Dean leads in ...........TEXAS!!

[hedda_foil]

I knew the Dean supporters in Texas have been growing like crazy and working like demons for months but this is AMAZING! MOE or no MOE!

New Poll: Dean in the lead in Texas.

Howard Dean- 16
Clark- 14
Lieberman- 14

Conducted by the Scripps Research Center, the poll randomly surveyed 1,000 Texans between Nov. 14 and Dec. 6; 38 percent of the respondents said they are Republicans, 25 percent said they are Democrats and 23 percent identified themselves as independents. The remainder did not give a party affiliation

The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points and was slightly larger for subgroups.

The new poll placed President Bush's job approval rating at 58 percent, down from 71 percent in the spring and 65 percent in the summer.


http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/7458001.htm

[wtmusic]

1. I think I see a trend developing...

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[madfloridian]

2. My daughter said she was seeing big attitude changes there in TX

She has been afraid for two years to open her liberal mouth, now it is not so bad. She says she has just been seeing this lately. Dean has great support in Dallas/Plano/Ft. Worth.

[meow mix]

3. have to say..

that poll looks scrumptious for clark too =)

[madfloridian]

9. Yes, very close.

It looks like they polled Democrats and Republicans mixed.

[Sean Reynolds]

4. 58% in his state?

Wow, we probably wont win Texas, but if that drops to at least four more points, he's gonna be in trouble.

[lastliberalintexas]

34. That is the best part

The fact that Shrub only has 58% approval here says a lot about next year's race and our chances. It's a very good poll for Dems in general. Even though we won't win Texas next year, wouldn't it be great to be within 10 points?!!

[GOPisEvil]

35. What will really be nice is if * is forced to actually spend money here.

That means less money for other states.

[LuminousX]

37. This is where grassroots efforts really pay off

Small groups can effectively guerilla campaign in Texas. We can make it a less secure state for Bush and make him waste time and money there.

Fundamentally, we need to take Texas.

[lastliberalintexas]

40. Exactly!

We won't win next year, but God it would be nice to keep him under 55%! And if we do, just imagine what a blowout the election could be for Dems nationwide! And Texas will be trending Dem within the next decade- demographics are definitely in our favor. We just need to be able to last through the next few years.


:hi: David. Hope you're doing well!

[GOPisEvil]

50. Yep...with the DeLay memos coming out...

...more people are going to see the R's for what they really are.

:hi: I hope your bun in the oven is doing well.

[cally]

44. That's exactly what I thought

I haven't seen the polls in other states except California. If Bush has to campaign hard in the South and Texas, then that helps the Dem candidates. Great news! :bounce:

[pmbryant]

57. I think there is no chance Bush will need to spend money here

Gore didn't need to spend money in California in 2000 (not even his home turf) and Bush won't need to spend money in Texas in 2004.

This state is too far gone, not even counting in the home-field advantage Bush has.

:-(

--Peter

[lastliberalintexas]

58. Why do you say that?

Not that I think we can win, but we can certainly improve on 2000. Shrub only got 59% of the vote in 2000- when the economy was considered good and Texas unemployment figures were very low. That's not the case right now, and things don't look like they'll be improving in the near future. And Texas Dems are more energized than we have been in a decade.

Again, I don't think we can win 2004, but the state isn't *that* far gone. I'm not trying to lecture you Peter, but we've got to have a better attitude about things! :-) Keeping Shrub below 55% in his "home" state as an incumbent seeking (re)election WOULD be a victory as far as I'm concerned!

[slinkerwink]

5. THAT's AWESOME!!!!!

:party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:

[RevolutionStartsNow]

6. That's amazing

Texans for Dean are working hard, apparently.

Dean is headed up in all of the state polls I've seen in the past couple of days, and none of these take into account the Gore endorsement.

[dave29]

52. Yes

we are ;)

[bluestateguy]

7. Most of the Lieberman votes will go to Clark

Lieberman will be out by March 9 and I can't see those votes going to Dean. Given Dean's extensive organization in Texas, he should be polling better than that.

[slinkerwink]

8. *rolls eyes*

don't you get it? This means that the dem nominee can beat bush, even in Texas!

[bluestateguy]

12. Um

If the Democratic nominee wins in Texas I will personally dance naked in the streets of the most lily white Republican suburb in Texas. Pick the town.

[burning bush]

29. Midland

but ah... do we really want to see you dance naked? Maybe you could wear a little George of the Jungle butt flap, or something?

[pmbryant]

23. Dems won't win Texas

That much is certain. Our nominee could win nationally in a huge landslide, but Texas will go to Bush. After all, the GOP runs the entire state apparatus these days and it is Bush's "home" base.

One thing I don't understand about this poll is if they counted GOP respondents' choices for the Dem nominee.

:shrug:

--Peter

[jsw_81]

33. No way

Dean may win the Democratic primary in Texas, but he has no chance at all of winning Texas in November. None.

[KaraokeKarlton]

14. Actually, Lieberman's numbers are about name recognition

more than anything else. That's because they associate him with Gore. Those who don't like Bush but aren't really paying attention are more likely to auutomatically lean towards Dean just because Gore has endorsed him. I think this type of situation is the main area that Gore's endorsement is going to really help Dean in any significant way. Of course there are the devout Gore loyalists who will probably fall in line behind Dean for that reason as well. I'm sure Clark will get some of those votes, but predicting that he'll get most of them is really not too wise.

[Eloriel]

22. His extensive organization of

volunteers?

Why don't you tell us all about them, since you are so well-informed. I'd like very much to hear more abiout them and what they're up to -- in addiyion to the several hundred "Texas Rangers" (volunteers) that went up to NH I think it was a few weeks ago.

[Polemonium]

46. Ann Richards

wasn't she the Dem from Texas pre shrub. I know it's a long shot but I think the Texas door is open just a bit.

[Melodybe]

10. Good hit them where it hurts!

Just ask anyone about the redistricting of Austin, the most liberal town in Texas. It is split down the middle and grouped with 2 conservative counties. That is right, all of those democratic votes, that used to be in their own district, will now loose to the majority of the conservative counties. Plenty are pissed! As they should be. What makes me mad is that because the repubs are totally made up of liars and cheats, they cheer when someone thinks of a good way to lie and cheat and not get caught. Don't believe me, who used to cheat of you in high school.

YAY Dean and YAY Clark

[sleipnir]

11. It's over!!! Dean wins!

Well, I'll say that Dean looks to win the nomination and I seriously doubt anyone will challenge him. They really should all drop out so Dean can save his money to fight Bush. It's the only honest option for the other 8.

[opihimoimoi]

15. Bush is screwing up so badly, he has a good chance to lose Texas

What goes around, comes around,

Like father, like son. a one termer

and Arnie is not Ed Zackery helping either. His California problemas only starting but to date: it don look too good.

So the Bush is in deep doo without a clue

[Melodybe]

18. Don't say that! I am glad that both polled well.

Saying that everyone else should drop out just causes arguements. It makes people feel like their candidate is being attacked and then they only respond with more hate and venom. While I am a Dean supporter as well, I like both almost equally, and want a Dean/Clark ticket more than anything else. We have the mainstream media that is already flaming the fire of a Gore/Clinton show down, that as far as I can tell doesn't seem to exist. I will not attack any supporter of the democratic candidates, I only attack those that say they won't vote for the nominee.

[sleipnir]

20. I see what you're saying

But sometimes reality is a hard thing to recognize. It seems like people here on DU don't like the fact that they picked a losing horse, but they'll ride that horse till it dies somewhere on the back end of the track.

[Melodybe]

28. Can't you just be happy on your own?

Why would you try to rub it in someone's face? I mean he isn't towering over any of the candidates. Two points is enough to be in the lead right now, but unless they like the nominee enough to vote for him/her (Dean/Clark/Kucinich/Kerry whoever) then you are doing nothing but hurting us all. We all have to vote democrat in '04 that is all that matters.

[frustrated_lefty]

32. Please avoid gratuitous flamebaiting

I'm saying this as a Deanie. We all need a little more effort towards civility around here lately. :)

[Kool Kitty]

49. You know, I think that it's great

that the polls look so good, especially in Texas, but I think that until anyone votes, the race is still open. Don't be so condescending (sp?). Good for Dean, good for Dems, good for all of us.

[QC]

25. Yes, all that nonsense about voting and such is just an inconvenience

for the Annointed One.

That attitude is what leads to a good 90% of the conflict on this board. If you feel that way, then fine, but you have no right to gripe about how mean people here are when you run around dispensing flamebait.

[Le Taz Hot]

39. Well, personally, it would be nice if

everyone got a chance to vote first. You do the Dean campaign a disservice by advocating everyone else drop out before a single vote is cast. Bad form, dude/dudette.

[kayleybeth]

13. I don't mean to rain on your parade but...

that's not really a lead... it's a statistical dead heat. They are all within the MoE of each other.

:ducking and running now: :-)

[slinkerwink]

17. I know, but still, it's amazing!

[David Zephyr]

16. Revealing Poll.

There's anger swelling across the land.

People don't like being duped.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, you radical hedda_foil!

:hi:

[slinkerwink]

19. no matter what the repubs try to do, they can't escape the people!

[janx]

21. Are you serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

It's about time!

The American people are wonderful Hedda, don't you think?

They're just great. I love them.

[TrueAmerican]

24. Good for Dean

nm

[Sean Reynolds]

26. I think the 58% is good for ALL DEMS!

Bush will win Texas, BUT if he only wins by say 53% - that could be a bad sign nationally.

[dave29]

53. We have a year to make it look

real bad for Bush in his home state. I think we can do it :)

[deminflorida]

27. Yeah, I believe that....

look at the last loser they produced.

[lastliberalintexas]

38. Umm, no

George Walker Bush is a product of New England- his pedigree, his early years, his schooling from Andover to Yale/Harvard. He hardly stayed in Texas unless and until it was to avoid service in Vietnam, make money off of his family's oil business friends, and run for political office.

I've pointed this out to several of my Texas repub friends, since that would not be allowed for anyone else. Hell, my family is barely considered Texan, and we've been here for 4 generations. :-)

[QC]

30. What about the other 56%

16+14+14=44. So what's the breakdown on the remaining 56% of respondents?

[frustrated_lefty]

31. Bush will have to spend RESOURCES to win Texas.

Even if he wins in Texas, those are resources that won't be spent in Ohio, for example. This is GOOD news.

[Uzybone]

43. LOL

keep dreaming. Seriously unless he institutes the draft or we have a major recession, Bush will win Texas easily. No Dem nominee even has a chance, and Dean would probably be the worst.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

36. Heh

[slinkerwink]

42. I love the fact that Zephyr went to Texas!

;-)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

48. Yep, Texas has its share of Dean supporters

Remember the Texas Rangers, going to NH and IA to canvass a few months ago?

I think a lot of Texans, beyond Natalie Maines, are ashamed of Bush.

[CMT]

41. excellent news

latest polls out of southern states: Texas, Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, and even SC have been good for Dean.

[slinkerwink]

47. and this was before the gore endorsement came out!

[littlejoe]

45. This just goes to show you

that there are some free thinking people in the state of Texas.

[dave29]

55. and some other people who are now thinking

"oh sh@t!"

;)

[bushisanidiot]

51. DEAN, Changing Hearts & Minds Across America!!

go Dr. Dean Go!!!!

[slinkerwink]

54. he's definitely got the big 'mo, but we'll have to wait and see

[Lisa0825]

56. Yes, we Texans have been working hard!!!

I can't wait to go to Iowa next month! I hope I can find some warm clothes in the stores here before I go!

Some facts to keep in mind.... Bush didn't win Texas by all that much, considering the fact that it is his so-called home state. what was it? 56%? Also, Gore carried Houston.

I don't thinkwe will win Texas, but I wouldn't say it's impossible, and even making it close will be a statement.

TrueAmerican, I like Clark too, and I just wanted to tell you that your banner is beautiful! Did you make that? If so, good job! :)

[slinkerwink]

59. you're a fellow texan also?

that rocks!