Which of these 2 tickets has a better chance at beating Bush?

[Mattforclark]

Poll question: Which of these 2 tickets has a better chance at beating Bush?

excluding any Dean/other or Clark/other possibilities.

[Parche]

1. KERRY

KERRY/CLARK

[Mattforclark]

3. The question isn't

which ticket would be the BEST ticket, it is which one of these would be better.

[smirkymonkey]

6. That looks good to me!!

Although, I would prefer Kerry/Kucinich - but I am pretty sure that won't happen.

[Beaker]

32. Kerry's place in in the Senate

if he ever grows a permanent set of nads.

Seriously- Kerry on the ticket = 1 less Dem in the Senate, since Romney would name his replacement.

[diamond14]

34. Kerry/Clark is the ticket.....just one picture of dean ski-ing in Aspen

while on a Vietnam draft medical deferrment will give the WH to bush*...the recent flaps about confederate flags, statements about the Iraq war, failure to open his own governor's records, and other easily exposed bloops from Dean, show how easy he is to defeat...IMO, reTHUGlicans are actually donating to dean, because they know he is the easiest to defeat....


the whole campaign is about the Iraq war and homeland security...and it's going to take a couple of BIG time military heros to squash the AWOL bush*....without that issue, we loose...



we need some people who can go through the ringer, like Kerry, who has already stood up to public scrutiny....and Clark, for the BIG security issue....

so it's got to be 'Kerry/Clark'.....

[sandnsea]

41. or even Clark/Kerry

Either way, that's a winner!!

[brainshrub]

2. Dean/Kerry

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. 2 northeastern liberals?

Kerry/Dean has a better chance, but not much more.

[Maeglin]

40. Candidate on his own merits!

How about voting for a president on his own merits? Dean definitely needs Kerry's coat-tails here.

[molly]

43. Kerry does not like Dean

[Doctor Pedantic]

4. But I'm Hoping For

Dean/Edwards or...

Dean/Bayh.

[blm]

13. WHOA...Dean/Bayh? Bayh is damn close to Dean.

That's how Dean will unite the DLC with the Deanies? Now it makes sense why the DLC would put on that dog and pony show for the left knowing full well Dean was as centrist a Dem as they come.

Nice possibility of a plan...and I'm sure his supporters will say he's just being "pragmatic" as usual.

[Doctor Pedantic]

15. I kind of like it...

I'm not much of a "Third Way" guy, but if Bayh helps out in Indiana and Ohio, we can pretty much concede the Solid South and win. This also does send the signal that Dean is more of a moderate than the Bush people will try to make him out to be. Not that it worked with Dukakis/Bentsen (wait! the initials are the same!), but still.....

I think a very strong ticket would actually be Edwards/Bayh. They've both got solid centrist credentials and youthful good looks and energy. That kind of campaign would be reminiscient of Clinton/Gore, I think. Plus we might end up winning both some Southern states and the aforementioned Midwestern ones. I'd rather see someone more liberal win, but if that's not possible, I think this would be a damn fine ticket.

[Walt Starr]

5. I can't vote in this poll

Either of those two stand about an equal chance of defeating Bush.

[Mattforclark]

8. fixed n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Dean/Boxer or Dean/Murray

Why not a woman running mate?

[beyurslf]

10. Agreed

Dean/Napolitano
Dean/Sebelius

[BOSSHOG]

11. Clark-Landrieu

Landrieu has a passion for kicking bush's ass, after his nastiness during her senate runoff. She likes to campaign hard.

[wiley]

35. Landrieu

I have to say that I like the Clark/Landrieu ticket as well. But this is al so premature. First, Clark will win, then he will actually ask people if they want to be VP.


:dem:

[rainy]

20. Love this combo

Boxer oh yea!

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Dean: a great presidential candidate, but a poor VP choice

A number of the attributes which make him an exciting presidential candidate would be poison in a VP. His firebrand style would overshadow the topside of the ticket. Dean speaks his mind, which is refreshing and attractive in a presidential contender, but a VP needs to speak with the same voice as the president.

So if it's one or the other, I'll take Dean/Clark.

[Bombtrack]

12. Dean, a poor vp choice, a horrible presidential candidate

Dean should have a high ranking position in the DNC leadership, but he is Bush's dream candidate for very good reason.

[stickdog]

37. Yeah, because he's in the best position to attack Bush.

And Bush does so well when someone takes him to task on his ridiculously lame record.

[Terwilliger]

14. Where's Clark/Kerry?

:shrug:

[Beaker]

33. Kerry is more important in the Senate than as veep-

Since Romney names his replacement, it means one less Democratic seat.

[SheilaT]

16. I think it's both premature

and really foolish to think either man would select the other as a running mate.

[oasis]

17. MSNBC question of the day: Should Dean pick Hillary for running mate?

Looks as though MSNBC is already conceeding the race to Dean.

[PSU84]

19. Dean's appeal is too narrow - even among Democrats

"Dean's advantage is bolstered by his strong appeal to the well-educated liberal wing of the party in Iowa and New Hampshire. Nearly half of Dean's Iowa supporters are college graduates and far more describe themselves as liberals (38 percent) than conservatives (17 percent). The Dean supporters are notable not just for the vehemence of their opposition to the Iraq war but also for their support of gay marriage and for their variance from national norms of religious belief. Forty percent of the Dean supporters in New Hampshire, his strongest state, say they seldom or never attend church."

- from David Broder's column in the Washington Post, 12/11/03
www.washingtonpost.com

Forget the South, Dean would be lucky to win any states in the Midwest.

[Padraig18]

36. Dean would carry IL overwhelmingly.

Your bias is showing.

[DinkyDem]

21. Sharpton/Kucinich

Why are we discussing who has the best chance of winning instead of WHO ARE THE BEST CANDIDATES?

Any Dem ticket will beat BushCo. We have the momentum on our side. We should choose the TRUE ant-war candidates, Sharpton and Kucinich. That is where the message is, that is where the people are.

Only these two will BRING THE TROOPS HOME!
And that is what will resonate with the PEOPLE on election day 2004.
Isn't that what we want?

[Yupster]

22. Prediction

Dean will not be anyone's VP candidate. It's either prez or nothing for him. I don't see how he would add to anyone's ticket.

[FrenchieCat]

23. I don't even think with Dean on top of the ticket .....

we need to contemplate VPs. He would just lose, no matter who it might be. Dean is weak at the top of the ticket. He's got that environmental Nuclear Vermont Texas dump on his head. Take out one more arrow that Dean will not be able to use against George Bush.

Are there any arrow left? Oh yea, that's right.....Dean has about 20-25% of Democrats following him round.

[rucky]

24. Equal Chance... and unbeatable

[snyttri]

25. Clark/Gephardt

Foreign Policy-Military/Experience-Domestic Policy

[Eric J in MN]

38. You're right. If Clark is the nominee, he should consider Gephardt (nt)

nt

[adadem]

26. Neither one

[cigarstore]

27. Equal chance which is slim

[Zynx]

28. Call me spineless, but I say an equal shot.

That is one hell of a ticket either way. Perhaps the best we have had since Kennedy/Johnson.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. Neither.

Clark/Graham, Clark/Kerry, or Clark/Durbin.

[arewethereyet]

30. equal-ly likely to lose barring a change in both of them

too many bulls eyes on these guys

[Deja Q]

31. Other

Will chocolate pudding be considered better tasting than vanilla?

Or, more aptly, will we find the Loch Ness Monster before we discover time travel?

Won't know until we try, and even then they may not exist or cannot be achieved.

I don't like second guessing. We won't know until Election night, and even then something's gonna be rigged or a well timed disaster will cause bush* to halt the elections entirely (maybe he'll use the diebold business to put elections on hold, if not another preventable "terrorism" attack).

And how do we know Dean or Clark won't accept somebody else? Could be Dean/Lieberman or Clark/Rumsfeld for all we know.

And a lot of DUers were optimistic about 2002, some even arrogant; I remember a sig line with a picture of 4 hands holding posh looking champagne glasses and a really arrogant remark about how we were going to win. About that mindset in general, the phrase "Whoops!" sums it up rather neatly.

[mdmc]

39. Clark might take AK if on the ticket

Not too sure if he should get to "top" Dean. Depends on the nomination.

[Sterling]

42. Clark had his chance he blew it.

You guys can put out the Clark/Dean meme all you want it will not happen.