Dean will win nomination: thank Kerry, Gephardt, Clarkites and Lieberman

[jeter]

The reason Dean is getting all this attention is because those four candidates have made him the sole focus (or at least it seems) of their campaigns.

Kerry, "Dean, Dean, Dean."

Gephardt, "Dean, Dean, Dean."

Clark supporters, "Dean, Dean, Dean."

Lieberman, "Dean, Dean, Dean."


So not surprising, while all four of these candidates try to get some traction outside their home states (in the case of John F. Kerry, in his home state), the one who has traction nationwide is:

Dean, Dean, Dean.

Discuss.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. Your Post Is Inaccurate

Clark has consistently taken the high road by attacking Bush and demurring when reporters beg him to attack Dean.

DTH

[Schmendrick54]

11. I am going to have to agree with you, DTH.

I have witnessed exactly what you are talking about -- Wolf Blitzer was trying every which way to get General Clark to say Howard Dean was not qualified, and he refused to take the bait. He scored a lot of points with me that day, and would have regardless of which candidate Wolf was referring to.

I cannot remember an instance where Clark has tried to steer attention (negative or otherwise) toward Dean. It may have happened, but I have not seen it.

Regards,
Schmendrick

[Cooley Hurd]

12. That's correct - Wes has consistently taken the high road...

...in regards to Howard Dean, and that's why I admire and respect him. However, some of his supporters (as well as some Dean supporters) seem to lack the same humility. It's a shame that two such honorable men are represented by supporters who fail to reflect their demeanor...

Anyhow, ABB!!! :hi:

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. If a car engine could run on hatred of Dean......

....there's one Clark supporter here who could open his own filling station. I have no problems with the General myself. I think he'll make a great Vice President :-)

[Julien Sorel]

28. I'm confused.

That's correct - Wes has consistently taken the high road..."

...in regards to Howard Dean, and that's why I admire and respect him.

But how can you admire and respect Howard Dean, since he's consistently taken the low road with the other candidates?

[KaraokeKarlton]

31. I didn't approve of Dean making the ONE comment he has about Clark

But for you to say that Dean is attacking everyone is flat out false. Dean has been defending himself from the attacks of others. He didn't go around saying "Kerry is Bush Lite" or "Gephardt is Bush Lite", etc. He made an in general comment and there was nothing wrong with that.

[Julien Sorel]

32. Nonsense.

He didn't go around saying "Kerry is Bush Lite" or "Gephardt is Bush Lite", etc. He made an in general comment and there was nothing wrong with that.

He, and everyone else, knows exactly whom he was talking about. I saw his speech to the California Democratic Party, where he says something like, 'I'm not here to attack John Kerry or Dick Gephardt or Joe Lieberman. But what I want to know is, how can you vote with the president 85% of the time and still call yourself a Democrat.' This was during his whole 'Bush-lite' phase. Sorry, it isn't possible for a rational person to not know what he was saying. Ditto with his 'cockroaches' bullshit, and his constant rants and labeling his opponents 'Washington insiders,' all the while he's desperately courting those same Washington insider cockroaches. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but he's the biggest lying hypocrite I've ever seen come through the Democratic ranks, and he has been the biggest Democrat basher in this election cycle.

[HoosierClarkie]

50. Or this one?

DEAN: Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman, Edwards and Wes Clark at first, all of us were in favor of this resolution that was a preemptive unilateral attacks on Iraq. I was not. We all had information from the papers. They presumably had some intelligence information, with the exception of Wes, who may have had some or not. He was out of the government by them. I came to a different conclusion because a lot of what is required of a president for foreign policy is judgment and patience. If I came to a different conclusion than they did, given the amount of trouble we’re now in Iraq, given the fact that al Qaeda is in Iraq now and it wasn’t there before, it seems to me that their kind of foreign policy experience is not the kind we want in the White House and mine is.

This is a BIG misleading statement about the other candidates. Everyone knows that GW lied about the WMD and the immediate threat. This is not a fair statement about the other candidates.(except Joe)

[Scott Lee]

35. jeter said "Clark SUPPORTERS", not Wes Clark himself

So I guess he's accurate after all.

[eileen_d]

37. The original post said "Clark"

not Clark supporters. Just keeping the facts straight.

[SahaleArm]

38. The same can be said about supporters of other candidates including Dean

Lieberman supporters are the exception, they don't exist.

[Spirochete]

42. He said Clark supporters

not Clark himself. Clark is a class act, and hasn't slammed anyone except Bush. It's (some of) his supporters that are attacking Dean.
Since they seem to be running neck and neck for the nomination, that's going to happen, I suppose.

[JNelson6563]

44. I suspect that's why

while Kerry and Gephardt were listed seperately, when it came to Clark it was "Clark supporters". That is technically correct but it would be completely accurate if it were edited to read "some Clark supporters."

Julie

[jpgpenn]

2. Wrong!

Thank the Major Media and GOP, hell they are helping to fund his campaign. look at the real picture!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

3. Self-deleted

[eileen_d]

4. Could you post some examples

of where Clark has done the Dean, Dean, Dean thang? I don't think Clark's a saint, but I don't recall any specific statements or "attack ads" done by Clark that target Dean. Kerry and Gephardt I know about, and Lieberman just doesn't seem to like anybody.

[eileen_d]

14. That's some deafening silence

Survey says... bzzzt! on Clark

[jeter]

18. Check out this web site:

www.ex-deaniacsforclark.com

[eileen_d]

20. Did Clark make that web site?

Is he an "ex-Deaniac"?

I know there are a few Clark supporters who badmouth Dean a lot, but you claimed it was Clark himself, and you're still wrong.

Edit: Oh, I see you changed it to "Clark supporters." The thing is, some of the Clark supporters actually have a point, because they have an alternative.

[jeter]

24. Yes. Sure.

Alternative? Becoming a commentator on TV after he loses?

[eileen_d]

25. Do let me clarify that.

Clark supporters have a candidate who is an excellent alternative to Dean, because he has strengths in areas where Dean is weak.

That's why there are a lot of DUers who would like to see a ticket with both Dean and Clark on it. Their strengths and weaknesses as candidates complement each other.

Of course, if people would give Kerry a chance, they wouldn't have to combine two different candidates, but that's a whole other story...

[Scott Lee]

39. Kerry had his chance. He voted for war.

Funny thing about our choices. They have consequences.

[mmonk]

5. This shouldn't last long

[coralrf]

6. You know this not to be true...

and you may find it a bit hard to show your face around here in a few months. There is no reason to lie for Dean if he is all you say..think about it

[quinnox]

7. Clark hardly ever mentions Dean by name

the post is just plain wrong, on both counts.

[jeter]

16. Okay. Sorry about Clark.

But his supporters definitely do.

I stand by the others though.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

19. Well Yeah, But Supporters of ALL Candidates Have Been Jerks To Each Other

I sure am glad the civility framework has been adopted here, though! Hopefully it will cut down on some of it.

DTH

[killbotfactory]

8. Not Clark...

But the rest of them... yeah.

[Cocoa]

9. gloating

I'm going to be better than you, and say Go Dean! :toast:

[Democrats unite]

10. What a dream world some people live in

eom

[SeveneightyWhoa]

13. This is ridiculous.

Do some research before you make inflammatory threads.

[curse10]

22. thank you!

:-)

[bicentennial_baby]

15. You're wrong about Clark

Clark very rarely talks about Dean, even when reporters try to trick him into bashing. He always says somethiing like, "I'm not concerned with Dean, but I'd love to tell you what President Bush is doing wrong"

[rickin]

21. Who's the real deal?

Maybe it's also because howard dean lies and gets away with it. First he was for the war, and then adamantly against it. Which one is it, Dr. Dean?

And it's also funny that a trained physcian can fail a medical test to dodge the draft, and then be skiing the next week.

Kerry or Clark in '04

[maddezmom]

23. original poster changed Clark to Clarkites.....

so now I suppose the premise is correct. NOT

[mmonk]

26. Oh the irony

A flame thread accusing Clark supporters and other candidates of flaming.

[maddezmom]

27. in a twisted way

it's kind of amusing. :)

[DancingBear]

29. Don't be so hard on jeter

He is just trying to shift focus away from the fact that we are finally seeing some folks do a little critical research on the good doctors positions, and finding out that they tend to be, oh, how shall we say, fluid.

Nothing wrong with doing a little digging - makes us all stronger in the end.

[Julien Sorel]

30. And when Dean was attacking the other candidates,

and still attacks the other candidates, and when I could log in here and see at least half the threads were Deanites attacking Clark?

Oh, that was different. It's always different when it comes to Dean. :eyes:

[Bucky]

34. Dean doesn't attack other candidates

He only draws valid, nuanced distinctions between his positions and those of the spineless, unelectable sell-outs who--every single one of them--supported the war against Iraq and are afraid to stand up to Bush.

Let's see if people can figure out that this is sarcasm from a Clark supporter

[eileen_d]

36. Those must be expensive rose-colored glasses.

When Kerry criticizes Dean, it's an attack... when Dean berates paints Democratic senators with the "bush-lite" brush, he "draws valid, nuanced distinctions." ROFLMAO

[no name no slogan]

46. Keyword here being "nuanced", as there's little real difference

Dean isn't a whole lot different from those "sellouts", as you labeled them. Dean still supported the possibility of unilateral pre-emptive "intervention" in Iraq even if we couldn't cajole the UN into supporting it.

Dean's record as governor leaves no doubt that on the issues, he's little different from those his supporters have labeled as "Repub-lite". He's overly corporate-friendly, polluter-friendly, and has shown that he's willing to balance the budget on the backs of those least able to afford it.

Dean made two smart moves, which have catapulted him to the front of the pack: he stole Paul Wellstone's line about being "from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party", and took a gamble on "opposing" the war, which payed off handsomely.

But scratch the surface, and you'll see that Howard Dean is no different from the DLCist corporate apologists who have taken this party rightward. Do not doubt for a second that Dean will not do the same thing.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. bwah-ha-ha What do you call that cockroaches comment for starters

n/t

[dansolo]

33. Name recognition

It is well established that this early on the polls are more a reflection of name recognition. All the attacks have been doing is keeping Dean's name in the news a lot.

[TexasSissy]

40. Locked. Vanity post.

[maddezmom]

41. huh?

[mot78]

43. I don't agree entirely, but you're right

other candidates have been focusing on Dean and only Dean, and have, ironically enough, been trying to copying Dean in every way possible (with the exception of Clark, who's grassroots stems from Draft Clark originallity, not banal Kerry and Lieberman internet grassroots). If Kerry and Gephardt and Lieberman would stop obsessing so much with Dean, then maybe they could get more done, and at the same time, not give talking point to the Repugs.

[sleipnir]

45. A good point, I do agree, but this is only a small part of the issue.

of why Dean is getting so much attention. But you're right, those four groups only draw more attention to Dean and as the old saying goes, "There's no such thing as bad publicity"

Dean's a lock on the nod, but this type of behavior from the Candidates and their supporters (in the case of Mr. Clark) will only pave the road of inevitability.

[littlejoe]

47. Suits me just fine. A Big thank you

to all of the other candidates and supporters whose sole focus seems to be dean, dean, dean. All of you are making my job a lot easier. Again, thanks.

[mzmolly]

49. :)

:kick: