Preemptive Arrest

[ThomWV]

Porter Gross, Republican Representative from Florida, just said on C-span that he can see the day when an domestic intelligence force in the US would have to have the power to make preemptive arrests.

That's what its comming to folks ... preemptive Arrest

[pistoff democrat]

1. You see, they have these

implants and they are all hooked up to a mainframe. If your implant registers thoughts against the government...wait a minute...I read this...BACK TO 1984! :mad: :argh:

...another reason to get BushCo OUT in 2004...

[HFishbine]

2. It's already starting

That's why I wish Clark supporters wouldn't be so dismissive of his lobbying for Acxiom. The company wants to help the government start a surveillence database that would profile travlers. Fit a profile and you're detained. It's no small matter.

[mmonk]

4. If you show where he supports

that type of surveilence (for pre-emptive arrests), I'll gladly forward questions.

[eileen_d]

5. It's a valid point, but why not work against Acxiom?

Or ask Clark himself about it? Supporting Clark does not equate with supporting the kind of profiling you are talking about.

[HFishbine]

8. mmonk & eileen

Thanks for your your suggestions. I've posed this question to Clark on a couple of online chats, but you know how those things are, one question in a hundred gets answered.

Here's an article about it. Please udnerstand, I'm not a Clark hater. I'm a Dean supporter who sees Clark's appeal, but this is one issue that I'd like to see some clarification on from Clark. I'm less concerned about his lobbying than what he was lobbying for. I would pose the question like this:

"You have said you would review the USA Patriot Act to assure that our civil liberties will not be infringed. However, you also lobbied for Acxiom to establish what would be unprecedented survellience dossiers on the traveling public. The notion of the government, or a corporate agent working for the government, maintainting such a database strikes me as the worst of big brother. Further, it also relies on detaining people without probable cause. If you are elected, can you tell me what your policy would be towards this type of surveillence and the resulting pre-emptive detention based on profiling?"

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Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark helped an Arkansas information company win a contract to assist development of an airline passenger screening system, one of the largest surveillance programs ever devised by the government.

Starting just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Clark sought out dozens of government and industry officials on behalf of Acxiom Corp., a data powerhouse that maintains names, addresses and a wide array of personal details about nearly every adult in the United States and their households, according to interviews and documents.

Clark, a Democrat who declared himself a presidential candidate 10 days ago, joined Acxiom's board of directors in December 2001. He earned $300,000 from Acxiom last year and was set to receive $150,000, plus potential commissions, this year, according to financial disclosure records. He owns several thousand shares of Acxiom stock worth more than $67,000.

Clark's consulting role at Acxiom puts him near the center of a national debate over expanded government authority to use personal data and surveillance technology to fight the war on terrorism and protect homeland security.

more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7380-2003Sep26?language=printer

[mmonk]

10. Thanks much

I will do my best to acquire an answer. I still want to know how you want to phrase the question. Do you want it phrased as, "do you support surveilance of travelers and possible detention for preemptive arrest?" Tell me exactly the info you want to know for me to ask. No repeat of lobbying history or commission sales rates or such and I'll do it.

[HFishbine]

11. See my third paragraph

The lobbying history is a necessary part of the question because what I'm looking for is a reconciliation between his activity to advance such survellience with Acxiom and his stated objectives with the Patriot Act.

If he just said, "yeah, I'm against that kind of surveillence," then I'd still be left with the question of words versus actions.

I really appreciate you trying to get an answer for me. If you do, it deserves its own thread.

[mmonk]

12. Thanks

[mmonk]

7. I'm serious

Propose how you would like me to ask the question. May as well put it to rest one way or the other.

[spindoctor]

3. I need a couple of sticks of dyne-o-mite

So I can start working on my pre-emptive jail-break.

[goodhue]

minority report n/t

[ikojo]

6. This happened in St Louis, MO this past May

There were protests planned around the World Ag Forum, which is a pro biotech conference sponsored in part by Monsanto.

The St Louis police were advised by a private security agency that there were 50,000 Seattle anarchists headed to our fair city. Businesses downtown sent e mails to their employees advising them that the protestors did not like those who drove large vehicles, specifically SUVs. Some businesses boarded up their street level windows in anticipation of these 50,000 Seattle anarchists (I was in Seattle in 1999 and while there were anarchists present, there were not 50,000 of them).

St Louis' finest arrested a traveling bicycle circus for bicycling in the city without a bike permit. FYI: An old law forbidding bicycling without a permit had been removed from the books two years ago but my guess is that the cop making the arrest was pulling at strings just to lock up people with dreadlocks.

Houses where some of the protestors were staying were raided on Friday, May 16.

Pre emptive arrests are not a POSSIBILITY it is a REALITY here in George Bush's America. OH it should be noted that the City of St Louis is a one party town...the DEMOCRATIC party.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Didn't I see this movie

and wasn't Tom Cruise in it?

But really, they just had a preemptive fucking war. Why stop there?