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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:19 PM
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Dean folks: My advice on dealing with slimeball attacks
It's abundantly clear that the more success Dean sees, the hue and cry of his denunciation squad rises exponentially. Shockingly enough, a lot of it comes from his own party.

It's also clear that there are a handful of people here at DU (you know who you are) who are responsible for 90% of the sewage flung at Dean on a daily level. They are set in their ways. They are not getting any converts from what I can see, and we stand zero chance of changing their minds. They appear to center all of their energies on negativity and congratulating each other.

We who support Dean are increasingly wasting our keystrokes on trying to defend him against all of this rhetorical baloney. My advice is, don't. It's pulling our focus away from building support for our candidate. It's a waste of our energy. I suggest we channel all that back into posting reasons to support Dean, and ignoring the Goebbelsian attacks on him. If you find some positive, contructive and well crafted criticism and want to respond in kind, I encourage that. If you must, however, respond to one of the many slimeball attacks on him, I say give it the one word response it deserves: "Poop".

Yes, that's what I said. Poop.

Just type those four simple letters in the subject line and move on. I plan to practice my own sermonette here, from this post onward.

Dean in '04.


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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:21 PM
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1. Great idea!
and :poop: on all of 'em :D
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:23 PM
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2. Isn't the administration supposed to ban disruptors?
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:31 PM
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9. Yeah, the are and they do, generally.
The problem here is that the incessant Dean sludgefest is somehow falling under the radar as non-disrupting. I've noticed this with a lot of rightists in my experience, too. They can do this stuff by just barely, by a toad's hair, steering clear of breaking the rules while continuing with their baloney barrage. It gets no one anywhere but it sure fattens up the ol' archives.

As if that matters.


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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:02 PM
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31. How about assembling a list of disruptors, so we can all
put them on "ignore" ? Seriously... Since you are suggesting to ignore them anyway...
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:23 PM
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3. well if you'll excuse me....
I've got a lot of "poop"ing to do. lol
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:25 PM
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4. LOL !!! --- I'm Likin It !!!
:bounce:
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:28 PM
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5. People are still reeling...
from the Gore endorsment. Things will calm down, eventually. If not, we get to bash Bush for another couple of years, and then finally experience: martial law, the draft, full scale nukular war, and for the lucky survivors, what human flesh tastes like, since there won't be any crop-food in the U.S. due to radiation, pollution and global warming.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:33 PM
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10. Impending flesheating!! LOL
Yikes!

Is that a MEME?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:29 PM
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6. I like...
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 09:30 PM by mzmolly
or how bout a smiley instead... :nopity: I like this one-pretty much sayz it all!
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:29 PM
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7. "Goebbelsian"!?
That's priceless! :)
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:34 PM
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12. I think is has something to do with Turkey communication
Very profound.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:29 PM
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8. I will miss your eloquent debate! But I hear
ya! I don't even bother with "Poop"..in fact I don't even read them ..I just like the rebuttals! :)
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:34 PM
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11. I am extending that to negative attacks on all candidates
I don't care which candidate gets a negative attack thread or which DUer starts it, Poop will be my response
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batman Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:36 PM
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14. You mean this one??
:hurts:
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:44 PM
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23. Oh god I LOVE IT
I know exactly where that little guy is coming from.

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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:43 PM
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22. That's not a damn bad idea at all. Salve!
.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:35 PM
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13. Aye aye....Captain Lee!!!..........Onward to sunny days with "POOP"
Bravo for your brilliance!!!!

:+ :bounce: :+
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:36 PM
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15. positive, constructive and well crafted criticism
i do not like Dean's support for bush's invasion of Afghanistan. this war was about oil pipelines, not terrorism ... and what's been the result? warlords growing poppies ... i can't imagine why Dean supports this war ...

I'd be interested to know whether Dean supporters agree with Dean on his position re: Afghanistan ...
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:48 PM
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25. I personally disagree with Dean on this one.
We inadvertantly (?) made the Taliban the enemy when in fact they had done nothing short of host AlQaeda in their country - and remember at the time they claimed vociferously to have no knowledge of AlQaeda operations and attack plans.

That war happened on a ravaged nation who had the misfortune of being in the crosshairs of a military superpower bent on revenge for 9/11.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:04 PM
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34. then let me ask you this ...
and please understand that i am neither for or against Dean ...

but i dislike the partisanship your thread conveys ...

have you been as critical of Dean on this issue as you have been of Kerry for supporting the IWR ... i doubt it ...

would it be fair to challenge you on this point?

i hated Kerry's IWR vote ... he's my damned senator ... i called his office before the vote and told them it was critical he not go along with bush ... i was told his calls were running 20-1 against the resolution ... and he voted for it anyway ...

but I just can't get too juiced about Dean either ... how the hell could he support the war in Afghanistan ... how could he go along with bush's charade ... Afghanistan had nothing to do with terrorism ... it was about one little old oil pipeline and billions of dollars for big oil ... i'm not telling anyone not to support Dean ... i'm telling you you're dishonest if you can't be as critical of Dean's Afghanistan support as you are of Kerry's IWR vote ...

i find very little integrity on DU when it comes to candidate threads ... i would have far more respect for those who support a candidate if they would be willing to scream as loudly as they can when their candidates do something really stupid ... i guess that's not how the game is played ... and that's too bad ... it's a real turnoff for me and probably for many others who are trying to find the best candidate ... without integrity, you'll never be able to convince people to support your candidate ...

and frankly, reading through DU threads filled with "poop" is no better than most of the other candidate drivel that passes for "discussion" in the General Discussion forum ...
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:20 PM
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43. Dean is opposing the Iraq War for all the right reasons
Since I cannot and will not speak for Dr. Dean, let me tell you why I oppose both wars; and why I think the Iraq mess is a more critical issue right now.

Afghanistan was in the horrid position of being the hometurf for a group that the US had it's riflesites on, seething with vengent rage after 9/11. The Taliban government never, to my knowledge, did a thing to threaten the USA either overtly or covertly. They asked for evidence from the US government that AlQaeda was responsible for the attacks on 9/11, and instead got an attack, overthrow and occupation. The Taliban became an "enemy" so quickly in the press and the US propaganda machine that it made my head spin.

What are the results? The Taliban is reforming, the warlords are starting to throw in with them against the occupiers, Afghanistan is still a mess, a puppet gov't is literally under seige anywhere outside of Kabul, and worst of all the alleged mastermind of 9/11 is still running around somewhere. We have gained nothing but the animosity of anothe nation which has made a history out of fighting and gradually vanquishing its invaders. I would guess that Dean sees this differently, that there was a valid threat to the USA from the Taliban. But I disagree.

Now Iraq. We are all painfully aware of that shitmess. But here's where it's more important to me. Tens of thousands of civilians there (and now we won't know anymore because they are going to stop counting) dead, US occupying and plundering their resources, all so that this lying resident can exact revenge on Saddam and rape Iraq's resources clean dry. To boot, this sets a pattern into motion that is in sync with the PNAC plan of world domination. Disaster.

Dean more vociferously opposed this war for good reason. It has done more damage in human terms, is more foreboding in what it suggests as coming US policy on the world, and is a better textbook example of how a government manufactures daily lies to cover up it's crimes.

Dean comes off to me as a man fiercely opinionated and willing to defend, but his opposition to the way this war came about shows me he is an ardent opponent of the PNAC plan. I'm sorry to say that Kerry and the Rose Garden Quislings appear week when it comes to opposing this insidious and potentially disastrous doctrine.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:37 PM
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16. Alot Of The "SEWAGE" Is Dean's Own ACTUAL Record
and Dean's own personality and Dean's own statements and Dean's own campaign.

just keep on pretending it doesn't exist.... and that those who don't support him are "bashing"

The media won't keep Dean's Teflon through the General Election...

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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:40 PM
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17. poop
on you
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:41 PM
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18. You make a pretty good point...
FOR ME TO POOP ON!
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:51 PM
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27. You guys are cracking me the hell up
I laughed so hard on that one, some noodles went up my nose. Thanks alot.


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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:02 PM
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32. No noodles here
but there would have been if I'd been eating...ROFLMAO!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:30 PM
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51. Here's Dean's record....
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:41 PM
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19. Excellent advice
Concise, no waste of time and energy in fruitless, repetitive discussion, yet still makes a point.

I like it.

My other option, which I was leaning toward earlier today, is leaving DU for a while. I don't want to do that, so I love your "POOP" idea.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:42 PM
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20. Fabulous idea.
I'm 100% behind you.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:43 PM
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21. Do we have to use that particular word? It's not one of my favorites.
But then I generally avoid the real flamefests anyway.
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batman Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:45 PM
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24. Just use this guy....
:hurts:
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:50 PM
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26. You're creative....substitute a favorite :)
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. YAWN is a good alternative
and one of my personal favorites...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:01 PM
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29. I agree wholeheartedly and
without having read the rest of the thread, have some additional suggestions.

One thing we can do sometimes is Feed the Troll Goal (and post about it in the thread, of course):

Trolls for Dean
http://trolls4dean.com/

Another thing -- I'm not all that keen on saying "poop" -- is merely post correct information with links and no comment as my hero for this, w13rd, does. (Did I get that name right? I don't think I ever have.)

But yes, posting new threads w/positive news is absolutely appropriate.

Don't forget Ignore -- and the new Hide Thread Feature.

And remember, DU -- esp. under its current, um, configuration -- is not any kind of microcosm of the real world. It also doesn't have anywhere near 35k members. That number is the sum total of all who have ever registered here, incl freepers who have been kicked off (even repeatedly), people who have multiple IDs (against the rules, I think), people who lost interest and went on their way on their own, and even at least one or two people who no longer walk the earth. So, hell, DU isn't even that influential, if you look at the big picture.

Here's some inspiration for you (I hope):

Taking the Pledge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=854860

And oh! How could I forget -- SPEND MORE TIME ON THE BLOG OR THE MANY DEAN FORUMS AND LISTS!

Eloriel



Note: Any typos will stand. My right hand is broken and I can only use my left hand. Try it sometime to see how it works -- hint: it doesn't. ;-)

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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:13 PM
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40. Yes!
How right you are.

And remember, DU -- esp. under its current, um, configuration -- is not any kind of microcosm of the real world. It also doesn't have anywhere near 35k members. That number is the sum total of all who have ever registered here, incl freepers who have been kicked off (even repeatedly), people who have multiple IDs (against the rules, I think), people who lost interest and went on their way on their own, and even at least one or two people who no longer walk the earth. So, hell, DU isn't even that influential, if you look at the big picture.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:22 PM
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44. Oh! Sorry you broke your hand, Eloriel!
I wondered why you were typing with "one hand" the other night!
Poor thing! Ouch! How the heck did ya do that? :)
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:02 PM
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30. Wonderful idea!
I was considering just avoiding DU til the primaries were over, but your idea has much more appeal. :)

*poop* armed and ready, cap'n
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:03 PM
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33. Put the disruptors on your ignore list.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:08 PM
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36. Hit the ALERT button--check what Skinner said
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:05 PM
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35. A Day in the Future of the Dean Campaign.

"Its common wisdom today that Dean may well win the Democratic nomination. But also that he will lose to Bush in November." - Fox News.

"This is pre-eminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So first of all let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear. . .is fear itself. . . nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." - FDR 1933

A Day in the Future of the Dean Campaign.
Saturday, October 9th, 2004. Dawn.


The crack of dawn, and very good timing, as Gorge E. Keppler finally pulled onto the apparent main street of this particular nondescript town

"See, I told you that you should have turned right at the water. Exactly as the directions say," Marie Keppler said.

Gorge's only response was a submissive yet meaningless, "Yes dear," as he refused to concede his navigational error so easily, even as he drove up to their destination under his wife's navigation. Marie only rolled her eyes at him, knowing her husband well enough to expect no less from him. But in a way that only a soul mate could manage, she failed to see this as a weakness in him.

The pick up truck turned a corner, and the head lights then fell upon the goal that they had driven to reach for the past three hours. The town's park.

But most of the park was still cast in shadow, even as the sky itself was becoming ablaze with clouds of fire, turning into a crisp sky blue. But already there was enough light to see that this described "park" was more accurately an empty field. Navigating his way, he came around to the back end to an alley way that split the park from a row of back yards and utility polls, so that the two of them could unload with little travel.

Gorge then stopped the engine, and the two of them stepped out into the cold morning, closing their jackets against the chill. But as Gorge stepped onto the grass, he found that the City manager was good to his word, and that the "park" had been freshly mowed, and the grass clippings and garbage taken away. But in the shadows, close to the center of the park, was something he saw that captured Gorge's imagination, and was drawn to it.

As the city's manger had said, there was an old public gazebo here. In fact, he was planing on removing it before the event as it was little more than ruins. But Gorge had asked him not to, telling him that he wanted it there, to be an honest cymbal of the town, as embarrassing at it was. And the city manager relented, but more because removing it would take time. It would tare up the grass, and leave a pit behind. Besides, the town was in such shape that removing the gazebo would do little to help the towns appearance.

But as he surveyed the old gazebo, Gorge was glad for the opportunity. It was little more than a pile of half digested lumber, held in a firm grip of vicious thorns that tangled the lumber like a nightmare. In the braking dawn light, Gorge could see flecks of white paint, along with a sign warning stating "Beware, lead contamination." He was hoping that it would at least have a font step still exposed, but the gazeboes fall to ruin was so advanced that the front step could not be seen under the thorns.

"What do you see, Gorge," Marie said coming up behind him.

"I see the towns past," he said with a crushing tone of sadness carried in his voice. Sensing his need, Marie took up his hand into her, intertwining their fingers together. But her hand found that his fingers still had the strength of hope in them, a measure if his determination. He looked down to her with courage in his eyes that was the vary thing she had fallen in love with. "I see this towns past, its present, and its future." Gorge said.

Marie then slipped into his arms for an affectionate hug. "No," she corrected, "You see a dream of a better world. Now what do you say we get to work into making that dream a reality."

Gorge nodded, and the two of them slipped from each other arms, and returned to the pick up. But they had no more than lowered the tail gate, when some one else drove up behind them. And then a car full of volunteers showed up after that. The city manager arrived with several rolls of yellow "DO NOT CROSS" safety tape to cordon off the ruined building on the far side of the street. And the assembly area began to take shape. Within the hour, several dozen volunteers began to arrive to set up chairs and equipment.

By six thirty, young Susan Marry, no more than 23 years old, arrived with a small towed generator and a van full of other equipment. With a short consultation, she began to step up the sound equipment by the ruined gazebo. But she then staked down a tall antenna that was at least 20 feet tall. And informed Gorge that she would rebroadcast the assembly on 104.7 Megahertz and that the signs needed to be changed to reflect this. At best, her transmitter would cover four miles, but that was more than enough distance to cover the town. She then set up a satellite dish to receive an internet audio stream.

But seven, more volunteers had arrived to set up chairs. By seven thirty, an improvised marching band had gathered, and began to warm up their instruments in the cold. And minute by minute, more volunteers arrived. In fact, there were now more volunteers than there was work to be done. So they all stood around debating the latest news. Buy 7:45, a small buss with a wheal chair lift had arrived.

Some of the volunteers then reorganized, and dispatched themselves to some of the surrounding comminutes miles away to see if any work needed to be done there.

And then 7:50, it was show time was arriving. The improve marching band began to take up a formation at the center of main street. But with only eight players, the band seemed absurdly small. But the formation that they took made it seem larger than it was. Gorge and his wife took up a position behind them, on foot. The volunteers began to take up banners and red, white, and blue bunting, and made a formation behind them. The city manager hurried up his duties, and joined Gorge.

And they waited.

8:00 O'clock.

At the signal of a whittle. A snare drum began to beat out a pace. And with practiced precision, the improvised marching band volunteers, and oddly assembled instruments, suddenly stepped off as one. They marched in silence for a time, rounding a corner, and then a second corner, to approach the first residential area. The bus also pulled out, and came up behind the precession.

Then, as they approached the first residential area, there was three blast of the whistle. And the band launched into the Battle Hymn Of The Republic. And suddenly, this sleepy little town was woken up. Folks peeked out their curtains.

Volunteers dash up every side walk, to every house, to knock on every door, to inveighed any one who wanted to come, to join in the precession. The function of the buss was then made apparent as it was there to asset the elderly and infirm to join in the precession. Distracted from their Saturday morning cartoons, the children were the first into the street to join in the parade. Newspaper hats, red, white, and blue balloons, and tiny American flags were handed to help them fully partake of the joy of the parade. The parents then soon followed.

They then turned east and made their way, across the rail road tracks. And they marched into the poor side of town that looked more like occupied ruined than a community. Through the part of town where few would dare to tread. But today, they marched without fear down this street. And more people came out of the trailer parks.

Soon, the whole town turned out. Bu 9:30, they turned around, and began to make there way back to the park. And as they returned, the venders had finally arrived and began to set up shop to sell tea-shits ice-cream cones, hot dogs, soda, and other trinkets. Other tables had also been set up that displayed litterateur of all sorts. Every thing from the war, to the environment. The band took a brake, then reassembled in a corner, and began to play patriotic music that wasn't very well suited for marching.

For a while, Gorge and his wife "pressed the flesh" with the towns folk, introducing himself. But the real event could not yet take place. At 11:15, the first caravan from the nearby community began to arrive. Parking was beginning to become an issue, but the people managed. Organizers learned that they would park else where, such as in a school or other field, then march the spectators to the event. With the bus always ready to take up the elderly or handy capped.

And then the next town arrive, and then the next. In all, six near by comminutes would have been rallied to this very spot.

By noon, it was time to begin the main event, and Gorge stepped up to the top of a portable platform/podium. With a whine of the speakers, Gorge began to clear his throat to gain every one's attention.

But before he spoke, he looked down and saw his wife up front. And drew one final measure of strength from her, and then spook up to the microphone.

"Good evening. I am glad every one here could come today, as I am glad that we have such a nice day today, and that things are starting to warm up. My name is Gorge E. Keppler. An I am a Democrat who happens to be running for your district for the Kansas State level Legislature. And I want to tell you know that I am a liberal. Something that I suspect few of you has ever seen. And probably some of you might want to tar and feather, and run out of town.

"But before you do that, there are some things I want to say. Look behind me, and you will see what is left of a town gazebo that was built in the center of your town park. It’s a humble place, I will grant you that. A fixer-upper to be sure. But your humility for your town is not warranted! The town around you is NOT its true nature. This gazebo behind me used to be a place where a brass band, one better than ours here, used to play in the spring time on the cities pay role. To fill this park with music and life. And these bitter thorns that hold captive the scraps of rotting lumber, these thrones are those of rose bushes, still alive, still growing, still blooming in the sprint time. Imagine them as they surly were a long time ago, well tended, and neatly trimmed around this very same white gazebo, with the red roses in full bloom. This is not some far off place, not some distant city. But right behind me, and with in your sight. Separated only by two things, time, and care. And know this story as well. In this very gazebo, a pare of young lovers once stood in there, right in the center. Enjoying a warm spring day, in each others company, listening to the birds sing in the surrounding trees. And then with out warning, he dropped himself to one knee in front of her, and asks her to become Mrs. Julia Stinesold. Two months later, in June of 1931, Mr. and Mrs. Stinesold were wed, right here. Right in this very spot, and in the sight of the Lord himself. It says so in the town's record. They even had a news paper clipping of the event, printed from a newspaper press that was located just across the street." Gorge said. "Mr. & Mrs. Stinesold remained married had a heart attack in 1985. Mrs. Stinesold died only four years ago. A citizen of this very community.

"And look behind me, across that street. As I have already said, this town used to have a printing press. But it also once had a twenty room hotel, a five lane bowling alley, a movie theater, and a restaurant that became a malt shop in the 60's. There was a movie theater here, where every one would have learned how World War Two was progressing. And over there, that closed up brick shop. That used to sell gas and fix cars and tractors, until its owner was forced to retire at sixty two only twelve years ago, and he died five years ago. His will leaves the shop to any one who wants to work on cars, with the shop itself to be sold at half the market value. There have been no takers for his offer.

"And ask yourself now, why are these things gone now. Why is even the gazebo gone? Many of you here live in this community because you want to have a piece of the American Dream. A home for your kids to grow up in, with a white picket fence. But what is the worth of that dream without the brass band playing in the park, and without weddings taking place in the sight of God? Your children live here, but do they play here? Ask yourself. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR TOWN!!!

"Well I am here to do more than answer those questions for you. As I am running for the state house, I plan to execute the solutions to those very answers. And I am not here before you now alone. Within an hour, Howard Dean, the Democratic candidate for President of the United States of America, shall speak to you live. And he will tell you that America, that your country, is not strong, that it is not wealthy, that all is not well here. And look around you, and at your town. For your town is America and as your town rests in ruins, so to dose America rest in ruin. But it need not stay that way. We do not have to surrender to this. You can rebuild your town to the painted glory it once knew. I am here to help you do just that, and Howard Dean is here, to help me, help you. To help you retake your town from the grip of the thieving politicians. To retake your main street from the grip of the greedy corporations. We are ALL here to take back America!"
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:25 PM
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46. /\__ Hello, something positive here.
I agree. We waiste out time hashing it out with the Dean bashers. We only need to keep the record straite.

But this still leaves a vacume. You have to boost the good stuff, where ever you find it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:26 PM
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49. Yeah! "Keeping the record straight" is a 24/7
Job!
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artr2 Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:10 PM
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37. My ignore list grows daily
Frankly, I could care less what they have to say is attack, attack, attack. I like debating others about Howard Dean but some people insist on starting threads with no other intent then sliming Dean with some half truth. I will not listen to shit like that anymore
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:13 PM
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39. WELL SAID atr2... Same here....
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SIBYL 16 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:19 PM
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42. Dean Knows what Dean Wants
Bogas here. Dean knows how to split up a great Party, He's allot like Me! It's all about Me and the POWER!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:25 PM
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47. POOP!
:hurts:
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:29 PM
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50. Damn...beat me to it! :)
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:12 PM
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38. I better go buy a ton of toilet paper
for all the "pooping" that will be going on around here. Should I buy stock in Scott Tissue? :D
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:17 PM
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41. Scott Lee, I don't like that Goebbelsian remark in reference to your
fellows Dems, not one bit. POOP! We're Dems, we're not suppose to agree about everything.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:24 PM
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45. Dean in 04!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:25 PM
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48. Yep. We're all Nazis.
"I don't think he really has to prove anything. I think that most Americans, including myself, will take the president's word for it."
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:31 PM
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52. Locking
Inflammatory.
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