Let me make myself clear about Dean and Gore...

[wyldwolf]

...if Gore likes him, regardless of whether there are ulterior motives or not, Dean's stock rises with me. I have that much respect for Al Gore. I'll take his word for it.

[Democrats unite]

1. & please let me make myself perfectly clear

I had once worshiped the ground Gore walked on. But now with this silly stunt of his trying to look like a big man (which is something we could have used in 2000 with him, Remember?)

Please tell me the last National leader from any party to endorse a candidate before the primaries?

This stinks to high heaven, and Gore has lost all credibility with me!

[Jerseycoa]

2. I'm with you, pal

:mad:


:dem:

[Skwmom]

8. Me too. e/o/m

[library_max]

21. Oh, heck, I read your username and thought it was your post heading.

What a bitter disappointment.

[MoonRiver]

28. I totally agree.

I wonder if he's trying to play God by annointing Dean, like the Supremeos did when they selected *. In some odd way he might feel it's "payback".

[slinkerwink]

3. thank you, and he was the legal president of the united states and should

be treated as such in our own party.

[wyldwolf]

4. My only reservation is...

..not with the endorsement but how it is being treated.

All the DLC-haters on the board would be howling had he endorsed anyone else.

But now a leading DLC democrat joins with Dean and it is treated as a wonderous thing.

Not a bash on Dean - who has never claimed to be anything less than a centrist - but a comment on some supporters who last week would cry about DLC/GOP similarities but now embrace Dean's embrace of a top DLC'er.

[slinkerwink]

5. my point is that Gore was kicked out of the DLC and Al From's letter

totally bashed Dean and Gore.

[wyldwolf]

6. I must have missed the memo of Gore being kicked out of the DLC...

[SahaleArm]

14. He wasn't - It's justification to make Al seem like an outsider

He's not.

[wyldwolf]

15. That is my point. Doesn't this taint Dean with DLC cooties?

...I mean, I'm a moderate - close to a DLC'er (I like Clinton) so I'm infected with DLC cooties myself.

Looks like Dean is again, too.

Not a bad thing, though.

We should just be honest about it.

[Nazgul35]

27. It's all about knowing which way the wind's blowing..

It isn't Dean coming to the DLC....it's the DLC reading the writing on the wall and coming to Dean...

Are you surprised?! They've surrendered to the repugs....now they are surrendering to the grass roots....and we should all be happy...our party has grown its balls back!!!

[Eloriel]

29. Proof that Gore is currently DLC?

He's been basically divorced from them since -- well, since at least the 2000 selection he has been moving away from the DLC. Months ago he refused to attend an impt DLC event where Hillary spoke. I know of nothing that ties him to the DLC currently, or in months, else I'd consider the Gore endorsement the kiss of death for "my" candidate.

[Democrats unite]

7. If he was the legal President of the United States he would

be in The white House or we would be in a revolution. Surley you can come up with something better than that.

[slinkerwink]

9. the SCOTUS handed the election to Bush

how's that for bypassing the popular vote? Also, 20,000 African Americans in Florida were disenfranchised.

[wyldwolf]

11. Sure, you're right, but...

... let's move into the "hated" DLC and Dean being the anti-DLC candite realm. Why an embrace of Gore? A week ago, he was everything some Dean supporters are against.

Gore hasn't changed his policy believes. Does this not taint Dean with the "dreaded" DLC cooties?

[GalleryGod]

33. Sell Me On the GUV'Ner & GUNS. The Time is Yours...

My wife and I are middle-middle class, but, that hasn't stopped us from giving over $3,000 to the Brady's and we have marched 5 times to Trenton, the State Capitol, against GUNS and specifically the N.R.A.

We've helped stomp the living shit out of the NRA in New Jersey...So SELL & TELL me about DEAN & THE N.R. friggin' A.
Hold on....I got to get a bucket:puke:

[Democrats unite]

12. Still does not answer my question?

If Gore is the Legal President of the United States and is not sitting in the White House, we would be in a revolution. As bad as it is, we were screwed, but we were screwed legally. Get over it and move on. Trying to 2nd guess what should have happpened in 2000 is not doing anybody anygood for 2004.

[library_max]

23. No we weren't screwed legally.

Bush v. Gore was decided with willful disregard for the law. Bush had no legal standing to bring a discrimination case (equal protection clause = discriminiation). To do that, you have to be a person in the class allegedly discriminated against, and Bush was not a Florida voter of any kind. And no standing = no case.

Also, if the equal protection argument in Bush v. Gore was legally valid, the whole electoral system of the U.S., with different procedures and rules for every precinct, district, and state, would have to be turned upside-down. The majority knew it, which is why they explicitly said that the interpretation was not a precedent - but then, that means it also isn't legally valid.

Finally, even if you do accept the equal protection argument, the remedy (as Breyer and Souter argued) is to send it back to the Florida Supreme Court and require them to establish a uniform standard. The reason the FSC didn't is because no such standard appears in Florida statutory law, which SCOTUS had earlier required to be the one and only relevant body of law for Article 2 reasons.

Short of armed revolution, which is a silly idea, there wasn't anything more Gore or the rest of us could have done about it. But that DOESN'T make it legal!

[retyred]

20. I know.....

Lets assign Al to find a VP candidate for dean, then like Cheney, Al can say the only one qualified is me, then if dean wins, he can resign for....um, medical reasons, yea that's it, then Al can take his rightful place on the thrown....wouldn't that be special?

The man conceeded not once, but twice, admitted he lost, said it was time to move on....doesn't sound like something a winner or someone that thought they had won would say.

Like it or not, history will record bush the winner of 2000, isn't it time we stop making excuses for Al and focus on beating bush with what we have and not what we had?



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[Lars39]

16. Gore knew there would be blood in the streets if he agreed to let people

be bussed down to FL to help. He didn't want there to be violence.

[Democrats unite]

18. Then maybe thats the reason he's not President

And in my opinion a good one.

[Lars39]

22. How well do you think he would be portrayed right now if he had let

people do violence in his name in order for him to be in office? Only a psychopath would want to gain office illegally and unethically, and we've got the chimp to prove it.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. He's not the president - he conceded

If he hadn't conceded, you would have a point. Gore conceded, so he's not president. He should be - he won the election in Florida, but he chose to give it up. Sad but true.

[library_max]

24. A speech doesn't change the law.

Show me in the Constitution where it says that a candidate legally elected to the presidency isn't the president if he concedes.

[littlejoe]

26. I'm not quite sure where you get your facts from.

I do hope it isn't from an Oliver Stone movie.

[Padraig18]

10. Thank you!

:hi:

[wyldwolf]

13. Well, it was more of an endorsement of Gore than Dean...

..but you're welcome.

[Padraig18]

17. It's still one of the most civil statements about Dean I've seen all day.

:hi:

[littlejoe]

25. Gore and Dean have very similar beliefs ,

concerning the direction of this country. I'm glad he endorsed Dean, and all of the crying about how unfair it was is sour grapes, nothing more.

[mzmolly]

30. Actually I learned Gore planned to endores 'somebody' all along...

He chose Dean. I respect your post wyldwolf..

[TexasSissy]

31. I'm not a cult member. I think for myself.

No one tells me who to vote for.

[CWebster]

32. "ulterior motives?"

couldn't but help but throw that in.

;-)