquisitively at the imaging device when he notices it. THAT is a living thing.

What the hell is going on here? Edwards PUBLICLY STATED that he was against this bill for precisely this reason. Will you please retract this error and be more careful in the future?

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. uh...no, I ain't retracting anything

Edwards supports a ban on partial birth abortion.

That is HIS position, not mine. I'm not making it up. Go ask him yourself.

But he would not have voted for the recent bill banning it.

Two, totally different things. And I expressed them correctly. In general, Kerry supports it and Edwards opposes it.

[JI7]

6. kerry voted against ban

john kerry voted against the recent bill banning it. he has done so previously also. john edwards is also opposed to any bans.

[realFedUp]

7. You should look at the final record then....

Neither of them voted on this bill....3 didn't.
Even Joe Lieberman voted against this ban.

[JI7]

9. so they weren't there

check out naral website. they both are prochoice. and have a record of it.

[realFedUp]

12. Kerry doesn't seem to be there lately on major bills

like Medicare and S.3
Guess he wants to have it both ways.

[JI7]

14. campaigning

it's common when candidates are campaigning. he is there when there is a possibility for his vote to help change the direction of the bills.

[seaglass]

16. Repub talking point used since last fall.

He's my Senator and my priority for him is his run for the Presidency as long as he's there when his vote is needed. And he is.

I guess it's just easier to run when you're unemployed and have no responsibilities.

[JI7]

19. they would love democratic senators to stay and vote

the republican controlled congress would love for the democratic members to stay and vote on bills that will go the republican way each time rather than go out there and campaign and speak to the people of the issues. that's how the republican controlled house was able to get the medicare reform bill passed while most of the country slept and get away with it.

[JI7]

8. check out naral website

i think it's www.naral.org.

[realFedUp]

10. Here's the final vote site

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00051

Don't quote me a site until you can provide the truth.
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 108th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 3 As Amended )
Vote Number: 51 Vote Date: March 13, 2003, 09:45 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 3 (Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 )
Measure Title: A bill to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion.
Vote Counts: YEAs 64
NAYs 33
Not Voting 3

[JI7]

17. there was a recent vote in november i believe

in october or november 2003. kerry voted against the ban.

[curse10]

24. that's correct, there was a second bill, in October

which he voted "no" on.

[realFedUp]

25. Yes, that's right...there were two votes

One in March and one in October. I just found
the second vote and Kerry did vote against it.
I apologize for the mix up.

[curse10]

11. Kerry's against a pba ban

and voted against such legislation in the past. He's always been adamantly pro-choice.

[realFedUp]

13. Why did he skip the vote then?

Cite the evidence that he is for or against "partial birth abortion"

[La_Serpiente]

15. Look at my posts a couple notches up

and you'll see his record on it. He voted against it in 1999.

[curse10]

20. It's not that hard to find this info...

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3332&can_id=S0421103

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2619&can_id=S0421103

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=2043&can_id=S0421103

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Looks like Kerry and Edwards were AWOL.

Playing it "safe" again.

[blm]

21. They are both for FULL reproductive rights for women.

Sorry you couldn't recall that the GOP scheduled that vote for the day that both Edwards and Kerry were due to speak at events for the Ca. Dem convention. That was a cosmetic vote because they knew they had the numbers for it and that ANY bill was automatically going to the Supreme Court, and so Daschle scheduled a sense of the Senate vote on Roe v. Wade to reaffirm the commitment to it ias a constitutional right before Kerry and Edwards left DC.

btw....NARAL and NOW saw that and didn't fault either one, so why does it upset you? Or weren't you aware of the whole scenario?

Kerry did come out a week later and state that he WOULD have a litmus tests for judges, that they would have to see Roe v. Wade as a SETTLED and ACCEPTED constitutional right.

[realFedUp]

26. It's easier for me to read your comments

when you aren't calling names in between....

[SoCalDem]

22. Both are red herrings.,...Just clever use of the GAGG rule

Guns
Abortion..(partial or otherwise)
God
Gays
................

I call them G.A.G.G... These issues are NEVER going to be satisfactorily resolved.. They are trotted out every election cycle, just like Grandma's tattered Christmas ornaments get trotted out every December.. It's a habit.. These issues are "used" for nothing more than stumbling blocks.. Both parties use them, and I say BRAVO to the first coordinated party effort that says.. NO MORE..

No amount of legislation will ever prevent people from getting abortions, having guns, praying or being gay.. So These issues need to be turned back to where they belong.. THE PRIVATE SECTOR.. Amazing how the repubes who value private sector so much, insist on using private sector issues to bludgeon any politician who would DARE to disagree with their own ideas on these subjects..

We are sophisticated enough by now to see through the nonsense and just STOP IT..