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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:20 PM
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Calm down folks...
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 10:02 PM by kentuck
Take a deep breath. It doesn't matter who our candidate turns out to be. He will beat the socks off of George W Bush. The Repubs are talking a good game but their goose is cooked. Bush will be lucky to get 40% of the vote. The Democrats will probably take back the House and perhaps the Senate. This is a time to be positive, not to attack each other. We should be cheering each side forward when they make a good statement or do something worthy. I am happy that Clark is creating such interest. I am happy that Dean has motivated so many people to get involved. I am happy that Dennis Kucinich gets to give his excellent liberal, compassionate message in the debates. I am happy that Carol Moseley Braun is the second black woman to run for President. I am happy to see Al Sharpton's sharp barbs toward the media whores. I am happy to see all of them do good.

It is our Democratic primary voters that will decide who the nominee is - not us. I trust that they will make a wise judgement. No matter who they choose, I will be happy, very happy, to cast my vote for the person they choose. I support John Kerry but I will not be bitter if he loses to one of the other fine candidates. I would be very happy if he wins the nomination. :)

(historical correction on Braun)
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:24 PM
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1. Bravo!!
One of the more salient posts I've read in quite some time.

Thank God, whoever/whatever he/she/it be/is to you, for the Democratic party.

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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:29 PM
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2. Thank you!
Well said. I'm of like mind - removing the present Administration is the goal, folks.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:37 PM
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3. Shirley Chisolm ran for prez in 1972
But I like your post. :thumbsup:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:01 PM
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7. Excellent correction!
Thanks! :)
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:38 PM
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4. what you said! n/t
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:42 PM
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5. Thank You
Well Said! Good Show!

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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:51 PM
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6. kick
:kick:
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:08 PM
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8. Amen
Nice post kentuck.

I am weary of all the pointless in-fighting. I like my energies focused against the Pirnce of Darkness.
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:08 PM
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9. Amen
Nice post kentuck.

I am weary of all the pointless in-fighting. I like my energies focused against the Prince of Darkness.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:14 PM
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10. Hello, parade. Come meet my rain.
I second most of what you've said, but some things you state are very wrong, dangerously wrong.

It doesn't matter who our candidate turns out to be. He will beat the socks off of George W Bush.

Sadly, no. You're wrong. It matters a great deal who we nominate. Bush remains extremely popular with people--even among people who disagree with his policies, worry about his competance, and state right now that they want someone else to have a chance to lead the country.


The Repubs are talking a good game but their goose is cooked. Bush will be lucky to get 40% of the vote.

We wish. The difference between winner and loser will be less than 6%. Nader will be able to tip this one, too. At his lowest ebb, with the economy in shambles, the war a total flop, and the bodies just beginning to pile up last fall, Bush still had the support of over 45%. Now there's enough business financial activity to allow the media to justify claims that the recovery has begun.

And Rove has a full year left in which to craft a precise, divisive, laser-sharp message attacking the Democratic nominee. Whatever Bush's negative are, they are the negatives of a known quantity. In desperate or fearful times, people will seek solace in the familiar. All sorts of cheesy stunts are already in play to coalesce right around the end of October. Bush will make every effort to make it look like a pull out of Iraq--his biggest negative--is in the works, which will alleviate the greatest concerns of the voters.

Matched up against a well-sullied Democrat, Bush will appear to be the lesser of two evils to millions of voters. Even more of the disatisfied voters will stay home if they find enough to dislike in the Democrat. Running down the final vote tally works in Bush's favor. Expect that to be an unstated strategy on Rove's part.

Couple that up with Bush's millions, which no Democrat, even Dr Internet himself, will be able to match. Couple that up with the Republicans having a better funded and possibly better organized GOTV effort.

Couple that with the likelihood of a terrorist attack on the US some time between now and the election. (I'm no LIHOPer, but there are folks out there who want to kill us; more than there were on 9/11/01). If that happens and the DoJ or DoD can solve the case or retaliate effectively before Halloween, Bush can count on a significant sympathy surge.


The Democrats will probably take back the House and perhaps the Senate.

There are very very few swing states left in the House. Most of the at risk seats in the 2004 cycle are Democratic and we're facing several resignations from senators in Republican-leaning seats.

Oh, and there's the Black Boxes.



We should be cheering each side forward when they make a good statement or do something worthy.

On this we whole heartedly agree. But I won't only stick to positive statements. I'm a genuinely optimistic person. I think we can win. But I'm reminded of something that John Glenn said about NASA right after the Challenger disaster.

"They've gone from a can-do attitude to a can't lose attitude."

I refuse to underestimate my opponent. These guys play hard, play dirty, and know every trick in the book. I will not be Dukakised this year. Dean worries me that he is a Dukakis (also touted as a straight shooting can-do moderate, IYRC). I was a Dukakis organizer in '88. I know what it felt like going into that race and I can't forget how it felt coming out.

America will survive another four years of George Bush. Some of the high school kids I'm educating right now may not. This is personal for me. I will vote for ABB. But I demand the right to argue vigorously in favor of the one I think is the right ABB. If we do not look critically at all of our ABBs, we will certainly pollyanna ourselves into a the 2005 North Korean war and the 2007 Syrian war.

And Rove will wink at Jeb.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:22 PM
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12. That's one hell of a post, Bucky
And dead-on accurate.

And remember, the Dukakisizing was but a mere test run of Goebbels v2.0. It is ten times better finances and thrice as powerful. It has begun to weave the Matrix in ways I could never have imagined (but Orwell could).

You are correct that we have a variety of factors against us.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:32 PM
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13. It doesn't matter...
Because there are only 3 or 4 at the most that stand a realistic shot and I think I can support either of them. But I see where you're coming from. We just need some positive vibes around here. :)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:18 PM
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11. kentuck, I think the Busheviks are here in force, stirring us up
Think about it, all those College Bush Youth folks, Bushevik political operatives, they don't have a primary foe.

I think there's a lot of these bastards getting the pot boiling and then taking off.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 10:33 PM
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14. I saw one earlier that posted that got about 200 posts and...
and he never returned after his first post and everybody bit on it.
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