Ex-Deaniacs For Clark

[pistoff democrat]

Hey everyone,

I just received an email about the launch of an interesting new Clark website intended for anyone in the Dean camp who might be considering the General.

Being an ex-Dean person myself, I want to see the case for Clark presented in a manner that debunks the rumors going around about him as well as provide some useful links to media clips and the like.

It's also got plenty of stuff for original Clark supporters as well, so poke around and feel free to email them at [e-mail] with any feedback you might have.

And of course, forward this message on to your fifty closest friends and politically-oriented acquaintances.


http://www.ex-deaniacsforclark.com/


:hi:

:grouphug:


:kick: :think:

[wndycty]

1. Thanks. . .

I really liked this graphic. . .Dean passing the torch to Clark

[CWebster]

25. There you go again

Forever trying to create the illusion--trying to break ranks.

You wish.

[wndycty]

27. There I go again doing what?

I am sure you will tell me I am too stupid to understand what you are saying. . .but WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

[eyesroll]

38. Should Dean be saluting Clark?

I've never been in the military, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but civilians don't salute retired generals, right? (Yes, I know it's not a proper salute anyway, but it still jumped out at me.)

Otherwise, cute graphic. Not nearly as divisive as some of the other "switch" graphics I've seen. (I'm not a fan of "The Doctor is Out" on a switch-to-Kucinich site.)

[quinnox]

40. that is a good graphic

It is drawn in an amusing style.

[wndycty]

41. And the blue shorts indicate. . .

. . .that they are on the same team.

[quinnox]

43. Yup

It's teamwork in action as Dean passes the baton.

[mot78]

83. What does this symbolize?

[La_Serpiente]

2. LOL

Who the heck made this website?

[pistoff democrat]

12. You know, I

am embarrassed to say I really don't know.

Why not write the webmaster address and see what comes back, sweetie pie? ;)

[wndycty]

35. The webmaster. . .

. . .just joined the DU so I am sure he will post later. I hope he does not take too much fire. . .he is a good guy I can vouch for him, for whatever its worth. . .probably not much.

[JNelson6563]

3. I should think that if you were just

using DU to promote your site you'd at least have the decency to contribute to compensate the bandwidth you consume for your own self-serving purposes.

Julie

[wndycty]

5. Well I am a contributor. . .

. . .and I will make sure I make another donation. Besides everyone is welcome here on the DU and many people who have joined as a result of the primaries contribute a lot more to the discussion than just the support of their candidates.

Julie--remember we will eventually be on the same team and I look forward to that day--Kisses

[JNelson6563]

52. Sure all are welcome

for discussion, not to promote other sites.

Oh and I will never be on the same team as you. I am a Democrat.

Julie

[wndycty]

55. So am I. . .

. . .I will be supporting the Democratic nominee WHOMEVER it is. . .will you?

[Julien Sorel]

77. But you are not a True Democrat.

Once you swallow the Kool-aid, you will be on the team. Until then, you are one of the deluded, the Bush enablers, the Republicans, the apostates. Really, unless you repent and get with the program, you'll be lucky to avoid being burned at the stake.

[JNelson6563]

104. Right over your head, surprise!!

I don't think a true Democrat, one who is determined to kick the BFEE out of office would spend so much time doing as much damage as possible (including lying, distortion and name calling) to otehr Democrats.

Of course that point is lost on you, but no surprise there.

Julie

[wndycty]

106. You still not have answered the question

I will support the Democratic nominee whomever it is. Will you?

[PatGund]

62. All are welcome??

I'm a Democrat as well. Which is why I support Clark. Dean's my second choice, but I'll support whoever the Democratic nominee is, be they Clark, Dean, or someone else.

So, last time I checked, we were on the same team.

[JNelson6563]

105. It's not a matter of who you support

Here's a hint to what I was referring to: Supporting one's candidate shouldn't include tearing down every other Dem in sight.

My comment was directed at an individual (though applicable to many posters here) not at any particular camp of supporters.

Julie

[pistoff democrat]

11. uh er ahem

it's not my site...we're still arguing about candidates until the nominee is chosen...remember?

[NNN0LHI]

4. I don't really care for the word Deaniacs

Is anyone else offended by it? Whats the matter with the words Dean supporters? Maybe I am wrong here?

Don

[pinkpops]

6. We really shouldn't be

calling each other names. Save that for the bad guys.

[wndycty]

8. Well considering the site was designed by a former Dean supporter. . .

. . .that may be how he or she identified his or herself at the time.

[RetroLounge]

58. Yeah, just like the former Dems who are now Repugs

another RW tactic being used.

With such a huge migration away from Dean, it amazes me that his poll numbers are climbing...

What a guy, that Dean.

[wndycty]

60. You calling us repugs?

:kick:

[RetroLounge]

75. No. I don't know you from Shinola.

Just saying many people in DU seem to mimic their tactics.

If the shoe fits, it's your choice to wear it or not.

[wndycty]

82. I think I was just called. . .

Shit and as usual I get criticized when I compare supporters of a certain candidate to cult members. I will be condemned you will be celebrated. No problem I can take it, my skin is pretty thick but the double standard is appalling.

[RetroLounge]

95. Sorry, it was just a phrase that came to mind.

I will change it.

No intentional comparison to poop...

on edit: The software won't let me edit it.

How about, "I don't know you from Adam..."

[wndycty]

98. There is still the issue of

"Just saying many people in DU seem to mimic their (Repugs) tactics."

So don't worry about the retraction, you stated your case and I'll just take it. I throw a lot of shit around so I am not going to cry about, I just want to be clear that I am not the only one who has played the name calling game. No problem here, just don't get upset when it comes back at ya. I am a big boy, I can take it. . .can you?

[Myra]

81. Do you trust the media? The powers that be? If not, why trust polls?

Do you think polls are an oasis of purity and truth in a dessert
of corruption and lies?

Who prepares these polls?

[Lefta Dissenter]

15. I call ya'll "Deanies"

which parallels "Clarkies," which I use, as well.

But some sensitive people might be offended because "Deanies" rhymes with "Meanies." :)

Now, the Kucinich supporters are harder to name... I have been known to say "Kucinichites," but that's sort of a mouthful. There are "Braunies," of course, well, the list could go on and on.

I don't think too much should be read into the names. We all get into a bit of shorthand online, as we get lazy with our typing, and also, I think sometimes it adds a bit more of a casual tone to the conversation, more like we were talking in person.

Just my ever-so-humble opinion, of course...

Now, back to that website - guess I'll go check it out!

[NNN0LHI]

17. I would rather be called undecided. Because I am. Thanks n/t

[deminflorida]

36. Both of those terms are better than.....

Democrat Party, which really irks my ass.....

[eyesroll]

51. I've heard "Menaces for Dennis," by both supporters and detractors

I have no problems being called a Deanie, a Deanite, a Howard-Powered Person (actually, that one's kind of cheesy, but still).

As long as you're not calling me a cult member, it's cool. I agree that sometimes, shorthand is useful, and these words only become hateful if we decide to make them so.

[knight_of_the_star]

72. That's a new one!

I've heard the other two, but never "Howard-Powered Person." I personally have been called a Clarkie, a Clark Bar (that one didn't last too long, chocolate has a short shelf life you know), and a Clarkista (That one just sounds cool to me). I've no issue with any of them. I actually think most of the nicknames people come up with on here are rather fun. Just to be curious, what is the name for Lieberman's people? The Liebermen?

[no name no slogan]

68. Actually, the word is "Kucitizens"

if you want to get all "technical" about it. ;-)

I agree, Kucinichites IS a mouthful. As is the name Kucinich. Which is part of the reason he often uses "just vote Dennis" to keep things simple.

Or if you prefer a "hipper" edge, feel free to use "The Kooch", too.

Kucinich......it rhymes with "spinach". :D

[ExDeaniacForClark]

66. ex-deansupportersforclark.com was taken

just kidding--i actually did a poll on DailyKos (where the most rabid Dean supporters post), and Deaniacs got the most votes. Deanies was on option but didn't win, iirc.

[ExDeaniacForClark]

71. i should add...

...that i didn't choose "dean supporters" for two reasons:

1. it's not a unique to dean supporters (i.e. clark supporters can also be used)

2. it's longer and less interesting/unique than "deaniacs"

i should note that "deaniacs" is a term used by dean supporters as well. it isn't meant as a slam to dean supporters (although i'm sure some will take it that way)--think of it as "parrot-heads," or something. :) hopefully the content of the site will help illustrate the desired tone.

[maddezmom]

7. website?

only get the cartoon when I click on the link.

[DemExpat]

9. Click on the cartoon...

DemEx

[maddezmom]

10. thanks n/t

[pistoff democrat]

14. Oh, may I please add

that, while I love all of the mods, you are my favorite...heh heh heh. :silly:

[CWebster]

13. Today's pitch?

Seems like Clark's troops have to forever labor to steal Dean's thunder and create the illusion that there is a mass exodus to the General's campaign.

Why is that, do you suppose, that the mission more often seems to be to tear down Dean rather than support Clark?

"Deaniacs" is a dead-giveaway, since it is more likely a term used against Dean supporters than by Dean supporters.

[pistoff democrat]

16. I think it's a fight to the finish.

It's going to be Dean or Clark, IMO.

Dean has the democrats, but Clark will take the White House.

Perhaps sad to you...but think about who votes. The prize is getting BushCo outtahere!!!

[wndycty]

23. Exactly

:kick:

[CWebster]

28. Well I vote

and it is more than obvious that the Clark forces are salivating for the Dean base of support so I guess my vote is what you want. Right?

[pistoff democrat]

39. I think this is being misunderstood ... which is

understandable.

I've voted for a long time.

The person I prefer almost never wins.

The stakes are too high in 2004 to be guided by emotion.

IMHO, Clark will be able to win the general election and Dean will not.

It's simple pragmatics for me because of the overriding need to get Bush out before it's too late:
:nuke:

[littlejoe]

79. "But, I've got the crystal ball," he said and held it to the light.

[Justice]

24. Not True - Dean Supporters Are Also On A Mission

I was on another post this morning which was a pro Clark post - with 142 responses - about 30 of which (at least) were by supporters of Dean and other candidates who were there simply to throw insults.

I was on a pro Dean thread and did not post anything simply because I don't want to play that game.

I often see your posts on proClark threads - you are there just to bash Clark.

I'd like people to stop it - so yes, you stop it right here and right now.

[CWebster]

30. Yes I know

a critical word or inquiry about actual policies of the General is a crime against all that is pure and holy.

[wndycty]

31. Go right ahead. . .

:kick:

[Justice]

32. Ahhh

the bashing begins.

[CWebster]

34. Nice try nt

[retyred]

26. Why is that, do you suppose?

I don't know! But I'll ask the two dean volunteers at the dean table during the Fla. convention that asked to volunteer for Clark right after Clarks speech.

A better question might be "Why the jump from dean to Clark, but little mention of a jump from Clark to dean?"



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[PatGund]

63. I dunno....

I could always ask my "Deanie" friends who have already said they would have no problems voting for Clark.

It seems only here have I seen Dean supporters that dislike Clark to the point to saying they won't vote for him. All the Dean supporters I know like Clark as well.

Personally, if that's what it took to get Shrub out of the WH, I'd hold my nose and vote for Liberman - who I really really dislike.

[HFishbine]

45. Mass Exodous

Here's your mass exodus:

12/8
------

Howard Dean: 22%
Wes Clark: 12%

10/27
------

Howard Dean: 13%
Wes Clark: 17%

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

[wndycty]

46. Did anyone say anything about a mass exodus?

:kick:

[Toronto Ron]

47. Still only 22%...

Assuming that Clark and Dean are the last two standing, who do you think will garner most of the supporters of Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt, Edwards?

[pistoff democrat]

48. excuse me for putting in another 2 cents, but

I think that will depend on whether we want to win the general election or not!

Clark/Edwards would be very appealing to me.

[oasis]

69. A "Hillary proof" ticket would be Kerry/Edwards or Clark/Edwards.

[MoonRiver]

53. Why is that?

Because so many of we Clarkie ex Deanie folks went down that route.
:think:

[jpgpenn]

73. the question is...

why do you wonder about such stuff? are you worried about that happening? If so, why?

your posts cries out more of worry then anything.

[wndycty]

18. The debunker page is awesome

http://www.ex-deaniacsforclark.com/MainPage.htm

[returnable]

42. Kick

:kick:

[deminflorida]

44. Just showed to a hard core Republican here a work, although...

she looked at it with a look of dread on her face, she stated it was one of the cutiest web sites she's seen so far.

Brilliant...

Dean will have to move on that Tax Stance if he wants to stay in this.

[wndycty]

56. Excellent News

:kick:

[VermontDem2004]

19. Where is the Ex-Clarkettes For Dean website?

:shrug:

[wndycty]

20. You are more than welcome to start one. . .

. . . however you do not need my permission. All is fair in love and politics and you will get no argument from me.

[mzmolly]

78. here...

www.switchtodean.com

And given Dean's rise and Clarks fall in the polls, I'm not so sure we need a website.

http://pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

[quinnox]

21. A well done site

Not a Clarkie, but it looks like an interesting site for Dean supporters to check out.

[Walt Starr]

22. Poop

:hurts:

[pistoff democrat]

29. Potty Mouth!

O8)

:hi:

[imax2268]

33. let's just

make the rift between the two candidate supports even bigger shall we...

good grief...

JMHO...

[pistoff democrat]

37. Please see message 22.

:grouphug:

[davsand]

49. Why all the vitriol from either camp?

I'm not being snarky here--but why so much open ANGER from the camps? I just don't get it...

My husband and I are both Dems and we don't always agree on candidates in primaries. We talk about it--we debate it--but there is none of this outright ANGER I see here and everyplace else here at DU. In this race we are not 100% in sync either--but we sure haven't torn at each other.

I realize that for many folks the 2000 selection was a wake up call--and this iS the first real national election they have been involved in--but I'm marveling at the incivility. Take it from one who's been thru a few of these things, it does pass, and if you are a real politcal hack, you learn to roll with it.

As for the website, if Clark's camp truly views Dean as the closest competition, I am not shocked that, as a strategy, they would look at erodong support for Dean. The same needs to be said about Dean's approach to Clark and his supporters. This website may prove to be an effective tool, given the fact that Dean has done so well at organizing online. Essentially, you are taking to him in his house.

Every election is about getting YOUR message out, nothing more. Anything other than that is a waste of campaign funds and energy. I'd urge all of us to consider that before we hit that Post Message button.

Laura

[salin]

54. echo that!

can promote and raise questions without throwing (or trying to entice) vitriol. The latter methods harm us all in the long run.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

59. seems that both camps are out to finish off the Democratic party

No need to fear Nader.

[Larkspur]

50. Another sign that Clark can't pull his own weight and has to rely

on Dean doing the hard work.

Go ahead and suffer your delusions of grandeur, but Clark isn't cut out to be President, let alone the Democratic nominee.

[pistoff democrat]

57. No, I respectfully disagree.

Someone thought up a cute idea.

I know of people who started out supporting one candidate and have now changed.

If your candidate is Dean, start a "All you who are now enlightened enough to support Dean" website...or title it to your own taste...

My goodness, it's not about 'delusions of grandeur'...it's about a democratic win in 2004.

Recall that Dubya isn't cut out to be president, but he is; so, just fight for your man...or Carol!!!

:hi:

:kick:

[wndycty]

108. I am sure most Clark supporters . . .

. . .are not afraid of Dean supporters (or supporters of any other candidate) to start a similar site. Just remember how factual this site is, its not libel or slander. . .keep that in mind if you start one.

[psychopomp]

61. There is a link back to DU in the Testimonials

It's to a GD thread started by David Zephyr:
This Deanie Asks: Could Wesley Clark Be the Dems Answer to Ronald Reagan?

[wndycty]

64. Kick

:kick:

[ExDeaniacForClark]

65. from the ex-deaniacsforclark.com webmaster:

thanks pistoff democrat! i tried to do it myself, but it kept asking for a post quota (love that word).

to all the dean supporters here:
i hope you will take a look at the site i created with other "exdeaniacs" and see the content for what it is: pro-clark, and not anti-dean. i still very much like dean and will support him with all my heart if he wins the nomination, but clark has impressed me like no other candidate, and i simply can't initially support someone whom i trust less to help our troops get out of iraq with dignity and success.

to all the clark supporters here:
please use and distribute this resource freely. the "Debunker" section should be particularly interesting to you, as should the "common ground" and "clark essentials" sections. clark has a lot to offer those who like dean, and we should never allow our dialogues to become nasty or overshadow our shared goal: ousting george w. bush from the white house. i'm definitely guilty of getting too caught up in discussions and apologize in advance for the heated arguments i'm sure to have with the members of DU, but in the end i feel it is better to stick your neck out and risk getting your head cut off than to hide your values and opinions in the hopes that you won't offend anyone.

to the rest of the democrats here:
you rock. as long as there's a candidate who is true to our party's values, let's always do our best to unify behind s/he and help america become better with each generation. this is the party that can achieve this greatness, and we will.

thank you for reading!

-josh
[e-mail]

(i'll post this officially when i meet my quota :)

[wndycty]

67. Thanks

For your post and your hard work.

[ExDeaniacForClark]

70. it's...

...the least i could do for a candidate as great as clark. i look foward to working for whomever gets the nomination--this is a fight we will win.

and make that him/her ;)

[ResistTheCoup]

80. Thanks for a great idea and a great site!

I think the idea and the website are both outstanding.

I'm a former "Deanie" (never was quite a 'Deaniac') who's now for Clark. Can I post a testimonial on the site as well?

Thanks again!

:yourock:

:loveya:

[ExDeaniacForClark]

89. thanks for reading!

and for distributing that icon. :)

please send your testimonial (doesn't matter how rabidly you were for dean), name, and city/state to webmaster @ ex-deaniacsforclark.com

[Donna Zen]

76. Love the debunker page

also, check your email.

DZ

[BootinUp]

74. Hey I check out your site

yesterday. Very professional and you picked a great candidate to support. I especially liked the main graphic of the relay race. It conveys a message *i think*. Nice job.

[ExDeaniacForClark]

90. thanks!

[Pastiche423]

84. This thread ain't nothin but poop

This shows just how desperate the clarkites are.

All one needs to do, is to look at the Meet Up member numbers:

Dean: 156,200

clark: 49,700

Dean's number keep rising, while clark's keep falling.

Nice try, but fortunately, reality intercedes.

[wndycty]

85. Thats for keeping the "poop" kicked

:kick:

[Ksec]

86. The honorable thing to do for Dean would be to bow out gracefully

I think Dean is a good man. I know hes got a good heart. This is why I feel that Dean would be doing a great thing for the good of al Democrats to bow out and let Clark do what needs doing. Winning the Presidency from the evil Geoge Bush. We all know he will be the one who can win and as much as it pains me Dean will get creamed in a race with the evil chimp.

[BootinUp]

87. *duck*

might be a bit soon to call for that?

[Pastiche423]

88. Dean bow out now

when he is miles ahead of everyone?

Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute.

[Walt Starr]

97. I've seen the ABDers on these board, well now, I'm NBD

NOBODY BUT DEAN

They wanted a fucking civil war, they've got one.

[wndycty]

107. So this mean you will only vote for Dean?

Are you a Democrat or a Deanocrat?

[Walt Starr]

91. After today, I refuse to vote for Clark if he is nominated

Same goes for any other candidate. Dean or nobody. As far as I'm concerned, all candidates are responsible for this shit:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/12/politics2015EST0748.DTL

[ExDeaniacForClark]

92. that's like blaming the iraqis for 9/11

[Name removed]

93. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Walt Starr]

94. Guilty until they profess their innocence

A denouncement is the only way I'll reconsider Clark.

[wndycty]

96. So are you Democrat or Deanocrat?

I am a Democrat not a Clarkocrat.

[Walt Starr]

99. As of now, I am a Deanocrat

If I hear some denouncements of this ad, that will change.

[wndycty]

101. You have the power. . .

. . .and I expect you to denounce in advance (if necessary) anything that may come from the Dean camp.

[BootinUp]

100. Walt

I admire your position against negative stuff. But I do not see any justification for that statement.

good luck to whichever candidate you support.

[HoosierClarkie]

102. All candidates...including Dean!

DEAN: Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman, Edwards and Wes Clark at first, all of us were in favor of this resolution that was a preemptive unilateral attacks on Iraq. I was not. We all had information from the papers. They presumably had some intelligence information, with the exception of Wes, who may have had some or not. He was out of the government by them. I came to a different conclusion because a lot of what is required of a president for foreign policy is judgment and patience. If I came to a different conclusion than they did, given the amount of trouble we’re now in Iraq, given the fact that al Qaeda is in Iraq now and it wasn’t there before, it seems to me that their kind of foreign policy experience is not the kind we want in the White House and mine is.

This is a BIG misleading statement about the other candidates. Everyone knows that GW lied about the WMD and the immediate threat. This is not a fair statement about the other candidates.(except Joe)


http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3607127&p1=01%7C%7C%7C%7C002

[wndycty]

103. Good post Sarah!

:kick:

[mzmolly]

109. No Dean was for limiting the agenda to disarming Iraq

which could have been accomplished via inspections.

[Tom Rinaldo]

110. It's a quality site.

Just went there. No mud slinging allowed, just an honest and thoughtful pro Clark perspective and great debunking tools to use against Clark's critics. There are a lot of us who were drawn to Dean first for the many admirable things he offered, then switched to Clark for the many admirable things he offers PLUS his broader (IMHO) voter appeal. The thing is, I personally came to believe that Clark is also more progresssive on whole, which was a surprise plus in my book. And he has the experience to positively engage European and World leaders immediately upon taking office. The mess in Iraq doesn't look like it's going to clear up anytme soon.

[wndycty]

111. Great post Tom

:kick: