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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:04 PM
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Novak on attack against Dean - calls him 'loose lips'
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 12:10 PM by rmpalmer
Reposting Per GD rules - here's my opinion.

Novak is a piece of crap just like all the dang wingnuts who can't see their own hyporcrisy, 'loose pen' dares to call Dean 'loose lips'. We're the only ones who should have to live according to the wingnut rules ala Novak, Coulter, etc. If their guys do it's okay. If liberals do it, it's treason. Here's Novak calling Dean a liar and suggesting it's treason, but we know who had no problem doing Rove's bidding for cheap revenge, outted a NOC and endangered National Security. We know if 9/11 had been under Clinton/Gore's watch and they had called Trent Lott or Tom Delay and suggested that any investigation been quashed they'd have already been impeached. But Novak and his ilk cover for our idiot in chief.

Wonder how long it will be before I can even read in mainstream news/books/films that the Bush administration may have had complicity or at the least dumbly ignored the warning signs of 9/11. Certainly speculation as a recent thread here showed about FDR's complicity in Pearl Harbor can be speculated about.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031211.shtml

It was bad enough when Howard Dean, interviewed on National Public Radio Dec. 1, spread a conspiracy theory that George W. Bush ignored Saudi Arabian warnings of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was worse Dec. 7 on "Fox News Sunday," when the Democratic presidential front-runner neither apologized nor repudiated himself for passing along this urban legend.

None of Dean's frantic opponents for the nomination immediately took him to task, not wanting to defend the hated Republican president. A week later, however, they contemplated whether the doctor posed too easy a general election target for President Bush. Al Gore's surprise endorsement boosts Dean among Democrats but surely does not make him more electable.

A half-hour after Dean alarmed party regulars over television Sunday, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on NBC titillated worried Democrats by hesitating at closing the door for 2004. Although her prospects of being nominated for president remain minimal, normally sober Democrats are looking toward Mrs. Clinton in 2004 because of apprehension about what Dean could do to the party.

Unlike George McGovern in 1972, Dean's core problem is not ideological. It is loose lips: fabricating the story of a patient impregnated by her father, seeking support from pickup truck drivers with Confederate flags, and seemingly exulting in his draft deferment for a bad back. Nothing so worries old-style Democratic politicians, however, as proclaiming the apocryphal warning from Saudi Arabia.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:05 PM
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1. Pot...kettle...black
"Loose lips"? This from Bob I-outted-Valerie-Plame Novak? To quote Scrooge, "I'll retire to Bedlam."
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:06 PM
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3. completely. Nuff said.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:06 PM
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2. what a piece of crap indeed!
For Bob Ballsak to call ANYONE "loose lips" is like Bush calling someone a "liar". WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT IN JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG?!?!?!?

Lu Cifer
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:07 PM
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4. Irony NEVER seems to take a vacation around here...
Thanks for the heads up.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:08 PM
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5. "Loose-lips", huh?
And who'd know better than Bob. What an asshole. Why is this man still employed?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:10 PM
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6. Okay: the Saudi thing is not a conspiracy theory.
Just because a piece of news did not come from NewsMAx or Drudge or some other RW source does not make it apocryphal. It just makes it hard to accept for wingers.

Screw Novakula: we all know who the REAL traitor is here.

Novak is insignificant at best, a man who would put a CIA agent's life at risk for the sake of petty partsanship at worst.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:12 PM
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7. Yet another example
of Republicans' incredible lack of ability to recognize irony.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:14 PM
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8. Lies begat lies
until the liars don't know what the truth is anymore. That is the current state of right wing blabbers whose sole reason for existence is to perpetuate the thought in the lemmings heads that bush is good. Unfortunately they are very good at that one thing.

Take a moment and sign a petition at www.bustbob.com. It is being sent to novak's bosses asking them to fire him for his treasonous activities. Currently, more than 8,700 have signed it.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:21 PM
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9. Loose eybrows and tooth Novak
trying out an early "line" on Dean. He's a conspiracy theorist, as well as a Gore-style fabricator.

I trust the Dean campaign knows this is coming. Bring it on.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:35 PM
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11. What is it with these guys? First Rush sez"I think he is on somthing"
refering to Gore.

Now we got Novak saying Dean is "Loose lips"??

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROTHFLMAO BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Have these guys no shame??

They sure take their listeners cheap and for dummies too.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:44 PM
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13. It's Goebbels theory, used in practice
Goebbels realized, and often stated, that it is much easier to tell a really big lie than a small lie. If the lie is big enough, people will think that it can't be a lie, since it would be too shameless to tell a lie that big.

Neocons, however, have no shame.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:29 PM
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10. information
CIA seeks probe of White House

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 — The CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate allegations that the White House broke federal laws by revealing the identity of one of its undercover employees in retaliation against the woman’s husband, a former ambassador who publicly criticized President Bush’s since-discredited claim that Iraq had sought weapons-grade uranium from Africa, NBC News has learned.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=135657

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm

The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

The company's identity, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, became public because it appeared in Federal Election Commission records on a form filled out in 1999 by Valerie Plame, the case officer at the center of the controversy, when she contributed $1,000 to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign.

After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

The Justice Department began a formal criminal investigation of the leak Sept. 26.

The inadvertent disclosure of the name of a business affiliated with the CIA underscores the potential damage to the agency and its operatives caused by the leak of Plame's identity. Intelligence officials have said that once Plame's job as an undercover operative was revealed, other agency secrets could be unraveled and her sources might be compromised or endangered.

A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited their country and to reconstruct her activities.

"That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name," the former diplomat said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40012-2003Oct3.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=147987

Democrats seek assessment of damage caused by outing of US intelligence agent

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Leading Democrats sent a letter to the US agency tasked with safeguarding America's intelligence capability, seeking an immediate assessment of the damage caused by the outing of a CIA agent's identity.

Top Democrats in the US Senate, including Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, asked the National Counterintelligence Executive headed by Michelle Van Cleave to undertake an immediate review of whether US intelligence has been compromised by the leak.

"The exposure of one of America's undercover intelligence officers by an official of the US government constitutes the most egregious form of betrayal," read the letter by Daschle, and fellow Senate Democrats Carl Levin, Joseph Biden, and John Rockefeller.

"Since this case involves the publication of classified information and the extent of the material disclosed is known, we believe that a damage assessment can and should be undertaken immediately," the lawmakers wrote.

"Swift action is needed to protect the individuals whose lives may be at risk," they said, requesting a copy of the findings within 30 days.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031015/pl_afp/us_cia_iraq_politics&cid=1521&ncid=1480
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=539395

Rice 'Knew Nothing' About CIA Agent Leak

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday she knew "nothing of any" White House effort to leak the identity of an undercover CIA officer in July, a charge now under review at the Justice Department.

On the "Fox News Sunday" program, the top aide to President Bush said, "This has been referred to the Justice Department. I think that is the appropriate place for it."

Rice said the White House would cooperate should the Justice Department, headed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, decide to proceed with a criminal investigation of the matter, which centers on the alleged public disclosure of the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Wilson was sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to investigate a report that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Niger, but returned to say it was highly doubtful.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030928/ts_nm/iraq_intelligence_probe_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=136932

A White House smear

Did senior Bush officials blow the cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security—and break the law—in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and intimidate others?

It sure looks that way, if conservative journalist Bob Novak can be trusted.

The sources for Novak’s assertion about Wilson’s wife appear to be “two senior administration officials.” If so, a pair of top Bush officials told a reporter the name of a CIA operative who apparently has worked under what’s known as “nonofficial cover” and who has had the dicey and difficult mission of tracking parties trying to buy or sell weapons of mass destruction or WMD material. If Wilson’s wife is such a person—and the CIA is unlikely to have many employees like her—her career has been destroyed by the Bush administration. (Assuming she did not tell friends and family about her real job, these Bush officials have also damaged her personal life.) Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson says, “Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames.” If she is not a CIA employee and Novak is reporting accurately, then the White House has wrongly branded a woman known to friends as an energy analyst for a private firm as a CIA officer. That would not likely do her much good.

This is not only a possible breach of national security; it is a potential violation of law. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent. The punishment for such an offense is a fine of up to $50,000 and/or up to ten years in prison. Journalists are protected from prosecution, unless they engage in a “pattern of activities” to name agents in order to impair US intelligence activities. So Novak need not worry.

Novak tells me that he was indeed tipped off by government officials about Wilson’s wife and had no reluctance about naming her. “I figured if they gave it to me,” he says. “They’d give it to others....I’m a reporter. Somebody gives me information and it’s accurate. I generally use it.” And Wilson says Novak told him that his sources were administration officials.

http://thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=823
http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/07/23/3f1f5fa79c206
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=18072&mesg_id=18072&page=
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=5913&mesg_id=5913&page=


Novak, in an interview, said his sources had come to him with the information. “I didn't dig it out, it was given to me,” he said. “They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it.”

Wilson and others said such a disclosure would be a violation of the law by the officials, not the columnist.

Novak reported that his “two senior administration officials” told him that it was Plame who suggested sending her husband, Wilson, to Niger.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia0722,0,2346857.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=2326&mesg_id=2326&page=

A War on Wilson?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,465270,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=18113&mesg_id=18113&page=

White House striking back?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/942095.asp?0cv=CA01

Schumer Urges FBI Probe Into Iraq Leaks
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030724/ap_on_go_ot/schumer_agent_1

Probes Expected in ID of CIA Officer
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia233384176jul23,0,5461415.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

The Bush Administration Adopts a Worse-than-Nixonian Tactic: The Deadly Serious Crime Of Naming CIA Operatives by John W. Dean
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030815.html
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OhioStateProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:39 PM
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12. when does the other half of Novaks brain have a stroke?
so then neither side of his lips will work, and we don't have to listen to him anymore
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:49 PM
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14. I sent Novak an email about this
asked him if he really understands what treason is, and if he's outed any more CIA agents lately.

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