Dean parody site...

[mzmolly]

http://www.deanforamericans.com

How can we find out who 'owns' this site? Seems many here may use this ridiculous site for reference?

[Bombtrack]

1. it's about friggin time

.

[mzmolly]

4. It's about friggin time?

x(

[xultar]

34. Yo mama's so stupid, she asked you "What is the number for 911".

[liberalnurse]

40. Your replies are really anoying and

insulting on a daily basis. Why do you even come to DU if you hate democrats.

[xultar]

2. WTF, that better not be any Democratic or Greens n/t

[Langis]

3. It looks like a Democrat did it

:argh:

[Bombtrack]

7. why? Dean is the enemy of democratic party prosperity

the author of that site is a true patriot as far as many democrats are concerned

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mzmolly]

16. "True Patriot"

Those words speak for themself. :eyes:

[Andromeda]

35. People like you give this site a bad name.

n/t

[liberalnurse]

43. It gives me a feeling of nausea

and I don't visit DU much any more. Yea, I guess I'm giving them the power, I could place on ignore.....but it is so epidemic.

Such posts are contaminating to the theme of DU and the democratic party mission.

[Skwmom]

50. I'll second that.

Since the corporate media won't speak the truth about Howard Dean someone has to.

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. Which of the quotes attributed to him are false?

If people are using things from that site as a reference, shouldn't the Dean supporters set the record straight?

[mzmolly]

10. We do it here every day.

:hi:

[DuctapeFatwa]

17. So which quotes are false? I'm asking because

That site doesn't seem to be the only one that has them.

There isn't much you can do about a site put up by a private individual, but it seems like Dean himself would want to get with the regular news sites that have these same quotes.

[mzmolly]

I wont rehash every lame bit of info on that site here.

:) WE could collect trash pieces on every candidate if we so choose. Anyone with a brain knows that.

[DuctapeFatwa]

26. Are you saying that the quotes are genuine?

I don't support any of the candidates, but I believe they all have the same right to free speech as you or I do, and I believe that AP, CNN, whatever, have a responsibility to quote them accurately, and if they don't, then Dean's office should not hesitate to document the inaccuracy.

If the quotes are genuine, I'm kind of confused, what is the problem?
Dean has the right to express his opinion! In fact, since he is running for President, I would be surprised if he didn't express it.

[mzmolly]

28. I'm saying this is 'trash central' and the garbage has been spread

around on DU and debated here. I'm not gonna debate any of it in this thread.

[DuctapeFatwa]

32. He either said the things or he didn't

If he didn't, then there are some major news organizations that need to be held accountable.

If he did, and you support him, why would you call his words "trash?"

[mzmolly]

33. The things that he "said" or didn't say have been debated here...

I'm not taking your bait, can you tell?

[DuctapeFatwa]

44. No bait here. Curious why you seem ashamed of his positions tho

I have been privately informed, and my own googling seems to indicate, that the quotes attributed to Dean on this person's site are factual, and what Dean said.

Now if you are a Dean supporter, those are your candidates' positions.

There really is no bait intended. I do not support any of the candidates, of any party, but if I did, I wouldn't have any problem saying "yes" or "no" straight out when asked "did Candidate X say thus and such."

But that is admittedly just my take, you have your own way of supporting your guy, and that's cool, too.

[mzmolly]

48. Ahh, the site owner has been outed...

as I said, not takin your bait. :hi:

I have debated every issue on that site, not gonna do it HERE, get it?!

[DuctapeFatwa]

52. Here is some advice

If you support a candidate - any candidate, support him for what he is, and do it proudly and without shame or lies or doubletalk or tricks.

I just said this in another thread on a similar theme, but there are people who haven't made up their minds, and you are not helping your guy by acting like his positions are some shameful thing that you aren't going to "debate."

Listen, I am not a candidate. I don't have a candidate or anything to debate. I don't have an axe to grind, if Candidate X's position on Y issue is Z, that's fine with me.

All of the candidates have led very public lives. They are who they are. Their past is what it is, and their positions are what they are.

When you (or anyone else) who purports to support Dean (or anyone else) refuses to give a straight answer to the question "Did he say that?" you make your candidate look a lot worse than whatever the thing said is.

Debate is when someone wants to argue with your candidate's position.

I have no interest in doing that. All this started because I merely asked if the quotes were real. Simple yes or no question.

Since I asked, I have found out that they were. I have also found out that you apparently wish they weren't.

And thanks for thinking I am so technical that I could produce such an elaborate website, but after preaching about honesty I will have to confess that I still feel a little thrill of triumph every time I turn the computer ON successfully :)

[SahaleArm]

6. Some quick background info - whois

It's been around for a while: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001927.html

Whois info for, deanforamericans.com:

Registrant:
Amalgamated Inc.
P.O. Box 26783
San Francisco, CA 94109
US

Domain name: DEANFORAMERICANS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Okrajdichnick, Jon [e-mail]
P.O. Box 26783
San Francisco, CA 94109
US
608469-4892
Technical Contact:
Registration, Domain [e-mail]
2400 Louisiana NE
Albuquerque, NM 87110
US
+1.8007623998

[Clark Can WIN]

21. It's illeagal to post the whois info

better exnay that with an edit.

[deminflorida]

27. Yep, I'm a Systems Engineer...

Better get rid of that, the Feds may come down on this site.....

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. how come it's illegal?

Various sites, and even operating systems if I remember correctly, allow you to make the query. Is it just copyright problems?

[robsul82]

8. Democrats fervently attacking Dean? NO!

Next you'll tell me George Michael likes men!

Later.

RJS

[w13rd0]

9. here...

Registrant:
Amalgamated Inc.
P.O. Box 26783
San Francisco, CA 94109
US

Domain name: DEANFORAMERICANS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Okrajdichnick, Jon [e-mail]
P.O. Box 26783
San Francisco, CA 94109
US
608469-4892
Technical Contact:
Registration, Domain [e-mail]
2400 Louisiana NE
Albuquerque, NM 87110
US
+1.8007623998


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 18-Nov-2003.
Record expires on 20-Aug-2004.
Record Created on 20-Aug-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM 66.96.128.2
NS2.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM 209.12.212.2
NS3.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM 66.96.128.4

[mzmolly]

11. Thanks ! Now what to do with this information?

he he

[mot78]

14. Someone call this guy up and ask who he's supporting

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. here's some public info

Domain Name: DEANFORAMERICANS.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org
Name Server: NS1.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS2.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS3.NETWORKSHOSTING.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 20-nov-2003
Creation Date: 20-aug-2003
Expiration Date: 20-aug-2004

Registrant:
Twit Deleters
18550 Calby Lane, Suite 1234
San Arismino, CA 97112
US

Administrative Contact:
Okrajdichnick, Jon [e-mail]
18550 Calby Lane, Suite 1234
San Arismino, CA 97112
US
3135612309

[mzmolly]

31. Seems to be a Michigan phone number?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&client=REAL-tb&q=3135612309

:shrug:

It's obviously a Dem supporter of another candidate.

And get this?

"It's registered to a Mailboxes Etc location in Bellevue"
http://photoart.biphoto.com/messages/383.html

[Closer]

13. I'd bet my entire

savings that a Clarkette made that site.

And I'd bet HALF my savings that a DU Clarkette made it.

[mzmolly]

18. I agree it's a DU'er most likely.

:shrug:

[OhioStateProgressive]

41. from the looks of it, it is the same guy who owns kucinich.com

[liberalnurse]

45. It sure smells like it.

[bhunt70]

46. what kinda hate is that?

?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. this graphic is unfair

[_NorCal_D_]

20. Yes,

Dean will also win DC! :evilgrin:

[jpgpenn]

24. No

He may not even get the 3 from Vermont.

[_NorCal_D_]

22. Interesting site.

These are some legitimate questions that concern me as well:

10 Questions to Ask Howard

Maybe Howard can answer these questions so there can be more evidence of flip-flops.

1. Why did you support sending Vermont's nuclear waste to the poor, mostly Hispanic town of Sierra Blanca, Texas, 16 miles from the Mexican border -- a plan described as "blatant environmental racism" by Paul Wellstone?
2. Why did the Dean administration increase funding for Vermont's state colleges by only 7% while you increased funding for prisons by 150%?
3. Why did IBM, the leading polluter in Vermont, receive your Environmental Achievement Award nine times?
4. What did you mean when you said, "I've had 40 or 45 private meetings with IBM since I've been governor. And IBM has gotten pretty much everything they've asked for"?
5. Why did you wait for the courts and legislature to bring about the civil union bill before you supported it? Why did you sign the bill in private when you finally did sign it?
6. Why do you oppose the Israeli Labour Party candidate for prime minister Amram Mitzna's call for unconditional peace talks with the Palestinians?
7. While you acknowledge that you "haven't condemned Congress for passing the Patriot Act," Bernie Sanders from your own state of Vermont is leading efforts in Congress to overturn the Act. Why are you not supporting Bernie Sanders' efforts and condemning Congress for its attack on civil liberties?
8. How do you respond to Annette Smith of Vermonters For A Clean Environment who says: "Dean's attempt to run for president as an environmentalist is nothing but a fraud. He's destroyed the Agency of Natural Resources, he's refused to meet with environmentalists while constantly meeting with developers, and he's made the permitting process one, big dysfunctional joke. EP under Governor Dean meant Expedite Permits, not Environmental Protection"?
9. Since you pride yourself on your "fiscal responsibility" who do you refuse to even consider any decreases in the bloated Pentagon budget?
10. Why did you go skiing in Aspen, Colorado and become a ski bum after getting a Vietnam Back Injury Deferral less than two months?

[OhioStateProgressive]

23. yeah...they did this to Kucinich too(nt)

[JohnKleeb]

30. you mean that one blog or kucinich.com

[OhioStateProgressive]

36. kucinich.com

that site sickens me so bad..."it fills me with the urge to defecate" (gotta love those Pink Floyd references:) )

[_NorCal_D_]

38. I agree.

That site and http://www.republicansforsharpton.com/ disgust me. :puke::puke:

[OhioStateProgressive]

39. owned by the same person I believe(nt)

[deminflorida]

25. Wow, they put some work in on that one too....

Registered the domain and everything....Oh, well when your the front-runner...

I'm glad Clark is running second of third, and I'm glad he wasn't around State or Federal politics as much....

Shit like this really hurts.....

[mzmolly]

29. Well it's not really 'hurting'

Dean in the polls or with the voters so??? :) I guess he/we have the last laugh.

[_NorCal_D_]

42. It's only a joke after all.

Much like www.whitehouse.org B-)

[neuvocat]

37. Trash.

That's all that site is. Trash.

[PatrickS]

47. Anti-Dean Thread #179

And that's only those posted today.

[mzmolly]

49. Patrick I'm a Dean supporter....

;) I just find it interesting that so much antideanism seems to come from that lamo source ...